mphtrilogy
Footballguy
my non-ppr draft, he dropped quite a bit, was happy to grab him... let's go...
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Duke Johnson RB Dolphins (1 Viewer)
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az_prof
Footballguy
Week 1 is in the books and if you are like me you are ok with Duke's performance but not overwhelmed.
He about evenly split touches with Hyde, which is a disappointment. But he looked good in the passing game and was targeted fairly often. In terms of ppr fantasy points, he outperformed Hyde and provided a quality start, but not a difference making one.
Duke: 9 carries for 57 yards; 5 targets, 4 receptions and 33 yards: 13 fantasy points
Hyde: 10 carries for 83 yards; 1 target, 1 reception and 2 yards: 9.5 fantasy points
Hyde looked like the better runner and Duke the better receiver. But Duke did get almost half the carries, which is encouraging.
He about evenly split touches with Hyde, which is a disappointment. But he looked good in the passing game and was targeted fairly often. In terms of ppr fantasy points, he outperformed Hyde and provided a quality start, but not a difference making one.
Duke: 9 carries for 57 yards; 5 targets, 4 receptions and 33 yards: 13 fantasy points
Hyde: 10 carries for 83 yards; 1 target, 1 reception and 2 yards: 9.5 fantasy points
Hyde looked like the better runner and Duke the better receiver. But Duke did get almost half the carries, which is encouraging.
pinequick
Footballguy
If this is true (and I agree with your assessment), I'm curious how long the second half of that sentence will be the case?
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Absolute disaster...Hyde looks lithe and Duke looks like he's status quo to Cleveland in terms of a role but down the list of options
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Bad news for those hoping he'd be a #2 RB. Best case scenario at this point is a flex player in PPR leagues.
BINGBING
Footballguy
He LITERALLY just put up RB 2 numbers this week in PPR. What are we even talking about?
zoonation
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
Both guys just keep eating into each other's work, Hyde being the early down guy and presumably the goal line back.
az_prof
Footballguy
Yup. But Hyde is playing better than expected and this was a game where they were ahead. Guessing Hyde will be better in games like this and Duke in games that are passing shootouts.
Don Hutson
Footballguy
It wouldn't be surprising if the Texans traded for another running back. Or signed Ajayi. BOB wants so badly to win this year. He could possibly avoid being fired if they don't make the playoffs this year but he would limp into next year with zero power. And Nick Caserio would get credit for any turnaround that happens in 2020 or after. If BOB truly has general manager power it'll be hard to him to resist making a move.
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pinequick
Footballguy
He did? In my league (non-PPR, TD-heavy, 1 per 20 yds rushing/receiving) Hyde has had 4 points each week. Duke has had 3 points and 1 point. YMMV.az_prof said:
I suppose it's only "crowing" relative to the dire predictions that were bandied about for Hyde. To paraphrase Twain, it would appear that the reports of his death were an exaggeration.
Gopher State
Footballguy
New duke same as the old duke
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
pinequick
Footballguy
Happiness is relative.
When you spend nothing on a guy--because everybody else presumed that he would be out of the league by Week 3--and he looks like he is the bell cow in Houston's offense... that feels like good value, yeah.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
NFL fantasy football waiver wire: 6 adds and 4 drops for Week 4
I've always been puzzled why teams don't use this guy but their has to be some reason because they just don''t use him.
CowboysHomer
Footballguy
Todem
Footballguy
az_prof
Footballguy
I was ready to admit I was wrong about Duke in HOU and drop him because it looks like HOU just doesn't know how to use a receiving back. But this talk about Duke going to NYG sort of, maybe, makes sense. And in NY he could be valuable as a receiving back while Barkley is out.
Todem
Footballguy
Makes no sense for Houston. Not understanding their line of thinking. They really need a pass catching back....having two plodders like CJ and Hyde...both older and can easily break down at anytime.
They are a ship without a captain it seems. They need a GM fast. Miami fleeced them (glad they did of course) in the Tunsil/Stills deal.
pinequick
Footballguy
Really? Don't they have one?
If the QB simply refuses to check down, always scrambles and spins away and ends up throwing deep... do you really need a pass catching back? Dude has been there for almost 20% of their season and they haven't really utilized him yet. Not sure if that's the coach's scheme, or a QB who simply does not check down. And if the QB won't use him... why have him around?
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Really liked the Duke situation, even after Hyde was added, and yet I'm so glad that I went after the "talent" elsewhere and not the opportunity (and potential unknown talent) he had in Houston. Dont always do that, but Id be be infuriated at losing all those touches to a total JAG like Hyde.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
The condition of the pick is Duke being active 10 games (4th turns to 3rd). I certainly would think he will be active >10 games but it's certainly fair to question right now (even if extremely weird to sour on a guy so quick) given they really lack draft capital after the Tunsil deal and seeing 10 total touches last two weeks (2 catches)
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tombonneau
Footballguy
I'm holding simply because of the talent. Sooner or later he'll be in a Denver/Chicago situation and will thrive.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I assume active for the Texans for 10 games? Or would that still count if he were traded to another team.
The idea of Duke Johnson with Giants is exciting. I would like to see some team use him more. I think he is a good player.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Kind of reminds me of the Henry situation the last few years. With the exception that frustratingly Duke already produced for an entire season when he was the man. It's very odd. I wonder if there are coachability issues that we aren't hearing about that are limiting his usage. I mean he is a Hurricane after all ...
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Assume they'd just deactivate him and release in offseason. Not saying they'll do this at all. Again, it's puzzling to just change mindset on a guy that quick but they do have so little draft capital and incentive to keep a better pick.
Fair to wonder what his future is there. All his guaranteed money is up after this season. The guy is owed a lot of $$ for a RB next year ($4.1 mil) and the following year ($5.15 mil). Just can't imagine them paying that.
Really have to wonder why they even went out and acquired him to give him so little work.
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TZMarkie
Footballguy
This is pure speculation here..............
Let us all go back to the occasional reports of him being a "malcontent" in the Browns organization. The early words were he was "always yapping for a bigger share of work".
Then in the later Browns years he started #####ing when Chubb was brought in to be the clear workhorse, even though it took him a bit before he was truly the "go-to guy".
And, then again we heard of him #####ing and asking to be traded, and the rumors were he was becoming more and more vocal about it in the offseason, and he ultimately landed here.
Cue the LAMAR MILLER season ender injury. We hadn't heard much about Duke being vocal or anything, but then CARLOS HYDE was signed. Even then many here were stating Hyde was just a guy, average at best etc. etc.
Now look. The reports of how "Hyde looks great", "looks like a workman like back"..... (I'm paraphrasing here a bit, working from a foggy memory, but I do remember reports coming out about how they liked Hyde almost straight away)
Where does this leave Duke? In almost exactly the same scenario. He did in fact go from a "possible contender" of an organization to another "possible contender" in the Texans.
But yet again, he was likely promised a big (or bigg-ER role) role, only to see Hyde signed, and his role has pretty much evaporated into thin air.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I'm betting after the Hyde acquisition, he is #####ing yet again behind the scenes, and the Texans have soured on it. This certainly seems like a possible explanation.
Let's face it, many of us here have been high on Duke at times, and a number of posters here were on the "Free Duke Johnson" train when he was stuck in the bad end of a committee.
We as fantasy players, aren't always tuned in as to just how much of a locker room cancer some of these guys can be. Its possible he has been a nightmare to deal with behind the scenes, and we are only hearing bits and pieces of it.
Regardless of whether or not you agree, something is going on. He #####ed his way out of one organization, found a new home, and now his current role has vanished like Houdini.
It wouldn't surprise me if he is gone from the Texans soon, and almost certainly at the end of the season. The fact that the Texans are "working out other backs" is surprising, but in retrospect, I can see it.
If this guy never plays another down in the NFL after this season, I wouldn't be shocked. Is it likely? Probably not, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised.
TZM
Let us all go back to the occasional reports of him being a "malcontent" in the Browns organization. The early words were he was "always yapping for a bigger share of work".
Then in the later Browns years he started #####ing when Chubb was brought in to be the clear workhorse, even though it took him a bit before he was truly the "go-to guy".
And, then again we heard of him #####ing and asking to be traded, and the rumors were he was becoming more and more vocal about it in the offseason, and he ultimately landed here.
Cue the LAMAR MILLER season ender injury. We hadn't heard much about Duke being vocal or anything, but then CARLOS HYDE was signed. Even then many here were stating Hyde was just a guy, average at best etc. etc.
Now look. The reports of how "Hyde looks great", "looks like a workman like back"..... (I'm paraphrasing here a bit, working from a foggy memory, but I do remember reports coming out about how they liked Hyde almost straight away)
Where does this leave Duke? In almost exactly the same scenario. He did in fact go from a "possible contender" of an organization to another "possible contender" in the Texans.
But yet again, he was likely promised a big (or bigg-ER role) role, only to see Hyde signed, and his role has pretty much evaporated into thin air.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I'm betting after the Hyde acquisition, he is #####ing yet again behind the scenes, and the Texans have soured on it. This certainly seems like a possible explanation.
Let's face it, many of us here have been high on Duke at times, and a number of posters here were on the "Free Duke Johnson" train when he was stuck in the bad end of a committee.
We as fantasy players, aren't always tuned in as to just how much of a locker room cancer some of these guys can be. Its possible he has been a nightmare to deal with behind the scenes, and we are only hearing bits and pieces of it.
Regardless of whether or not you agree, something is going on. He #####ed his way out of one organization, found a new home, and now his current role has vanished like Houdini.
It wouldn't surprise me if he is gone from the Texans soon, and almost certainly at the end of the season. The fact that the Texans are "working out other backs" is surprising, but in retrospect, I can see it.
If this guy never plays another down in the NFL after this season, I wouldn't be shocked. Is it likely? Probably not, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised.
TZM
Godsbrother
Footballguy
That is quite a bit of supposition but I can't come up with a better explanation. I am just wondering how long I should waste a roster spot on him. Three weeks doesn't seem long enough but there are other guys on the WW I could roll the dice on too.
tombonneau
Footballguy
I'd cut him in redraft. Hold in dynasty.Godsbrother said:
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
Dynasty .. I just dealt him to the Hyde owner for Tyrell Williams
TZMarkie
Footballguy
tombonneau
Footballguy
az_prof
Footballguy
The flaw was thinking that HOU would start passing to the back more now that they have a very good receiving back. This is a downfield passing team and they just don't look to the back much.
Athletic QB's tend not to dump it off. That being said I was expecting a lot more from Duke. I thought this offense was going to be much more explosive. It's still early and I think Duke will become more fantasy relevant at some point. Hyde always starts off hot and then tanks. I they there will be better game scripts ahead as well.
