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Interesting half time talk here of the Chelsea game.

One of the desk jockeys is saying that the clubs are legally bound to the ESL contract they signed and have to figure out how to get out it.

I wonder if Florez tied financial penalties into it......

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9 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

Interesting half time talk here of the Chelsea game.

One of the desk jockeys is saying that the clubs are legally bound to the ESL contract they signed and have to figure out how to get out it.

I wonder if Florez tied financial penalties into it......

It's been reported today that Barcelona would not have to pay a fee should the club members vote it down (presumably the same would hold for Real Madrid).

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#LFC's official global timing partner Tribus end their partnership with the club in protest over ESL sign up. “Football belongs to the fans and unites us all. It was never intended to benefit the few.”

 

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2 hours ago, Capella said:

I mean, they shouldn’t have expanded the ACC either. If American fans were as passionate as the brits we wouldn’t have this crappy college football and hoops experience either. 
 

as for the 1.5 billion elsewhere, I doubt it’s wise business to openly antagonize your most loyal fans closest to your home base. They’re usually the ticket buyers. 

Ticket revenue <<<<< tv revenue

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LFC statement: LFC can confirm that our involvement in proposed plans to form a ESL has been discontinued. In recent days, the club received representations from various key stakeholders, both internally and externally, and we'd like to thank them for their valuable contributions

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I know its fashionable to root against Spurs - something about annoying Spurs fans on the board - but tomorrow, its worth the effort.

Ryan Mason - who has been with Spurs for 20 years - since he was 9 - will take charge of the club, as the youngest Manager in PL history (I think).

Mason had to retire from the game a few years ago after a brutal head collision in a game, and has been back at Spurs coaching the Academy players and U23s, and now will get to manage the team for the rest of the season - including an improbable League Cup final on Sunday.

Spurs have had a miserable season, and this last week has just heaped more dung on the season - but it should be refreshing to see if Mason can unleash the anti-Jose in Spurs.  (Albeit Kane is injured).

 

Sorry in advance to my GB @roadkill1292

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20 hours ago, NewlyRetired said:

This is the head sports writer of the Mail (so take with a grain of salt)

Oliver Holt

@OllieHolt22

Hearing the first cracks may be beginning to appear in the ugly, misshapen edifice of the ESL. Told two English clubs are close to losing their nerve.

From reading it sounds like Liverpool and ManU the two big clubs who are the leaders in this "F'd this up" according to multiple sources. Clubs feel like they were led on and lied too. Also from an old source I have who isn't affiliated with anyone just has a few sources in the EPL said both of these clubs are the main reason the Saudi Takeover at Newcastle didn't go through. 

Liverpool is trying to save face by pulling out. 

Both Milan clubs are pulling out Looks like this isn't happening anymore. 

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10 hours ago, Desert_Power said:

I don't think what AC Milan did decades ago nor how big their brand is should qualify them for the top Euro tournament every year. Only results on the pitch should matter.

But Arsenal and Spurs should be? Also most of these elite clubs from EPL entering this only became elite after Financial takeovers not 10 yrs ago. Barca/Madrid/Both Milans/Liverpool/ManU some of these clubs haven't done much in the last decade have more of an argument to be here then the likes of Arsenal and Spurs who could be looked at as the redheaded Step Childs of the group. 

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9 hours ago, NewlyRetired said:

Perez is now saying that the sport does not appeal to younger viewers the way it once did and they are going to look at items like shortening the games.

I personally think FIFA moves like a tectonic plate in terms of keeping the game up to date with rule changes but I don't want a rogue league making changes on their own either.

And as a related comment, for the problems that the sport has, fitting itself perfectly into a 2 hour window is not one of them.

The problem isn't the change it's video games. A lot of the "fans" they want to appease too are casuals/bandwagon supporters. They're your Typical American NBA fan too. Fan of the player not the club and the minute said player switches club so does their allegiance. 

Are there rule changes I'd like to see implemented in the sport? Absolutely especially changing the offside rule, putting in a salary cap, etc. Shortening matches because most of the fans they want to appease to need constant brain stimulation and ignorant to the game to begin with isn't where I think these clubs to lay their sword on. They are literally trying to appease to basically my one buddy who a few yrs ago I took to a Union Match vs Columbus. We ha got MF tickets about 5 rows back from the on pitch VIP section on the TV side of the field. We saw the Union win 4-1, a Crew player Straight RC, a PK for the Union and a ton of action. My buddy said he was still bored the whole match. How in God's name after all of that can he still be bored? If that isn't gonna do the trick how do they expect shortening games to drive in fans? 

OH YEAH WE ALSO RAN INTO THEN UNION TECHNICAL DIRECTOR AND FORMER USMNT PLAYER ERNIE STEWART WHO SHOOK OUR HANDS!!!!! And we shared a few beers and hung out with the SoBs after the match. All of that and he still said he didn't have fun? Right then and there I knew who wasn't going to World Cup Matches here in Philly if we ever got matches and I got good tickets. 

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8 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

I don't even think that is true.  There is backlash every time a super league idea is floated.

From what I am reading - this has been 2 years in the making, and that the owners are prepared to move forward.  They already got a favorable court ruling in Spain, effectively barring UEFA and/or FIFA from imposing any sanctions on the teams until there has been a full hearing.

I think the owners are prepared to ride out the storm, and will be prepared to start play in the fall.

This has been an idea since the mid 2000s. There was secrete Email leaks from about 5-8 yrs ago between some of the aforementioned clubs about it back then. 

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8 hours ago, NewlyRetired said:

@Dinsy Ejotuzmentioned this yesterday but the whole thing is bizarre.  Teams as despicable as PSG are being made to look good :)

FIFA and UEFA are arguably the two most corrupt organizations in sports and most seem to be on their side.

It is very unsettling :)

Outside the NCAA that is true. They are basically organized crime rings 

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8 hours ago, B Maverick said:

I've been thinking about this over the last couple days.  Your United v Milan sentiment is true.  This week should have been filled with United v Roma talk and how United overturned a 2-1 home deficit and went to Rome and won 7-1 to advance 8-3 on aggregate.  How its been 14 years since that night and what it means for Roma.

Sure we get the Manchester Derby and United Liverpool rivalry games twice a year (or more in domestic cups) and you need that.  But you also need the European Nights, the prestige and the years long holding of a grudge.  

Sure I like going to the Angels v Dodgers games every year, but it bigger when the Yankees come to town once every 4 years....

You also would get the Milan Derby constantly 

However yes you're right. I didn't mind watching Phillies vs Mets every year but last year I really missed not watching them play the AL West or Central. I remember going to a Phillies game vs Sea when Griffey and ARod were there (Two of my favorite players) and how excited I was to see these guys I don't see a lot in person. Now imagine if I had to watch that 80 times a year? Ruins that effect. 

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8 hours ago, B Maverick said:

And I hate the idea of shorter matches.  45 mins of action and no commercials, followed by 15 mins to hit the restroom/eat/whatever, followed by 45 mins of action and no commercials....

When I tell someone the game will be over in 2 hours, it really is over in 2 hours.  Don't mess with perfection.

Went to the Inaugural Home Open for the Philly Union that was played at the Linc because our home pitch wasn't gonna be ready in June. Well Security was super tight as then VP Joe Biden a big Philly Sports fan was a special guest at the match. I got there with my buddy who had gotten Union Season tickets and 20 mins into the match a couple comes in and asks "did we miss 20 mins of this already?" Yes yes you did. They were surprised. I think a few people that day had a bit of a shock with how fast the match came and went. One of the reasons I like Soccer's set up is I know I can plan my day around the matches. If Newcastle and Milan are both playing the Same day and say Newcastle is playing in the morning at 8 or 9 I know by 10 or 11 I will be done. Milan doesn't start till 2:45 I know the match is by 5. I can have dinner and say it's a Saturday I know I got from 5 on available. If I get lucky and Milan plays at noon I know I got most of my afternoon available. You don't really get that in other sports 

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8 hours ago, Sammy3469 said:

That's a different issue entirely.  At its heart what European fans are pissed off at is that these 12 clubs have a guaranteed 420 million dollars a year.  That I can understand, but the actual sporting aspects seem like English fans wanting the EPL to remain the predominate competition when in reality for the rest of the world its already the CL (sic Superleague).

These fans didn't have an issue with all these Saudi owners and big business company types taking over clubs and spending well over debt for lack luster results that crush these clubs financially if they don't make Europe or win league and cup. I didn't see them complaining like they did when PSG spent over 150M Euros for Mbappe or Chelsea spending 30M on Hazard who hadn't proven much other than the could play in a weak league at the time? 

So to me this argument is BS. These clubs got no issue taking these elite clubs money when they need to stay afloat and transfer their good young players to keep the club afloat and raise profits while trying to stay competitive domestically. 

I did see most of these Elite EPL clubs throw a temper tantrum the minute a club like Newcastle was about to have a Saudi Takeover because they were worried about having more competition. 

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6 hours ago, encaitar said:

United is out from latest reports.  Apparently the players weren't keen on the idea and senior members went to management to make ultimatums/threats?

Heard their director sent in his resignation. James Milner yesterday said players of these clubs found out about this the same way as the general public. A lot of players on all sides were no happy. Sassulo manager said he didn't want to lead his team out tomorrow vs Milan but would if the club forced him to as he was so disgusted 

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6 hours ago, NewlyRetired said:

IMO, the Super League idea is never going to go away, but now it feels like the parameters have been set when this bubbles up again around 2030.

I also am unsure what this fall out may mean for the expected MLS/Liga MX merger.  

I think most US and Mexican fans are for the merger. I wasn't at first and have a few negative sentiments about it already including how much more travel is involved now going to Mexico and the US and Canada for matches. However I think most fans welcome the competition. They just aren't sure yet how this will end up working without oversaturation of clubs without some sort of Pro/Rel format. 

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6 hours ago, encaitar said:

I saw a stat earlier today that showed that Chelsea was the only team among the 12 in the Super League that reported no debt last year.  Man City was second lowest with only like $30M in debt.  The rest, especially Tottenham, Real Madrid, and Barca had run up huge amounts of debt.

It was clear that Man City and Chelsea didn't need the money and I don't doubt that the reports that they were practically strong-armed into joining to begin with were accurate.  Once they saw their fans negative reaction it's not surprising that their decisions were quickly reversed.  It'll be interesting to see if this does anything to change the majority of English fans' opinions on those two ownership groups.... hell, maybe Roman can use this to get his UK visa back.  :)

I read outside of Arsenal, AC Milan had the least amount of debt amongst the clubs. The ironic thing about these two clubs is CEO Ivan Gazidis was a former Arsenal man who now works with AC Milan and has done a great job with Elliot to get back in the black and level the books 

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6 hours ago, CletiusMaximus said:

reminds me of when we all took the side of US Soccer against the USWNT

 

I know I didn't 

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5 hours ago, NewlyRetired said:

and to think I chuckled a bit when I read this yesterday

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UEFA president Alexander Ceferin has hit out at Manchester United and Juventus supremos Ed Woodward and Andrea Agnelli, branding them "snakes" after leading proposals for a breakaway Super League.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. 

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IS Arsenal the only one who said "I done ####ed up"?

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Arsenal

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As a result of listening to you and the wider football community over recent days we are withdrawing from the proposed Super League. We made a mistake, and we apologize for it.

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Interesting statement from Curva Sud Milan Leave it to the Curva to put mutal blame all around and not mince words. No one was safe in this statement. The Clubs involved and both FIFA AND UEFA were part of the vitriol anger from them 

"Milan ultras group Curva Sud released a statement that did not specifically condemn the Super League plan, but rather claimed the outrage is ‘hypocritical.’

While fans at Chelsea, Manchester City, Liverpool and others are all protesting angrily in the hours since the project was announced, Italian supporters have been relatively quiet.

Juventus fans hung up one banner outside the stadium complaining their history was being ‘bartered and commercialised,’ pointedly including an image of the old logo."

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Milan supporters group Curva Sud released a different kind of statement that hit out at the world of football in general.

“Honestly, it makes us laugh to see all those people in the control room of football suddenly claim we fans are first and foremost.

“The Super League is just the latest in a long line of innumerable manoeuvres over decades that has made football into a business.

“The birth of this new competition would certainly be another shove to the football of old, which is by now a distant memory, and will inevitably obscure the tradition of the various national leagues, robbing football of the undeniable principle of sporting meritocracy.

“But the thing that most leaves us indignant is the hypocrisy of all those who contributed to making this sport nothing but a business, those who today stand up in name of the fans, but only because they saw their remunerative and seemingly untouchable project fall apart.

“Football did belong to the people until the 1990s, when the Champions League was born, destroying the old European Cup. From that moment, an unbreachable chasm has been created between the big and small clubs.

“Football did belong to the people even when nobody lifted a finger to stop the increase of ticket prices that was imposed by some Presidents.

“Football did belong to the people even when nobody stepped in to stop the rise of the super agents, who took player salaries to ever more astronomical figures, which could only be sustained with TV rights, the same TV companies that imposed increasingly chaotic fixture lists, with games on improbable days and kick-off times.

“Football did belong to the people even when rules were imposed to stop any rapport between the players and the fans.

“Football did belong to the people even when Supercoppa Finals were played on other continents or the dates of some games were changed a few days before kick-off, damaging those fans who had booked trains or planes to get to the stadium.

“Football did belong to the people even when some clubs were allowed to circumvent Financial Fair Play, while others with less influential Presidents were penalised.

“Football did belong to the people even when the World Cup was forced to Qatar in 2022, despite moving the entire calendar and disregarding human rights violations.

“We could list numerous other examples to show the absolute hypocrisy of the words we’re hearing from the football chiefs over the last 48 hours.

“The Super League is just the latest disgusting step, but those who took football to this point are no less grotesque, so save us these ludicrous performances of rhetoric and morality.

“Now that the money is running out, feel free to fight it out between yourselves, but don’t you dare name the fans. PIGS!

 

 

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Instead of the International Contanental Cup (ICC) played every summer why not bring in the super league? Top clubs from each of the big leagues England, Spain, Italy, France, Portugal, Germany and then invite a few clubs from the smaller leagues, Russia, Belgium, MLS/Mexico, SA teams. Who wouldn't want to See Messi and Barca face Messi's childhood club Bocca Juniors? Benfica and Everton vs his Gremio club? ManU vs LA Galaxy or inter Miami? 

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4 minutes ago, DJackson10 said:

Instead of the International Contanental Cup (ICC) played every summer why not bring in the super league? Top clubs from each of the big leagues England, Spain, Italy, France, Portugal, Germany and then invite a few clubs from the smaller leagues, Russia, Belgium, MLS/Mexico, SA teams. Who wouldn't want to See Messi and Barca face Messi's childhood club Bocca Juniors? Benfica and Everton vs his Gremio club? ManU vs LA Galaxy or inter Miami? 

I thought the ICC thing died before covid hit...but obviously I could be misremembering.

I don't think adding even more games to these guys calendars will work...especially if they're games that are supposed to mean anything.

Either the ESL merges somehow with the CL, or the fat lady is singing.

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6 minutes ago, El Floppo said:

I thought the ICC thing died before covid hit...but obviously I could be misremembering.

I don't think adding even more games to these guys calendars will work...especially if they're games that are supposed to mean anything.

Either the ESL merges somehow with the CL, or the fat lady is singing.

Don't think the ICC died. I think they were trying to figure out a way to make it more lucrative for clubs. I don't mind a preseason tournament of sorts though. A great way to see your clubs younger players get some match time in a first team environment and for us we get matches that are actually televised we can watch. 

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7 minutes ago, El Floppo said:

Either the ESL merges somehow with the CL, or the fat lady is singing.

People were joking today that in 5 years UEFA will announce something that looks a hell of lot like the Super League but only under their financial control.

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9 minutes ago, DJackson10 said:

Don't think the ICC died. I think they were trying to figure out a way to make it more lucrative for clubs.

It was not dead but it was dying.  The attendances on average have been dropping year after year. 

It took a while but American's finally figured out that watching the Liverpool stars for 5 minutes before numbers 78-89 subbed in was not worth the cost.

It will be interesting to see what form it comes back in and whether fans will buy into the most meaningless of friendlies.

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2 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

It was not dead but it was dying.  The attendances on average have been dropping year after year. 

It took a while but American's finally figured out that watching the Liverpool stars for 5 minutes before numbers 78-89 subbed in was not worth the cost.

It will be interesting to see what form it comes back in and whether fans can by into the most meaningless of friendlies.

The issue was it also wasn't going to a lot of newer cities. Always the same cities. I think here in Philly we got two matches the whole time it was around and it drew well. You keep showing the same clubs in Boston, Mia, LA, SEA year after year they will get bored of it quickly. Liverpool always played in Boston for obvious reasons. I remember in order to see Milan the one year I'd have had to go to East Rutherford, NJ which is a trip in itself to watch and it wasn't worth it without a car or anyone to go with. Minny got more matches then Philly/DC and hardly I'd call Minny soccer fever. Now my own county in PA is big Crazy on Soccer. We showed how crazy we are when the USWNT showed up for a friendly after the WC and we had record attendance for a Women's friendly in the US. 

Milan was in it yearly because the ICC president is a big Milan supporter so at the very least it was nice knowing I got to watch a few friendly Milan matches before the new campaign started. 

Another problem was it was played every year so the years Euros or the World Cup took place most of the big names took more time off because the time they would've had was spent at these major international tournaments. If they had this on the off years you could see more bigger names involved too. So like after the World Cup in '26, 2027 you have the ICC, '28 you got Euros, ICC '29 and 2030 is Euros again. 

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The problem I had was what Andy said, but coupled with prices that went from- oh, cool... I can go see CRo play for not much more than a couple of movie tickets ($20+ per, here) to I can feed the kids, or go see CRo for a few minutes.

If the prices had stayed lower, I'd be more interested.

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Here is the Super League's statement.  I wonder when they are going to realize a meaningless court ruling in Madrid (who may be on the Real payroll for all we know) would have any effect on the English government's ability to throw any of multiple wrenches in the cogs to render the EPL teams flaccid? 

IMO, it was the government going all in so quickly that made the English teams realize how bad they misread the plan.

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"Despite the announced departure of the English clubs, forced to take such decisions due the pressure out on them, we are convinced our proposal is fully aligned with European law and regulations as was demonstrated today by a court decision to protect the Super League from third party actions," it read.

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4 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

Instead of the International Contanental Cup (ICC) played every summer why not bring in the super league? Top clubs from each of the big leagues England, Spain, Italy, France, Portugal, Germany and then invite a few clubs from the smaller leagues, Russia, Belgium, MLS/Mexico, SA teams. Who wouldn't want to See Messi and Barca face Messi's childhood club Bocca Juniors? Benfica and Everton vs his Gremio club? ManU vs LA Galaxy or inter Miami? 

I’ve been to a few of those exhibitions many years ago. Never again. The players are at half speed at best, completely disinterested. No atmosphere at all.  I paid a ton of money (for me) to see Leo Messi play in the Copa Centenario a few years ago.  I think that tournament was probably the only time he’s played in competitive games in North America. He scored a second half hat trick against Panama in Chicago and it was worth every penny to see that with my son, but I wouldn’t pay a nickel to see him play in an ICC  game. 

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Fabrizio Romano

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#SuperLeague has been officially SUSPENDED - English clubs have left (Chelsea too, official soon). - Inter have left, AC Milan are set to leave. - Juventus and Spanish clubs: waiting for official position. The whole #SuperLeague has been stopped to “reshape the project”.

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Meanwhile....

And more importantly...

 

The Pogumentary is coming to Amazon next year. And Netflix is doing a docu-series starring CRo's lady, which has to feature the baby daddy too.

What more could soccer fans possibly hope for!

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1 hour ago, Sinn Fein said:
2 hours ago, El Floppo said:

CRo's lady, which has to feature the baby daddy too.

Wait... you are telling me that @The Gatorgot a netflix show, and I am just now hearing about it????

Please for the love of god, no nude scenes.

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13 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

I know its fashionable to root against Spurs - something about annoying Spurs fans on the board - but tomorrow, its worth the effort.

Ryan Mason - who has been with Spurs for 20 years - since he was 9 - will take charge of the club, as the youngest Manager in PL history (I think).

Mason had to retire from the game a few years ago after a brutal head collision in a game, and has been back at Spurs coaching the Academy players and U23s, and now will get to manage the team for the rest of the season - including an improbable League Cup final on Sunday.

Spurs have had a miserable season, and this last week has just heaped more dung on the season - but it should be refreshing to see if Mason can unleash the anti-Jose in Spurs.  (Albeit Kane is injured).

 

Sorry in advance to my GB @roadkill1292

Does Levy keep his job?  I think not.  

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41 minutes ago, JaxBill said:

Schalke players attacked after relegation

 

ouch

Meanwhile, Borussia Dortmund ultra groups celebrated the relegation of their local rivals by setting off fireworks close to the Veltins Arena.

:loco:

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So in other/local news, our sunday leagues are starting up again after a year off.  League has a few freindlies scheduled before the actual season starts, so Sunday at 9am we have game 1!!!

If I don't post here on Monday, its because I died.  :D Or maybe its because I want to.:topcat:

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I know the owners like Henry and Roman are out of touch with the sport but whom ever council-ed them that the reaction would not have been poor should really have their jobs in jeopardy.

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However, the Sun is reporting that Abramovich is 'livid' with Chelsea after being 'misinformed' about the likely reaction to joining the Super League. He is said to have been 'blindsided' by the strength of the backlash to the initial announcement.

Chairman Bruce Buck led the decision to join the new competition, but it was Abramovich's anger which begun the domino effect as all the English clubs confirmed their withdrawals. 

This has been confirmed by multiple sources including the Telegraph stating Abramovich was the man who made the call to order the board to withdraw from the Super League.

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22 minutes ago, B Maverick said:

So in other/local news, our sunday leagues are starting up again after a year off.  League has a few freindlies scheduled before the actual season starts, so Sunday at 9am we have game 1!!!

If I don't post here on Monday, its because I died.  :D Or maybe its because I want to.:topcat:

Demand entry into the Super League. 

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John Henry was at the Red Sox game last night.  He went down to watch the press conference afterwards.  Xander Bogarts (Red Sox player) came out to talk to the media.  He was wearing a Liverpool jersey and then gave his opinions on how bad the Super League idea was.

Henry left the press conference and immediately went to a room in Fenway Park and recorded the apology video to the Liverpool supporters.

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4 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

I know the owners like Henry and Roman are out of touch with the sport but whom ever council-ed them that the reaction would not have been poor should really have their jobs in jeopardy.

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However, the Sun is reporting that Abramovich is 'livid' with Chelsea after being 'misinformed' about the likely reaction to joining the Super League. He is said to have been 'blindsided' by the strength of the backlash to the initial announcement.

Chairman Bruce Buck led the decision to join the new competition, but it was Abramovich's anger which begun the domino effect as all the English clubs confirmed their withdrawals. 

This has been confirmed by multiple sources including the Telegraph stating Abramovich was the man who made the call to order the board to withdraw from the Super League.

 

I have to admit I was also pretty surprised by the nature and strength of the backlash.  I think Patrick Bamford made a decent point - fans have accepted blatant outward racism in the game for decades, with only lip-service opposition (no boycotts, no protests).  As I've noted before, UEFA itself has been moving in the direction of the ESL - slowly but steadily - over the past 30 years.  I see Carra and Neville on Sky yesterday saying this was an attack on the fans and the game itself, and that none of these executives or owners can ever show their faces in England again.  To me that is totally hypocritical and it did surprise me.

For what its worth, I have no doubt Bruce Buck was at the lead in this effort for Chelsea (he's an American lawyer at a large international law firm, long time board member at Chelsea), but he was almost certainly just carrying out his marching orders.  I doubt Abramovic was taking advise on PR from Buck.  No one really knows what goes on behind closed doors at Chelsea.  I expect the Sun reporting something like this is nearly 100% speculation, or based on a PR leak from Roman's team to do damage control.

 

 

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