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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Interesting, I will have to check it out. I didn't look at any specific review- only RT and Meta just to get an idea of the general opinion. Off hand, do you remember what they specifically didn't like? I will be honest that I don't know the specifics of the history so if that is botched, it would go over my head.
krista4
Footballguy
It's difficult to summarize, really. A little bit of it was casting, a little bit of falling into cinematic traps. https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-front-row/judas-and-the-black-messiah-reviewed-a-drama-of-revolutionary-activism-is-submerged-by-its-sentiments
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Maximum Overdrive
Oh my.
Oh my.
Osaurus
Footballguy
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Osaurus
Footballguy
It’s only like a few pages back I think. I still haven’t seen it, but I am planning to watch it shortly.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I just saw this a week or two ago.
I'm glad I knew it was based on a play before I watched it, because the film was staged that way and could be frustrating to those not knowing that. These men have become archetypes and were written that way.
My one gripe is with the exposition dumps of each man's accomplishments, mostly out of context and in mid-sentence. But I think that goes back to the "based on a stage production" thing.
As for the performances, all four were stellar. I don't think I've seen any of these actors in anything else and was impressed by all of them. I would watch any of them in a lead role.
The one I felt had the most thankless job was the guy playing Ali. I mean, what do you do there that hasn't already been done a million times? Ali is one of the most filmed, interviewed, imitated, parodied celebrities in history. But I like that the actor kept him more low-key and a bit conflicted.
I thought Malcom had the showiest, flashiest role. And the actor sold it. He looks even more like Barack Obama than Malcom to me, so we know what his next role will be.
Sam Cooke - to me - was the most interesting character. His Michael Jordan "Republicans buy shoes, too" attitude was a fascinating alternative to Malcolm X (Ali & Brown split the difference).
And then there's Jim Brown. He had, by far, the least to do outside of his prologue (as someone said above - that scene was just brutal). But that actor has presence, man. He stalked the screen like a panther looking for prey, all the while drinking these other viewpoints in. Knowing some of what the real-life Jim got up to later in his life, I had a hard time "rooting" for him here, but I really enjoyed that performance.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I get some of his criticisms and I did think the movie could have been longer to explore more ground but I also think he’s asking for it to be a different movie. This is much more a crime movie and the story of Judas, not the Black Messiah. That is made clear from the very beginning.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I loved it and it’s my “Best Picture” so far. I am pretty much in line with most of your takes here. Great movie.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
krista4
Footballguy
Now this is a damn review. Thank you for it. For some inexplicable reason I hadn't been too excited to see this, but you made me want to.
Osaurus
Footballguy
jamny
Footballguy
Great soundtrack.Maximum Overdrive
Oh my.
Me and a bunch of friend went to see it in the theater just for the music.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Started Ikiru last night and I was really enjoying it. I will try to finish it tonight. The scene at the beginning with the running around with the different departments and the government BS had me laughing.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Another weird few nights of movies:
Ikiru, Pulp Fiction, Matrix 2, Jaws, and Get Hard.
Imagine that- stop doing 2-3 hours of gaming a night, and my movie watching goes up!
Ikiru, Pulp Fiction, Matrix 2, Jaws, and Get Hard.
Imagine that- stop doing 2-3 hours of gaming a night, and my movie watching goes up!
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I've been trying to avoid signing up for too many streaming services, but just signed up for Hulu so I can watch "Nomadland" (released tomorrow).
Anything else good on there I should watch? I know 80s mentioned Palm Springs to me a few weeks ago, and it looks like that is on there.
Anything else good on there I should watch? I know 80s mentioned Palm Springs to me a few weeks ago, and it looks like that is on there.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Palm Springs was great.
Portrait of a Lady on Fire is also on Hulu, and that was one of my faves from last year. I liked it better than Parasite. I think there are a couple more Hulu recommendations, but I'd have to look when I get home. Honestly it's my least watched of the streaming options.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Some shows are ok...for all mankind and futureman jump to mind. Handmaid's tale too.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Mother (the Bong movie, one of his best), Cabin in the Woods, Let the Right One In, Meeks Cutoff, Hunt for the Wilder People, Hell or High Water, I Tonya and Minding the Gap would be my suggestions that maybe you haven’t seen.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I’ve bought a lot of blu rays and criterion’s this year just being bored at home with extra money. As for 4K...
Dunkirk, Fury Road, BTTF trilogy, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Spartacus, Braveheart, Gladiator, Crouching Tiger, Schindler’s List, 1917, Ford v Ferrari, Sicario, Ihterstellar, both Blade Runners, Stand By Me, Halloween, The Shining, Scarface, Dark Knight, Casino, Goodfrllas, 2001, Parasitr, Rear Window, Psycho, Vertigo, The Birds, Top Gun, Wonder Woman, Apocalypse Now, Jaws, Saving Private Ryan, LOTR.
I think that’s it, I can see the bookcase with them from my treadmill so that’s what I think I see.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Nice start to the collection. I don't have many, but I was just thinking this am that I haven't watched many in 4K since getting the TV, and I might start getting a couple a month. I have the bolded plus FMJ, Tenet, Spidey, Toy Story 4, and Rogue One.
I am trying to think of my favorite movies and start there, but it still seems like the conversion to 4K blurays is a slow one as there aren't many by PTA, Tarantino, etc.. I think next might be another box set like the Hitchcock or Jurassic Park. Seems like the only way I saw JP was in a box set which is disappointing, so I might hold off on that too.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah it’s a slow drip. Most of the ones I got were sales around November and December. I got a lot of those from Amazon and Best Buy for $12 or less. Some as cheap as $8. I will say with the new tv and 4K player, even my blu-rays look fantastic. Especially well produced ones like Criterion.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I almost got Requiem for a Dream and Ex Machina today. EM is only $7.50 on Amazon, so I might still add that on to something soon. I want a few more Pixar movies too. Trying to get only my favorites and ones that I don't have on BR, but I did do a couple like Spidey because they were <$10 like you said.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
More on Ikiru -
In the vein of what @krista4 and I were talking about and fawning over in The Sound of Metal, this movie had some absolute magical moments of human interaction. Just honest, real depictions of people. The movie did lose me a bit after the "turn" in the middle of the movie as we moved to the gathering of people for the last part. Not enough to make me fall out of love with the movie but I really missed Shimura. Only seen a few, but this is my favorite Kurosawa so far.
In the vein of what @krista4 and I were talking about and fawning over in The Sound of Metal, this movie had some absolute magical moments of human interaction. Just honest, real depictions of people. The movie did lose me a bit after the "turn" in the middle of the movie as we moved to the gathering of people for the last part. Not enough to make me fall out of love with the movie but I really missed Shimura. Only seen a few, but this is my favorite Kurosawa so far.
El Floppo
Footballguy
We watched the Dr Doolittle reboot.
Aside from not understanding Downey's scottish accent, I enjoyed it fine, and the kids did too (9yo more than the 13yo). Exceeded my flatline expectations given the horrid reviews.
We also started Inkheart, with a pretty decent cast including Helen Mirren. Not great, but not bad and a fun adventure for the kids so far.
Aside from not understanding Downey's scottish accent, I enjoyed it fine, and the kids did too (9yo more than the 13yo). Exceeded my flatline expectations given the horrid reviews.
We also started Inkheart, with a pretty decent cast including Helen Mirren. Not great, but not bad and a fun adventure for the kids so far.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I’ll check that out soon. Rewatching Destry Rides Again tonight. I’m still surprised this movie isn’t mentioned more among the classic Westerns.
jamny
Footballguy
Top 3 Kurosawa, imo. Loved it. Mifune is such a presence in his films but Shimura is amazing in this.
Have you seen The Bad Sleep Well? I can't believe no one has remade that one yet.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
krista4
Footballguy
I watched it tonight. I'd really only skimmed the review, because I don't like to read reviews in detail before watching a movie, so that I'm not unduly influenced. So I read the review in more detail after watching to see if the reasons I turned out to be kind of meh on the movie were the same as those discussed there, and they were surprisingly similar.
First off, I had a hard time with the lead actor (who is terrific in other roles) as he was just too old. He never only looked too old but played it too old, if that makes sense. The fire and recklessness of youth was missing to me.
My bigger issue was that, like that reviewer, I guess I was looking for or expecting a different movie. I'd read of this as a "Fred Hampton biopic," which is what I was interested in. And as you know, it's not that at all. Hampton was a fascinating person, and to me O'Neal was not (I remember him from the Eyes on the Prize sequel, too). That's my fault for not knowing what I was going to watch, I guess, but there was waaaaaaay too much of his interaction with his bosses and such for me to find it that enjoyable. My movie would have a lot more about Hampton and especially about his work bringing the diverse groups of the downtrodden together. Maybe someone will make my movie one day.
Overall this is a very well made film with great performances (setting aside the miscast of Hampton), so I can see why it has garnered such praise. Not terrific for me, though.
whoknew
Footballguy
I watched it tonight. I'd really only skimmed the review, because I don't like to read reviews in detail before watching a movie, so that I'm not unduly influenced. So I read the review in more detail after watching to see if the reasons I turned out to be kind of meh on the movie were the same as those discussed there, and they were surprisingly similar.
First off, I had a hard time with the lead actor (who is terrific in other roles) as he was just too old. He never only looked too old but played it too old, if that makes sense. The fire and recklessness of youth was missing to me.
My bigger issue was that, like that reviewer, I guess I was looking for or expecting a different movie. I'd read of this as a "Fred Hampton biopic," which is what I was interested in. And as you know, it's not that at all. Hampton was a fascinating person, and to me O'Neal was not (I remember him from the Eyes on the Prize sequel, too). That's my fault for not knowing what I was going to watch, I guess, but there was waaaaaaay too much of his interaction with his bosses and such for me to find it that enjoyable. My movie would have a lot more about Hampton and especially about his work bringing the diverse groups of the downtrodden together. Maybe someone will make my movie one day.
Overall this is a very well made film with great performances (setting aside the miscast of Hampton), so I can see why it has garnered such praise. Not terrific for me, though.
This is really interesting. I find it fascinating how my ignorance shaped how much I enjoyed the movie.
I knew nothing about Fred Hampton before the movie, I'm sorry to say. As a result, neither of your complaints registered with me at all. And I, therefore, loved the movie. I thought it was terrific and should garner award nominations for the top 3 actors and the movie itself.
So finally - my stupidity pays off.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
A Fred Hampton biopic doesn’t likely get made and certainly not with the budget and major studio behind it. Plus I think the typical great man life of biopics are played out. As for the age, I agree everyone clearly seems 10 years older than they really were but that’s typical Hollywood casting. It would be tough to find younger actors with the chops for this and a studio wants established stars. You are right that you are just looking for a different movie and one that would never get a green light. They were able to put all the radical and powerful philosophy of Hampton into this because it was a crime movie.I watched it tonight. I'd really only skimmed the review, because I don't like to read reviews in detail before watching a movie, so that I'm not unduly influenced. So I read the review in more detail after watching to see if the reasons I turned out to be kind of meh on the movie were the same as those discussed there, and they were surprisingly similar.
First off, I had a hard time with the lead actor (who is terrific in other roles) as he was just too old. He never only looked too old but played it too old, if that makes sense. The fire and recklessness of youth was missing to me.
My bigger issue was that, like that reviewer, I guess I was looking for or expecting a different movie. I'd read of this as a "Fred Hampton biopic," which is what I was interested in. And as you know, it's not that at all. Hampton was a fascinating person, and to me O'Neal was not (I remember him from the Eyes on the Prize sequel, too). That's my fault for not knowing what I was going to watch, I guess, but there was waaaaaaay too much of his interaction with his bosses and such for me to find it that enjoyable. My movie would have a lot more about Hampton and especially about his work bringing the diverse groups of the downtrodden together. Maybe someone will make my movie one day.
Overall this is a very well made film with great performances (setting aside the miscast of Hampton), so I can see why it has garnered such praise. Not terrific for me, though.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
was waiting for you on this. we were the only two ofays in the Fred Hampton Fan Club i still know, so.....I watched it tonight. I'd really only skimmed the review, because I don't like to read reviews in detail before watching a movie, so that I'm not unduly influenced. So I read the review in more detail after watching to see if the reasons I turned out to be kind of meh on the movie were the same as those discussed there, and they were surprisingly similar.
First off, I had a hard time with the lead actor (who is terrific in other roles) as he was just too old. He never only looked too old but played it too old, if that makes sense. The fire and recklessness of youth was missing to me.
My bigger issue was that, like that reviewer, I guess I was looking for or expecting a different movie. I'd read of this as a "Fred Hampton biopic," which is what I was interested in. And as you know, it's not that at all. Hampton was a fascinating person, and to me O'Neal was not (I remember him from the Eyes on the Prize sequel, too). That's my fault for not knowing what I was going to watch, I guess, but there was waaaaaaay too much of his interaction with his bosses and such for me to find it that enjoyable. My movie would have a lot more about Hampton and especially about his work bringing the diverse groups of the downtrodden together. Maybe someone will make my movie one day.
Overall this is a very well made film with great performances (setting aside the miscast of Hampton), so I can see why it has garnered such praise. Not terrific for me, though.
dont think i'll ruin the picture of Black Messiah in my head to see it then, cuz it's a damn good picture. the fun revolutionary, the Hendrix of the next way we were all gonna be, the guy offering you freedom like it's reeeeally good smoke, the first black man looking down from the mountaintop, the glint that ended shine. i had worked in the Panther breakfast program as a runaway at a time when his martyrization was in full swing and my last school term paper was on Hampton's assassination. i'm glad for the world to get to see this icon done right, but i think i'll pass.
krista4
Footballguy
Not stupidity. This era and subject matter was the focus of my college studies and thesis - I crafted my own major around it. So I come to it with a fuller background than most.If you change your mind, I’d be eager to hear what you think. Love your description of the picture you have.
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
i knew summa dat, but not major/thesis. do tell -
and if you know where to get an original Rainbow Coalition patch.....
Ilov80s
Footballguy
If you do see it, you just have to know it’s not a Hampton biopic. It’s more like The Departed and focuses on both Hampton and the FBI’s plot to spy on him and kill him with an inside man. I think it’s probably the best movie I’ve seen that’s up for Oscars this year. I have it slightly above One Night in Miami and Mank. First Cow is up there as well. Small Axe was excellent too but not sure how to even categorize that. Single movie or a movie anthology?
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Hampton didnt have enough to bio. he burst, then got bursted, so i wouldnta expected that. his patter and sillythrilly glee over deliverance and general playing-cowboys approach would make a hella play, tho.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Regarding 4k stuff...just a reminder that there are titles that you can stream in 4k that you can't get on 4k disc.
The stream won't be as good as the 4k disc, sure...but it will at least be BluRay quality and will add HDR. So it's still a good option.
Blu-Ray.com is always up to date on the latest sales. I've picked up some good titles that way. And I prefer iTunes to the others.
The stream won't be as good as the 4k disc, sure...but it will at least be BluRay quality and will add HDR. So it's still a good option.
Blu-Ray.com is always up to date on the latest sales. I've picked up some good titles that way. And I prefer iTunes to the others.
krista4
Footballguy
It's not that interesting. I was primarily interested in US history and polisci of the 20th century, so I formed my major around that and called it 20th century US studies. I sprinkled in art, music, philosophy, and literature classes from the same era, but primarily focused on history and polisci with a micro-focus on the civil rights movement. My thesis surrounded the civil unrest of the 1960s and in particular the Watts riot, and a comparison of conditions at the time (1989) and whether we were ripe for a new series of outbreaks despite being in a period of apparent calm. (I thought we were and unfortunately turned out to be right a couple of years later.) I'm sure it had a clever, long name that I've long since forgotten, and I'm not the type to have kept a copy of it.wikkidpissah said:
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krista4
Footballguy
I’ve thought more about this and read a ton more reviews as well as the background of the making of the movie, and I’m going to disagree. It’s not a crime movie and doesn’t fit into any genre that I could identify in that regard. It’s not a procedural, nor a whodunnit or mystery, nor suspense, nor cops-and-robbers/investigatory, etc. I haven’t read anyone else’s take who claims it to be a crime movie. It’s described as a biography. Even Hampton’s family - and his relationship was a central part of the movie - sees it as that. And it’s being lauded for being radical in its depiction - rather than your thought that a biopic of Hampton could never get made by a major studio, it’s gaining much of its praise for being exactly that, which is seen as shockingly bold. Read the Jacobin review as a good example, though honestly I just read a couple dozen reviews and it’s a common theme.Ilov80s said:
I won’t belabor the point further, but I think you’re an exception in your view of what the movie is, while I’m an exception in my view of how successful it is in achieving it.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Interesting. I listened to an interview with that director and he said the pitch to him from the creators was The Departed inside the world of COINTELPRO. That’s what he was going for. I thought they nailed that. Obviously many disagree with me.
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