Dr_Zaius Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 54 minutes ago, -OZ- said: That's the best part of working at home. I can take a long lunch and have no issue with darkness. Agree. I do have to go into the office off and on, but being able to run over lunch rather than at the crack of dawn this winter has been awesome. 51 minutes ago, -OZ- said: he's pretty much in the middle of the time zone. Of course, I'm in the east as are our wisconsin/ Chicago crew. So it gets darker earlier here. But also light earlier. 🤔 You're right as far as the time zone as a whole, but if you look at the thread's distribution of local time vs. solar noon, I think Chief definitely has a later sunset than most of us. All the Chi/WI, as you mentioned, and pretty much all of the East Coast guys have earlier sunsets. Xulf (and to a lesser extent MAC) are the other ones that come to mind as being skewed a little later than the thread in general. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-OZ- Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Dr_Zaius said: Agree. I do have to go into the office off and on, but being able to run over lunch rather than at the crack of dawn this winter has been awesome. You're right as far as the time zone as a whole, but if you look at the thread's distribution of local time vs. solar noon, I think Chief definitely has a later sunset than most of us. All the Chi/WI, as you mentioned, and pretty much all of the East Coast guys have earlier sunsets. Xulf (and to a lesser extent MAC) are the other ones that come to mind as being skewed a little later than the thread in general. We're gonna need a map, with time zones and each poster's residence. Edited January 20 by -OZ- 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Zaius Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 19 minutes ago, -OZ- said: We're gonna need a map, with time zones and each poster's residence. Can add this to juxt's BMI charts For me today, solar noon is12:13, sunrise 7:21, sunset 17:06. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-OZ- Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 49 minutes ago, Dr_Zaius said: Can add this to juxt's BMI charts For me today, solar noon is12:13, sunrise 7:21, sunset 17:06. Solar Noon 11:57:57 Apparent Sunrise 06:52 Apparent Sunset 17:04 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Floppo Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Just woke up from a dream where I ran a crazy ultra (through construction sites, beaches) and came in second behind some Ryan Hall type known commodity. Then I woke up. Off for some intervals. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Floppo Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Felt colder than the 28 the thermometer said. Legs just didn't feel like they could turn over for my intervals. I'd like to do some different types of speed work where I bring my pace up higher than the 6s I typically hit in my interval workouts. All I can think of is all out sprints with walking/ resting in between...other ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juxtatarot Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, El Floppo said: Felt colder than the 28 the thermometer said. Legs just didn't feel like they could turn over for my intervals. I'd like to do some different types of speed work where I bring my pace up higher than the 6s I typically hit in my interval workouts. All I can think of is all out sprints with walking/ resting in between...other ideas? Strides?. How Strides Can Help You Run Faster 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC_32 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 40 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said: Strides?. How Strides Can Help You Run Faster ...or fartleks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Floppo Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 41 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said: Strides?. How Strides Can Help You Run Faster Awesome...will try it out- thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Floppo Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, MAC_32 said: ...or fartleks. My wife says I do those too much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Floppo Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 I've completely forgotten what fartleks are, but remember having done them. Will Google...thanks, mac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC_32 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, El Floppo said: I've completely forgotten what fartleks are, but remember having done them. Will Google...thanks, mac. There's no rhyme or reason to them - different speeds, different lengths of time, different rest periods, and most importantly never look at your watch. Otherwise they're just intervals. Open this on a desktop then scroll to the graph at the bottom and you'll see what I'm talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianmarco Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MAC_32 said: There's no rhyme or reason to them - different speeds, different lengths of time, different rest periods, and most importantly never look at your watch. Otherwise they're just intervals. Open this on a desktop then scroll to the graph at the bottom and you'll see what I'm talking about. Yep, just do it however you want. Another thing people will do is pick some kind of object. It can be that you you run hard when you see a fire hydrant until you see the next one. I'll do that occasionally but prefer to just run by feel so that I can recover between each one and still run hard for each fartlek. This is from Higdon. The bolded is my favorite part of it: Fartlek: Fartlek was developed in Sweden; the word means "speedplay." Fartlek is similar to tempo training in that it features a continuous run that starts and ends slow with fast running in the middle. The difference is that fartlek includes multiple changes of pace over varied (mostly short) distances. Run as you feel. Be creative. Pick out a tree and run hard to it. Ease back into a jog until rested, then pick out another landmark for your next sprint. Hard, easy, hard, easy. You define the tempo by how you feel. It's an enjoyable form of training that can either be your toughest or easiest workout of the week. Edited January 21 by gianmarco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Floppo Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Yeah...used to do lamposts fartleks in central park. In my understanding, intervals, but maybe shorter. And maybe faster? I'll try to throw those in instead of an interval/pacing workout. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianmarco Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 In case anyone is remotely interested, they are holding the St. Paddy's race that we did last year (me, the wife, and @ChiefD ) in mid-March (March 13th and 14th). They actually added a marathon on Saturday only and there's a 7K and a HM on both Saturday and Sunday. They are also doing "risk free" signup where they don't charge you until 2 weeks out in case it cancels. Likely signing up. In case anyone has an itch to race, it's not a huge race but an ideal size, pretty course, relatively flat, and should be good weather. Creve Coeur St Paddys 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefD Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 42 minutes ago, gianmarco said: In case anyone is remotely interested, they are holding the St. Paddy's race that we did last year (me, the wife, and @ChiefD ) in mid-March (March 13th and 14th). They actually added a marathon on Saturday only and there's a 7K and a HM on both Saturday and Sunday. They are also doing "risk free" signup where they don't charge you until 2 weeks out in case it cancels. Likely signing up. In case anyone has an itch to race, it's not a huge race but an ideal size, pretty course, relatively flat, and should be good weather. Creve Coeur St Paddys Relatively flat my ###. It's all fine and dandy until you get to that ####### mountain at mile 6 or so where you have to climb it twice - going out and coming in. I'll be there. We'll be there for hockey again that same weekend. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianmarco Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ChiefD said: Relatively flat my ###. It's all fine and dandy until you get to that ####### mountain at mile 6 or so where you have to climb it twice - going out and coming in. I'll be there. We'll be there for hockey again that same weekend. It's pretty flat, you wank-er. See you there.... Edited January 21 by gianmarco 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iguana Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 that does seem to be a bit of a mountain of a bridge... stand your ground @ChiefD! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tri-man 47 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Whether they be strides, intervals, fartlek ..it all fits with a recent short article in Runner's World about HIIT (high intensity) training - pump up the striding and HR to achieve some solid benefits. The miles go by much more quickly, too, when you're focused on the start of the next sequence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Floppo Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Yeah... The interval/pace work I've been doing feels like it's helping. I just had the thought today that I could also just add or focus on the speed part rather than always incorporating it into longer workouts like I've been doing (and thus holding something in reserve... Or maybe I'm doing that part of it wrong) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juxtatarot Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Late winter forecast calls for above average temperatures. I'm going to try to run the whole winter outside. I've never done that before. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC_32 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 41 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said: Late winter forecast calls for above average temperatures. I'm going to try to run the whole winter outside. I've never done that before. You do a lot of it outside anyway, but I'm curious if you notice an unexpected March-ish boost in the effectiveness of your workouts. No matter how many winters I've endured I still need to remind myself not to read too much into bad workouts this time of year. Now that I finally have a HR monitor I also now receive objective information confirming how poor the workout is too. But like clockwork that sudden boost always happens with me the first time we have 3 or 4 days in a row of spring-like weather. Although given your output lately I'm not sure how much of a boost is reasonable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefD Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Running has been sporadic lately, but trying to get a few miles in here and there. For the last two weeks I'm finishing up remodeling the house, so every night I've been painting and such. Changing sockets, light switches, lights, etc. Every room in my house is getting new paint and new fixtures. This weekend I'll be tiling the master bathroom, and then next week will be about getting the vanity in, toilet, mirror, all the fixin's. So I'm getting in some actual work in, and my body is sore like it hasn't been since I used to be a contractor full time. Will try and run tonight and Sunday, but gonna skip my long run tomorrow. Tiling will take enough out of me without a 10 miler ahead of that. Probably will run tonight and then Sunday morning. Things should stabilize once the bathroom is done, which should be next weekend. I've neglected this house for the last few years as I've picked up my mileage for my running, but it's time to take care of what Mama Chief wants. Plus, the house will be ready to sell if we decide to continue down that path. Not sure if that is going to play out quite yet. She still has her job though, so that's been nice. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juxtatarot Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 19 minutes ago, MAC_32 said: You do a lot of it outside anyway, but I'm curious if you notice an unexpected March-ish boost in the effectiveness of your workouts. No matter how many winters I've endured I still need to remind myself not to read too much into bad workouts this time of year. Now that I finally have a HR monitor I also now receive objective information confirming how poor the workout is too. But like clockwork that sudden boost always happens with me the first time we have 3 or 4 days in a row of spring-like weather. Although given your output lately I'm not sure how much of a boost is reasonable Since I don't run off of a schedule I generally only do fast running when the weather is OK and I feel that rested spring in my step. I rarely try to force things like I used to. So, I don't think I notice a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC_32 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said: Since I don't run off of a schedule I generally only do fast running when the weather is OK and I feel that rested spring in my step. I rarely try to force things like I used to. So, I don't think I notice a difference. Okay weather being a relative term. I didn't set out to do anything of consequence yesterday, but it was overall a fairly lousy workout beginning-to-end. I did it anyway because it was sunny and 39, but those 20 mph winds + gusts were far from optimal conditions. It's the best I've seen in a week and best I will see for at least another one though. Any other time of year those conditions would be an easy run...although with hindsight I probably should have done down wind fartleks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boom king Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Got 6.5 in this morning. Hopefully I’m allowed to run the Miluakee Lakefront this year 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juxtatarot Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, MAC_32 said: Okay weather being a relative term. I didn't set out to do anything of consequence yesterday, but it was overall a fairly lousy workout beginning-to-end. I did it anyway because it was sunny and 39, but those 20 mph winds + gusts were far from optimal conditions. It's the best I've seen in a week and best I will see for at least another one though. Any other time of year those conditions would be an easy run...although with hindsight I probably should have done down wind fartleks. Yeah, another advantage of being a morning runner is the winds usually die down at night. A lot of times I feel those gusts when I leave work and think about how glad I am that I don’t have to run after getting home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gruecd Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 2 hours ago, boom king said: Got 6.5 in this morning. Hopefully I’m allowed to run the Miluakee Lakefront this year I feel pretty good about Lakefront, not so good about the Milwaukee Marathon scheduled for April. Buddy has a good source who says that it's getting canceled and that the RD has known for 3+ weeks already but hasn't announced it, which doesn't make sense because the race has a full refund policy. Edited January 22 by gruecd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianmarco Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 4 seconds behind in the final leg of a 4x400? No problem, apparently. Holy smokes. Crazy Edited January 23 by gianmarco 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tri-man 47 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, gianmarco said: 4 seconds behind in the final leg of a 4x400? No problem, apparently. Holy smokes. Crazy Go Blue! Also, a few nights ago, Naz Hillmon, star of Michigan's women's basketball team, dropped in 50 points - the most ever scored by a Big Ten player (man or woman). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Floppo Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 hours ago, gianmarco said: 4 seconds behind in the final leg of a 4x400? No problem, apparently. Holy smokes. Crazy Watching her feet turnover was like watching a cartoon. Insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gruecd Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 12 hours ago, gianmarco said: 4 seconds behind in the final leg of a 4x400? No problem, apparently. Holy smokes. Crazy Fast. Reminds me of me. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iguana Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 It took me a minute to get moving, and I probably layered a little thick cause I'm a big wimp with the temps lately, but did a thing today that was fun. Wanted to do a January HM. Wanted to basically run comfortable/ consistent then see how things felt the last few miles. First couple of miles I settled into a 9 min/ mile pace and it felt good. Decided to see how long it felt ok and even was giving myself an "out" to feel bad and slow down later if needed. But... the miles kept ticking off, the pace stayed consistent and my HR was just slowly going up. By about 5 miles or 6 miles in, I felt good about finishing in sub 2 hours and then started thinking about pushing it at the end. From 10 to the finish I did and it was fun to finish strong but my HR over that period shows I have a lot of work to do still. Fun day, however. 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juxtatarot Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I got a COVID test today. I'll know in two to three days. 6 people at work tested positive last week out of the fifteen or so of us who still come into the office. It's a little odd to me as distancing and mask wearing are followed decently. Although it was mostly in one department (not mine). I'm pretty sure I'm fine. My watch gave me some "productives" this week and today I'm "peaking". I probably couldn't do that with a respiratory virus, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Floppo Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, Juxtatarot said: I got a COVID test today. I'll know in two to three days. 6 people at work tested positive last week out of the fifteen or so of us who still come into the office. It's a little odd to me as distancing and mask wearing are followed decently. Although it was mostly in one department (not mine). I'm pretty sure I'm fine. My watch gave me some "productives" this week and today I'm "peaking". I probably couldn't do that with a respiratory virus, right? Gl. My boss's kids' babysitter came down with it...found out on Monday. I ended up wearing a mask at home and sleeping on the sofa the next two days until I heard he'd tested negative. I'm definitely not peaking on my runs this week... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushdocda Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, Juxtatarot said: I got a COVID test today. I'll know in two to three days. 6 people at work tested positive last week out of the fifteen or so of us who still come into the office. It's a little odd to me as distancing and mask wearing are followed decently. Although it was mostly in one department (not mine). I'm pretty sure I'm fine. My watch gave me some "productives" this week and today I'm "peaking". I probably couldn't do that with a respiratory virus, right? Good luck. Hopefully just a precaution. Let me know if you have any questions but if you need a doctor, ask Share. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zasada Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 17 hours ago, Juxtatarot said: I got a COVID test today. I'll know in two to three days. 6 people at work tested positive last week out of the fifteen or so of us who still come into the office. It's a little odd to me as distancing and mask wearing are followed decently. Although it was mostly in one department (not mine). I'm pretty sure I'm fine. My watch gave me some "productives" this week and today I'm "peaking". I probably couldn't do that with a respiratory virus, right? Would love @gianmarco's opinion, but my not-a-doctor personal opinion is that I'll know when I've got the COVID because my (almost) daily run will feel unusually hard. It's tough to imagine having a respiratory illness and being able to run normally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianmarco Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 17 hours ago, Juxtatarot said: I got a COVID test today. I'll know in two to three days. 6 people at work tested positive last week out of the fifteen or so of us who still come into the office. It's a little odd to me as distancing and mask wearing are followed decently. Although it was mostly in one department (not mine). I'm pretty sure I'm fine. My watch gave me some "productives" this week and today I'm "peaking". I probably couldn't do that with a respiratory virus, right? Could you do it with a respiratory virus? Sure, if you're not having any symptoms, which some people who get Covid experience. Could you do it with a respiratory virus and having symptoms? Probably not, but it just depends on severity of symptoms and how big a BMF you are. For example, @JShare87 PRd a marathon while sick with fever thanks to a little ibuprofen and a whole lot of BMFery. Hopefully you just remain negative and it's all moot. Either way, your runs have been amazing lately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonfred Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) how to never recover from your run Edited January 24 by bostonfred fixed link 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Floppo Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 52 minutes ago, bostonfred said: how to never recover from your run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Floppo Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 No run today. Slept in and had to take floppinho to tennis. Took an impromptu nap yesterday afternoon as well...have just been feeling tired (and hungry) lately. Put 35m in this week, so kinda on target, But I still feel like I cheated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Floppo Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Which of us is RB from Folsom? Been following along, and seeing some nice continuity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianmarco Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, El Floppo said: Which of us is RB from Folsom? Been following along, and seeing some nice continuity @OrganizedChaos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianmarco Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 9 minutes ago, El Floppo said: Yeah, same. Missing something? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonfred Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 10 minutes ago, El Floppo said: Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juxtatarot Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Up to 8 positives in my office now. Spreading much easier than I would have predicted from what I've read. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC_32 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, bostonfred said: how to never recover from your run I had one of those cramps while my wife and I were getting after it about 10 years ago. I would wish that experience on my mortal enemies, but no one beyond that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianmarco Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 40 minutes ago, bostonfred said: Fixed Whew. I thought I needed to take my wife camping. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Floppo Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 minutes ago, gianmarco said: Whew. I thought I needed to take my wife camping. Yeah...close call there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Floppo Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 43 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said: Up to 8 positives in my office now. Spreading much easier than I would have predicted from what I've read. You've read that the corona virus doesn't spread easily? Huh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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