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Yeah, that's what overachievers say.....One of my all-time favorite quotes: "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark."
Yeah, that's what overachievers say.....One of my all-time favorite quotes: "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark."
Love the quote as well, but repeated failure would be the fast track to quitting -- at least for me.One of my all-time favorite quotes: "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark."
I can honestly say that I have never finished a race and thought “that wasn’t that hard, I should have gone faster.”One of my all-time favorite quotes: "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark."
I bet you will if you only shoot for 2:49 in Indy...I can honestly say that I have never finished a race and thought “that wasn’t that hard, I should have gone faster.”
Man, you just hit it on the head for me.But perhaps the way to look at it is the work one puts in before the race. To that end, the question is how much time and effort do we want to put into this? How important are race times?
Whoops, sorry, "not walking" during any section of my 2nd marathon was definitely the hardest running thing I have done. Even more than 2,500mi in 2020. Every ounce of my body wanted to walk during the last 8K of that race.I can honestly say that I have never finished a race and thought “that wasn’t that hard, I should have gone faster.”
That’s kind of crazy. I looked at the 50-54 AG results for Chicago ‘19 and there were only 11 under 2:50 and only 3 were Americans.I bet you will if you only shoot for 2:49 in Indy...
So why shouldn't one of them be you? Time to put your balls on the table and go for sub-2:45 or something.That’s kind of crazy. I looked at the 50-54 AG results for Chicago ‘19 and there were only 11 under 2:50 and only 3 were Americans.
If you placed top 3 out of Americans running Chicago in your AG..... Holy Schmokes.That’s kind of crazy. I looked at the 50-54 AG results for Chicago ‘19 and there were only 11 under 2:50 and only 3 were Americans.
Further, I think you should look into getting a coach. You're at that level where I think it would be worth the relatively minor expense. I'd recommend mine.So why shouldn't one of them be you? Time to put your balls on the table and go for sub-2:45 or something.
You just knocked out in AG record of Sam C. I don't doubt your ability to be in the mix with some of the top AG runners.That’s kind of crazy. I looked at the 50-54 AG results for Chicago ‘19 and there were only 11 under 2:50 and only 3 were Americans.
Thanks, I’ll think about it. I’ve done well doing my own thing though so I have some reluctance to change too much. Although I know I don’t do things the way I am supposed to.Further, I think you should look into getting a coach. You're at that level where I think it would be worth the relatively minor expense. I'd recommend mine.
You can 'go' faster than that.I hit 116 when I walk to the bathroom.
I'm thinking about quitting my job too.Thanks, I’ll think about it. I’ve done well doing my own thing though so I have some reluctance to change too much. Although I know I don’t do things the way I am supposed to.
This is the first time I’ve mentioned this to anyone but I’ve also thought about quitting my job if I got much better to seriously train as a #1 priority but I’m getting ahead of myself now.
I'm wanting to pop the full marathon cherry this year so I've upped the mileage to get used to a bigger load. I dont have a plan yet for training and need to figure that out.Also, @xulf, haven't seen you in a little bit in here. But you're really stacking on the miles lately. Two weeks over 40 followed by 3 weeks in the 50's. Forgot, you training for something?
YoloScary trend lately of runners here leaving work, though.....
I don't know if I can see you taking well to a coach telling you how to train *. That said, if you were looking to up your game, I think that an emphasis needs to be placed on the mental aspects. You mentioned in your recent HM that you thought about quitting at mile 8. I know you've dropped out of some races in recent years. That part worries me more than the physical training ...developing the Shalane "going to f### s### up attitude."Thanks, I’ll think about it. I’ve done well doing my own thing though so I have some reluctance to change too much. Although I know I don’t do things the way I am supposed to.
This is the first time I’ve mentioned this to anyone but I’ve also thought about quitting my job if I got much better to seriously train as a #1 priority but I’m getting ahead of myself now.
Where were you with this quote when I shot for sub 3 hours for my first marathon!?!? Some friend you are.One of my all-time favorite quotes: "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark."
From this thread? Probably just you.Anyone else gonna run this fine morning?
Running? In the morning? Why would anyone do that to himself.Anyone else gonna run this fine morning?
Trying to motivate myself. I think I’ll hit the recycling center. And if it’s not raining afterwards, then I’ll go run.Anyone else gonna run this fine morning?
I always run on Saturdays. Some friend you are too! Jeez! Just knocked out 13 with 8 at marathon pace (6:54). That was a struggle.From this thread? Probably just you.
Nice!I always run on Saturdays. Some friend you are too! Jeez! Just knocked out 13 with 8 at marathon pace (6:54). That was a struggle.
Nope. MRI this morning. Hopefully if it comes back negative (for a stress fracture), I'll be running soon.Anyone else gonna run this fine morning?
It's currently warming up from the high 30s to low 40s. Preemptive #### you to any of you who started to think I should reply and tell him that's perfect running weather.Anyone else gonna run this fine morning?
I know you mean it from a place of love. Enjoy that perfect running weather.It's currently warming up from the high 30s to low 40s. Preemptive #### you to any of you who started to think I should reply and tell him that's perfect running weather.
And.....its raining. I’ll get out later,Trying to motivate myself. I think I’ll hit the recycling center. And if it’s not raining afterwards, then I’ll go run.
I did my long one yesterday too. Baseball and track this morning. Baseball this afternoon. Chicago beef & beers (WITH NO KIDS!!!) tonight. Just need to muster up the energy for an easy 45 minutes sometime in between sports today then off tomorrow.Tomorrow is my wife’s first Mother’s Day, so I moved my schedule up a day so I won’t have to run. Did my long run yesterday (12-mile progression), so all I’ve got today is an easy 8. Not really much else going on today, so I’m not in a rush to get out there.
At least I'm avoiding the greater danger then. I can honestly say I have never hit my A goal for a raceOne of my all-time favorite quotes: "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark."
You ran 13 miles in almost the same time as my 7.25 miles.I always run on Saturdays. Some friend you are too! Jeez! Just knocked out 13 with 8 at marathon pace (6:54). That was a struggle.
Your watch says you averaged 123 HR at 8:32 pace. That doesn't seem right from the description you give even with effects of a cold. Also, your HR didn't seem to go up much when going over the bridge either time like one might expect. Are you wearing the watch tight?Skipped yesterday's recovery run because of my cold.
Planned on going 13-15 this morning, but as soon as I settled into my cruising pace, m3 or so, I knew I needed to shut it down. Breathing was a mucusy disaster and I just felt like ####. Cut it short into my usual two bridge run of 6.5ish.
First time running without the phone though. It was strange seeing some really odd pace on the phone at times...12+. I know I was running off today, but not that off. Also interesting to see the HR, which I fully expected to be spiking due to the breathing issues.maybe that was off too (lower than expected). But other than a couple moments where I'd usually snap a picture, it was nice not holding it.
No idea about how well I'm wearing the watch. Feels snug, but not too...isn't slipping around on my wrist. I have the 45- maybe it's not as accurate?Your watch says you averaged 123 HR at 8:32 pace. That doesn't seem right from the description you give even with effects of a cold. Also, your HR didn't seem to go up much when going over the bridge either time like one might expect. Are you wearing the watch tight?
I'm going to come at this from a different perspective than most others here having just done my first one a few months ago, watching my wife do Hanson's (whereas I didn't but I'm doing it now).So, uh...what should my GMP be?
It looks like on Hansons plan you never run more 16 miles for a long run. How do you make it / be prepared for the other 10+
The answer is simple...So, uh...what should my GMP be?
It looks like on Hansons plan you never run more 16 miles for a long run. How do you make it / be prepared for the other 10+
Calc says you can run a 3:30 marathon (8:02 pace).So, uh...what should my GMP be?
It looks like on Hansons plan you never run more 16 miles for a long run. How do you make it / be prepared for the other 10+
Maybe it’s right. Great if it is!No idea about how well I'm wearing the watch. Feels snug, but not too...isn't slipping around on my wrist. I have the 45- maybe it's not as accurate?
I vaguely recall racing in the 140-60 range in my tri days wearing my Polar with chest strap, so 120-30s sounds about right for non SoS run. But like you said, it should be escalating on the climbs (I think it did, but not much), so maybe something's off. I'll wear it tighter tomorrow and see what happens.
Everything @gianmarco said is great. I would listen carefully to the point about race day being different. Assuming this is your first marathon, my advice would be to start out slow. Whatever you GMP is, add 20-30 seconds for the first 3-5 miles. Ease into your GMP. Don’t worry about leaving time on the course. I don’t think that’s possible in a marathon. Like @gianmarco, I am no where near as knowledgeable or experienced as some in here. You are so talented, I’m excited to see what you can do.So, uh...what should my GMP be?
It looks like on Hansons plan you never run more 16 miles for a long run. How do you make it / be prepared for the other 10+
Yan nailed it. Use a race equivalent chart to get started and you can refine +/- after the first chunk before the MP runs get longer. The book is very helpful. Having used it a few times, I’d advise to be conservative on the speed paces, I ran them too hard and think 10k ish pace for those is better for me than 5k ish. The long run of 16 miles is a guideline that can be misinterpreted. It’s a combination of time/miles that they recommend not exceeding as it can overly detrimental to recovery for some.So, uh...what should my GMP be?
It looks like on Hansons plan you never run more 16 miles for a long run. How do you make it / be prepared for the other 10+