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3 hours ago, -OZ- said:

Just finished. Overall I'm pleased. Windy, so the swim was choppy. Legs felt great on the bike but I definitely felt the lack of endurance. Felt surprisingly decent on the run, but then the legs wouldn't move. I had no delusions here but wanted sub 6 which I got (5:34:17) And I ACTUALLY RAN THE RIGHT COURSE :excited:

 

Oh, 2nd place in the 45-49 AG

Awesome job

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49 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

@MAC_32

Not sure when exactly the surgery is scheduled for, but good luck.  Hope you're back "running hard" soon.

Tuesday. I wanted to race this weekend, but to my surprise there wasn't anything around here. Yet next weekend there are several. C'est la'vie, so instead I did my two longest runs since the accident this week...and still didn't crack the top 10 on the leaderboard. Bunch animals. 

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1 hour ago, MAC_32 said:

Tuesday. I wanted to race this weekend, but to my surprise there wasn't anything around here. Yet next weekend there are several. C'est la'vie, so instead I did my two longest runs since the accident this week...and still didn't crack the top 10 on the leaderboard. Bunch animals. 

Stop running so fast.

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35 minutes ago, ChiefD said:

In all seriousness, you guys have problems with your nipples when you run?

You related to Farrah Faucett?

No.

We just like bandaids and lube. 

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1 hour ago, JShare87 said:

Stop running so fast.

:lol:

I train to time; not miles. Not every workout, but most of them. i.e. today was 2 hours and strong finish if my HR is under control through the first half (it was). However many miles I travel over that time is how far I run.

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I probably overdid it last week with so many longer runs, and going out too fast at the start of a couple didn't help.  So I took some rest, did a little speed work yesterday then did a 90 minute MAF run on the treadmill tonight, just finish wherever I am after an hour and a half. Feel good, could have gone further.  Will try to do the same outdoors when the weather permits.  Zero interest in running outside in the rain and having blisters all week from running with soaking wet socks. 

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1 hour ago, ChiefD said:

In all seriousness, you guys have problems with your nipples when you run?

You related to Farrah Faucett?

Oh, yeah. If it might rain or I'm running for 80+ mins it's auto-lube every time.

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14 minutes ago, xulf said:

Nipple guys - just take your shirt off if there is any inkling of a potential issue :shrug:

One of my fitness goals as someone who has lost a bunch of weight and still has more to lose is to get to a point where I feel comfortable running outside without a shirt and look good doing it.  That probably sounds like a weird goal but it was unimaginable for a long time.  I still wouldn't do it today but I envy those of you who can and plan to get there some day.

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The transition from running to biking allowed me to not have my body be the limiting factor on how much I exercise. So roughly a year later, let's see how that has gone. Mileage isn't a fair comparison so I'm looking at hours of activity since I've been on Strava. 

2017 - 143 hours 

2018 - 137 hours 

2019 - 134 hours 

2020 - 217 hours 

2021 (5 months) - 143 hours 

I wish I could say that I'll felt in better shape given those numbers. I definitely feel fit and the belt is finally back on the tightest notch, so I'm content with the progress, but I'm kind of going through the motions many days. I like cycling but don't look forward to it as much as I did running. 

Also at a year in, I'm pretty average at it. Only accomplishment of note is having top ten standings for both running and cycling strava segments at the lake path by my house. 

Nonetheless, I enjoy setting my own challenges and it is nice to not worry about my leg every single workout. Just wish there were a few more events to anchor on. 

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18 minutes ago, Brony said:

The transition from running to biking allowed me to not have my body be the limiting factor on how much I exercise. So roughly a year later, let's see how that has gone. Mileage isn't a fair comparison so I'm looking at hours of activity since I've been on Strava. 

2017 - 143 hours 

2018 - 137 hours 

2019 - 134 hours 

2020 - 217 hours 

2021 (5 months) - 143 hours 

I wish I could say that I'll felt in better shape given those numbers. I definitely feel fit and the belt is finally back on the tightest notch, so I'm content with the progress, but I'm kind of going through the motions many days. I like cycling but don't look forward to it as much as I did running. 

Also at a year in, I'm pretty average at it. Only accomplishment of note is having top ten standings for both running and cycling strava segments at the lake path by my house. 

Nonetheless, I enjoy setting my own challenges and it is nice to not worry about my leg every single workout. Just wish there were a few more events to anchor on. 

The best way to learn to ride faster is to ride with a group, ime. the accountability also keeps you honest on days you want to bail. Are there any local clubs or groups you can join?

 

Eta...regardless- great consistency and keeping at it. And fantastic staying with things when running stopped being an option :thumbup: 

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1 hour ago, lumpy19 said:

Good recommendation, I sweated all over these babies this morning and they held up great.

It doesn't sound like you even went running either.

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19 minutes ago, Brony said:

The transition from running to biking allowed me to not have my body be the limiting factor on how much I exercise. So roughly a year later, let's see how that has gone. Mileage isn't a fair comparison so I'm looking at hours of activity since I've been on Strava. 

2017 - 143 hours 

2018 - 137 hours 

2019 - 134 hours 

2020 - 217 hours 

2021 (5 months) - 143 hours 

I wish I could say that I'll felt in better shape given those numbers. I definitely feel fit and the belt is finally back on the tightest notch, so I'm content with the progress, but I'm kind of going through the motions many days. I like cycling but don't look forward to it as much as I did running. 

Also at a year in, I'm pretty average at it. Only accomplishment of note is having top ten standings for both running and cycling strava segments at the lake path by my house. 

Nonetheless, I enjoy setting my own challenges and it is nice to not worry about my leg every single workout. Just wish there were a few more events to anchor on. 

I've been loving seeing you consistently out there. I wish it was more fulfilling for you.

Are you able to run at all? Have you tried again?

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1 hour ago, Brony said:

The transition from running to biking allowed me to not have my body be the limiting factor on how much I exercise. So roughly a year later, let's see how that has gone. Mileage isn't a fair comparison so I'm looking at hours of activity since I've been on Strava. 

2017 - 143 hours 

2018 - 137 hours 

2019 - 134 hours 

2020 - 217 hours 

2021 (5 months) - 143 hours 

I wish I could say that I'll felt in better shape given those numbers. I definitely feel fit and the belt is finally back on the tightest notch, so I'm content with the progress, but I'm kind of going through the motions many days. I like cycling but don't look forward to it as much as I did running. 

Also at a year in, I'm pretty average at it. Only accomplishment of note is having top ten standings for both running and cycling strava segments at the lake path by my house. 

Nonetheless, I enjoy setting my own challenges and it is nice to not worry about my leg every single workout. Just wish there were a few more events to anchor on. 

This is awesome!  I like seeing your rides and how you are much more active. 

 

I know gear has a lot to do with cycling prowess, so don't short sell yourself if you aren't riding in a $7,000 frame with high end gears, etc.

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2 hours ago, gianmarco said:

I've been loving seeing you consistently out there. I wish it was more fulfilling for you.

Are you able to run at all? Have you tried again?

It's been mentally easier if I just block running from things I could/should do (in addition to dancing, cocaine, and making TikTok videos).

I've thought about it recently - I could probably do 2 miles here and there. Debating if this would be a good thing or bad thing. 

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2 hours ago, El Floppo said:

The best way to learn to ride faster is to ride with a group, ime. the accountability also keeps you honest on days you want to bail. Are there any local clubs or groups you can join?

 

Eta...regardless- great consistency and keeping at it. And fantastic staying with things when running stopped being an option :thumbup: 

I've recently thought about looking into this. Seems a little tricky to find a group with the right schedule, pace and most importantly temperament. Maybe I should put up one of those "looking for a bass player" flyers at the local breweries with my phone number on strips at the bottom? 

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After my 90 minute MAF shuffle on the treadmill last night and some yoga earlier today I wanted to get out and run outside, but keep it slower so I didn't overdo it after last week after too many long runs in a row. I ended up walking a few times last week which is not something I needed to do before but my legs were jelly.  So I went very slow up the big hills and didn't really push myself until the last mile.  Could definitely have gone faster today and finished without walking but I think I just set a two day milage record for myself or very close to it so I'm pretty happy to feel good afterwards. Will eat some protein and maybe have a glass then sleep well tonight.  

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5 minutes ago, Brony said:

I've recently thought about looking into this. Seems a little tricky to find a group with the right schedule, pace and most importantly temperament. Maybe I should put up one of those "looking for a bass player" flyers at the local breweries with my phone number on strips at the bottom? 

I think you can just show up to some of them and ride, or try tinder 

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14 minutes ago, Brony said:

It's been mentally easier if I just block running from things I could/should do (in addition to dancing, cocaine, and making TikTok videos).

I've thought about it recently - I could probably do 2 miles here and there. Debating if this would be a good thing or bad thing. 

I don’t know the history of your injury but I spent last summer biking and running specifically to avoid injury and the alternating really helped mentally, it was great doing something different every day(and I avoided injury)

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24 minutes ago, Brony said:

It's been mentally easier if I just block running from things I could/should do (in addition to dancing, cocaine, and making TikTok videos).

I've thought about it recently - I could probably do 2 miles here and there. Debating if this would be a good thing or bad thing. 

Just my 2 cents, I think it would be a great thing. Don’t let anything/anyone stop you from something you love doing.

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1 hour ago, JShare87 said:

Just my 2 cents, I think it would be a great thing. Don’t let anything/anyone stop you from something you love doing.

Thanks GB. Yeah, not much down side in trying. I just don't want to re-live the experience of injury, rest, rehab and reinjure. 

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11 hours ago, El Floppo said:

This is the biggest motivator to keep getting out there, and unfortunately keeps me going out even when injured.  

I'm so afraid of losing all that work I put in over the last X months/years.  Just soul-crushing to me.  Mentally, I just can't handle the idea of starting over again.

Have an appointment with a new PT on Friday.  This guy is an actual Dr (of PT) and a running specialist (his whole practice is dedicated to runners).  Unfortunately he isn't covered by my insurance, but my wife gave me the OK to spend out-of-pocket on him.  She's seen how this injury has impacted me mentally over the last ~month, and thankfully supports the discretionary spend.

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9 minutes ago, Zasada said:

This is the biggest motivator to keep getting out there, and unfortunately keeps me going out even when injured.  

I'm so afraid of losing all that work I put in over the last X months/years.  Just soul-crushing to me.  Mentally, I just can't handle the idea of starting over again.

Have an appointment with a new PT on Friday.  This guy is a running specialist (his whole practice is dedicated to runners).  Unfortunately he isn't covered by my insurance, but my wife gave me the OK to spend out-of-pocket on him.  She seen how this injury has impacted me mentally over the last ~month, and thankfully supports the discretionary spend.

This sounds like the absolute right plan.

When I was training for my IM, my foot started to really hurt. Turns out my tendon was pulling the bones apart in my left foot (residue of long term soccer ankle injuries). I saw some podiatrists in network (with little old ladies in the waiting room) who all said I needed to shut it the whole thing down for 2-3 months- essentially the rest of the training.

Was recommended to another guy out of network who was a multiple IM and marathon finisher- first thing he says to me "I know you're not going to shut this down, so let's get you to the start and finish line healthy and respectable". He was able to directly influence how I trained those next few months because he understood exactly what was needed in relation to both the injury and the specific race training. That made all the difference- a guy used to treating fellow idiots...I mean endurance athletes...vs people used to treating old ladies' bunions.

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1 minute ago, El Floppo said:

This sounds like the absolute right plan.

When I was training for my IM, my foot started to really hurt. Turns out my tendon was pulling the bones apart in my left foot (residue of long term soccer ankle injuries). I saw some podiatrists in network (with little old ladies in the waiting room) who all said I needed to shut it the whole thing down for 2-3 months- essentially the rest of the training.

Was recommended to another guy out of network who was a multiple IM and marathon finisher- first thing he says to me "I know you're not going to shut this down, so let's get you to the start and finish line healthy and respectable". He was able to directly influence how I trained those next few months because he understood exactly what was needed in relation to both the injury and the specific race training. That made all the difference- a guy used to treating fellow idiots...I mean endurance athletes...vs people used to treating old ladies' bunions.

100% this.  Other PT told me to rest.  This guy on the phone already said that he'll first try to find a way to treat while I keep running.  He gets it.  Gives me confidence that he speaks my language.  He's also a ~3hr marathoner.  Not that being a marathoner is a requirement for being a good PT, but just more confidence that he's been through training and knows what's it's like.

I'm actually open to shutting things down (after trying to treat while running), but I just want to be as sure (as one can be) that it will be time well-spent.  That I'm doing the right exercises/treatments during the down time and it won't be one of those airline "rolling delay" things.  I already took 3 weeks off running, and that bought me just under one pain-free run.  I don't want to do that again.

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How's this for desperation?  Despite suspect science behind them, I bought compression socks.  And then I finally broke down and bought a pair of Oofos.  

Pretty soon I'm going to be consulting with astrologists and the QAnon shaman.

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Just now, Zasada said:

How's this for desperation?  Despite suspect science behind them, I bought compression socks.  And then I finally broke down and bought a pair of Oofos.  

Pretty soon I'm going to be consulting with astrologists and the QAnon shaman.

Don't forget the chiropractors...

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32 minutes ago, Zasada said:

How's this for desperation?  Despite suspect science behind them, I bought compression socks.  And then I finally broke down and bought a pair of Oofos.  

Pretty soon I'm going to be consulting with astrologists and the QAnon shaman.

He's ready, @gianmarco.  Send him the membership certificate and his secret decoder ring.

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51 minutes ago, Zasada said:

How's this for desperation?  Despite suspect science behind them, I bought compression socks.  And then I finally broke down and bought a pair of Oofos.  

Pretty soon I'm going to be consulting with astrologists and the QAnon shaman.

The socks and Oofos work.

 

Can't speak of QAnon or whether my horoscope is right.

 

 

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On 5/30/2021 at 4:17 AM, gruecd said:

Looks like @SayWhat?is out in Cali for Western States Training Camp this weekend. Part of me would like to do this race someday. The other part of me says “hot…and 100 miles.”

Man, such a fun weekend!  Anyone can sign up for 1, 2, or all 3 days of the training runs and I can see why they do.  Great atmosphere and fun times.  Three runs covering the last 70 miles of the WSER course.  
 

SATURDAY (Robinson Flat to Foresthill) - Started the weekend out with 30 miles over the toughest part of the course...especially for a midwestern flatlander.  I can’t believe the descents out here.  I looked down at my watch at mile 15 of this run and I had a whooping 500 feet of climbing...with 5,000 feet of descending. :eek:  Then you proceed to climb out of three separate canyons over the next 15 miles, which accounted for about 4,500 feet of ascent and another 2,500 descending, for 5K of vert and 7.5K of descending on the day.  The temps were reasonable in the mid 80s, but I can see where the canyons will be scalding on race day.   I took the time to dunk myself in a couple of the rivers/creeks for a couple minutes at the bottom of each canyon and plan to do so during the race.

SUNDAY (Foresthill to Rucky Chucky River Crossing) - Another 18 miles on Sunday, in a pretty runable section though with temps now in the mid 90s.  This section starts out with a nice long 2-3 mile descent once you leave Foresthill with a few shorter climbs overall in this section.  I didn’t at all love the running/hiking near the end of this days run on exposed fire road.  The fact that the last five miles or so of this section also parallels the river, a river I so desperately wanted to immerse myself in, is a bit of torture.  Final tally, 2.5K ascent and 4K descent.

MONDAY (above Green Gate to the Finish) - Well I must admit, the prospect of another 22 miles in temps approaching 100 degrees on pretty sore legs wasn’t all that exciting when I awoke.  But I traveled this far, so time to get after it.  The message from anyone who has done this race us that there’s quite a bit of runable terrain in this section if you’ve not trashed your quads too much.  Now I get it.  There’s an especially nice six mile stretch that I’ll need to make good time on as the finish nears, because the end of the race features a couple tough climbs in what will most definitely be some slow survival miles.  This section was about 2.7K of climbing and 3.6K of descending.

TAKEAWAYS - Going to have to manage the legs incredibly well.  Those multi-mile descents are unlike anything I’ve experienced before, and I can see how that can lead to extreme problems as early as the middle of the race.  The canyons are going to be hot and brutal.  I’m hoping to come out of the high country at mile 30 feeling as well as I can, then just survive the canyons and hope I’ve got legs to run as much of the last 40 miles as I can when I pick up my pacer(s).  Finally, I can’t imagine the mental fortitude it took for @SFBayDuck to survive the snowy high country, blistering heat during the canyons, and to do so battling the cutoffs knowing what lies ahead.  That could be an easy course to panic on and I can see where the task would seem impossible.  Major props to that guy.  I knew that was an incredible feat, but have such a deeper understanding now of what a boss performance that was now that I’ve touched on the course a bit.  Damn.  Going to keep that in my back pocket for when I need that motivation and extra drive on race day.  
 

 

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5 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

Man, such a fun weekend!  Anyone can sign up for 1, 2, or all 3 days of the training runs and I can see why they do.  Great atmosphere and fun times.  Three runs covering the last 70 miles of the WSER course.  
 

SATURDAY (Robinson Flat to Foresthill) - Started the weekend out with 30 miles over the toughest part of the course...especially for a midwestern flatlander.  I can’t believe the descents out here.  I looked down at my watch at mile 15 of this run and I had a whooping 500 feet of climbing...with 5,000 feet of descending. :eek:  Then you proceed to climb out of three separate canyons over the next 15 miles, which accounted for about 4,500 feet of ascent and another 2,500 descending, for 5K of vert and 7.5K of descending on the day.  The temps were reasonable in the mid 80s, but I can see where the canyons will be scalding on race day.   I took the time to dunk myself in a couple of the rivers/creeks for a couple minutes at the bottom of each canyon and plan to do so during the race.

SUNDAY (Foresthill to Rucky Chucky River Crossing) - Another 18 miles on Sunday, in a pretty runable section though with temps now in the mid 90s.  This section starts out with a nice long 2-3 mile descent once you leave Foresthill with a few shorter climbs overall in this section.  I didn’t at all love the running/hiking near the end of this days run on exposed fire road.  The fact that the last five miles or so of this section also parallels the river, a river I so desperately wanted to immerse myself in, is a bit of torture.  Final tally, 2.5K ascent and 4K descent.

MONDAY (above Green Gate to the Finish) - Well I must admit, the prospect of another 22 miles in temps approaching 100 degrees on pretty sore legs wasn’t all that exciting when I awoke.  But I traveled this far, so time to get after it.  The message from anyone who has done this race us that there’s quite a bit of runable terrain in this section if you’ve not trashed your quads too much.  Now I get it.  There’s an especially nice six mile stretch that I’ll need to make good time on as the finish nears, because the end of the race features a couple tough climbs in what will most definitely be some slow survival miles.  This section was about 2.7K of climbing and 3.6K of descending.

TAKEAWAYS - Going to have to manage the legs incredibly well.  Those multi-mile descents are unlike anything I’ve experienced before, and I can see how that can lead to extreme problems as early as the middle of the race.  The canyons are going to be hot and brutal.  I’m hoping to come out of the high country at mile 30 feeling as well as I can, then just survive the canyons and hope I’ve got legs to run as much of the last 40 miles as I can when I pick up my pacer(s).  Finally, I can’t imagine the mental fortitude it took for @SFBayDuck to survive the snowy high country, blistering heat during the canyons, and to do so battling the cutoffs knowing what lies ahead.  That could be an easy course to panic on and I can see where the task would seem impossible.  Major props to that guy.  I knew that was an incredible feat, but have such a deeper understanding now of what a boss performance that was now that I’ve touched on the course a bit.  Damn.  Going to keep that in my back pocket for when I need that motivation and extra drive on race day.  
 

 

Two things:

1. Eff That.

2. When is the race. Can't wait to follow along. :headbang:

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1 hour ago, Zasada said:

How's this for desperation?  Despite suspect science behind them, I bought compression socks.  And then I finally broke down and bought a pair of Oofos.  

Pretty soon I'm going to be consulting with astrologists and the QAnon shaman.

I get the science skepticism, but those socks sure feel like they work 

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3 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

I get the science skepticism, but those socks sure feel like they work 

Yeah based on testimonials here (for the socks, and especially for the Oofos), I decided to give both a go.  I've done a week of running with the socks and the sandals come tonight.

Can't hurt, right?

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59 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

SATURDAY (Robinson Flat to Foresthill) - Started the weekend out with 30 miles over the toughest part of the course...especially for a midwestern flatlander.  I can’t believe the descents out here.  I looked down at my watch at mile 15 of this run and I had a whooping 500 feet of climbing...with 5,000 feet of descending. :eek:  Then you proceed to climb out of three separate canyons over the next 15 miles, which accounted for about 4,500 feet of ascent and another 2,500 descending, for 5K of vert and 7.5K of descending on the day.  The temps were reasonable in the mid 80s, but I can see where the canyons will be scalding on race day.   I took the time to dunk myself in a couple of the rivers/creeks for a couple minutes at the bottom of each canyon and plan to do so during the race.

Am I reading this right, that there are about ten miles of 9 percent grade uphill in the second 15 miles as well as about five equally steep miles of downhill?

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13 hours ago, El Floppo said:

This is the biggest motivator to keep getting out there, and unfortunately keeps me going out even when injured.  

I'm so afraid of losing all that work I put in over the last X months/years.  Just soul-crushing to me.  Mentally, I just can't handle the idea of starting over again.

I'll be honest... That got me out today for my hill repeats when I really wasn't feeling it. And the repeats reflect it- all over the place... But at least I got them done.

I need a next race or goal pdq.

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1 hour ago, SayWhat? said:

Man, such a fun weekend!  Anyone can sign up for 1, 2, or all 3 days of the training runs and I can see why they do.  Great atmosphere and fun times.  Three runs covering the last 70 miles of the WSER course.  
 

SATURDAY (Robinson Flat to Foresthill) - Started the weekend out with 30 miles over the toughest part of the course...especially for a midwestern flatlander.  I can’t believe the descents out here.  I looked down at my watch at mile 15 of this run and I had a whooping 500 feet of climbing...with 5,000 feet of descending. :eek:  Then you proceed to climb out of three separate canyons over the next 15 miles, which accounted for about 4,500 feet of ascent and another 2,500 descending, for 5K of vert and 7.5K of descending on the day.  The temps were reasonable in the mid 80s, but I can see where the canyons will be scalding on race day.   I took the time to dunk myself in a couple of the rivers/creeks for a couple minutes at the bottom of each canyon and plan to do so during the race.

SUNDAY (Foresthill to Rucky Chucky River Crossing) - Another 18 miles on Sunday, in a pretty runable section though with temps now in the mid 90s.  This section starts out with a nice long 2-3 mile descent once you leave Foresthill with a few shorter climbs overall in this section.  I didn’t at all love the running/hiking near the end of this days run on exposed fire road.  The fact that the last five miles or so of this section also parallels the river, a river I so desperately wanted to immerse myself in, is a bit of torture.  Final tally, 2.5K ascent and 4K descent.

MONDAY (above Green Gate to the Finish) - Well I must admit, the prospect of another 22 miles in temps approaching 100 degrees on pretty sore legs wasn’t all that exciting when I awoke.  But I traveled this far, so time to get after it.  The message from anyone who has done this race us that there’s quite a bit of runable terrain in this section if you’ve not trashed your quads too much.  Now I get it.  There’s an especially nice six mile stretch that I’ll need to make good time on as the finish nears, because the end of the race features a couple tough climbs in what will most definitely be some slow survival miles.  This section was about 2.7K of climbing and 3.6K of descending.

TAKEAWAYS - Going to have to manage the legs incredibly well.  Those multi-mile descents are unlike anything I’ve experienced before, and I can see how that can lead to extreme problems as early as the middle of the race.  The canyons are going to be hot and brutal.  I’m hoping to come out of the high country at mile 30 feeling as well as I can, then just survive the canyons and hope I’ve got legs to run as much of the last 40 miles as I can when I pick up my pacer(s).  Finally, I can’t imagine the mental fortitude it took for @SFBayDuck to survive the snowy high country, blistering heat during the canyons, and to do so battling the cutoffs knowing what lies ahead.  That could be an easy course to panic on and I can see where the task would seem impossible.  Major props to that guy.  I knew that was an incredible feat, but have such a deeper understanding now of what a boss performance that was now that I’ve touched on the course a bit.  Damn.  Going to keep that in my back pocket for when I need that motivation and extra drive on race day.  
 

 

So glad you got out there, that training run is such a huge benefit if you haven't seen the course before.  And that big effort basically five weeks out really gives you time to absorb the training as you go into your taper here soon, especially hardening your quads for the downhills.  Don't forget those 10 post-run sauna sessions mid-month to really ramp up your heat adaptation.  And start driving around with the windows up and the heat on.  I think I kept a towel on my car seat for the whole month of June.

47 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

Am I reading this right, that there are about ten miles of 9 percent grade uphill in the second 15 miles as well as about five equally steep miles of downhill?

You can see the elevation profile here.  He's talking about that section from Last Chance through Foresthill, what is known as "The Canyons".  Brutal climbs and descents, and in the still air the heat gets trapped down there on race days with a 95 degree day up top turning into 110 degrees down at the bottom.  There are stream crossings at the bottom of each (which @SayWhat?will be wise to take advantage of on race day), but as refreshing as a dip in those are you're bone dry about a mile up the climb each time.  My tip here is to get some nutrition in about 15-20 minutes before you hit the bottom of each canyon, cool off in the stream, and as you climb the calories should hopefully be through your stomach and be useful.  Or you could be like me on race day and puke your way all the way up Devils Thumb (hint:  I don't recommend that approach).  

This article does a great job of capturing the challenges of this race:  https://www.irunfar.com/the-western-states-killing-machine-part-one

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2 hours ago, ChiefD said:

Two things:

1. Eff That.

2. When is the race. Can't wait to follow along. :headbang:

1. Concur.

2. June 26th   :gulp:

19 minutes ago, SFBayDuck said:

So glad you got out there, that training run is such a huge benefit if you haven't seen the course before.  And that big effort basically five weeks out really gives you time to absorb the training as you go into your taper here soon, especially hardening your quads for the downhills.  Don't forget those 10 post-run sauna sessions mid-month to really ramp up your heat adaptation.  And start driving around with the windows up and the heat on.  I think I kept a towel on my car seat for the whole month of June.

Yeah, I think having seen the course at least now let’s me prepare mentally a bit over the next few weeks.  I believe it’ll better help me avoid a panic when I hit those low spots as well.  And yeah, I don’t get quad training like that in MN, so hopefully that helps come race day.  

Was planning to hammer the sauna sessions over the next two weeks.  And I’ll keep the “windows up, heat on, and towel in hand” concept in mind too you crazy bastard.  :lmao:

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2 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

1. Concur.

2. June 26th   :gulp:

Yeah, I think having seen the course at least now let’s me prepare mentally a bit over the next few weeks.  I believe it’ll better help me avoid a panic when I hit those low spots as well.  And yeah, I don’t get quad training like that in MN, so hopefully that helps come race day.  

Was planning to hammer the sauna sessions over the next two weeks.  And I’ll keep the “windows up, heat on, and towel in hand” concept in mind too you crazy bastard.  :lmao:

Looks like you are gonna have some mid-90's to run in this weekend. Perfect timing actually. 

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1 hour ago, bostonfred said:

Am I reading this right, that there are about ten miles of 9 percent grade uphill in the second 15 miles as well as about five equally steep miles of downhill?

For that section of the 100 mile course, yep.

If you want to read about one of the resident badasses in here, read Duck's race report from this race a few years ago. I'll get the link in a moment. 

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1 minute ago, ChiefD said:

Looks like you are gonna have some mid-90's to run in this weekend. Perfect timing actually. 

Yeah, unfortunately was planning a bit of a recovery week.  But I’ll try to get out for a couple hours for sure.  

Is this your week in northern MN??

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