Ran a 10k - Official Thread

[El Floppo 27,939]

18 hours ago, tri-man 47 said:

New shoes!  I've been running in Saucony Freedom ISO 2's (8.4 oz; 4 mm drop), but they've been replaced with the Freedom 3's, and I wanted to find a lower price point than that $150.

Looking at some of the shoes used here, I tried the Saucony Kinvara (7.8 oz; 4 mm) and New Balance Fuel Cell Rebels (7.2 oz; 6 mm), but neither felt right.

The manager at Fleet Feet suggested the New Balance Beacon v3 (8.2 oz; 6 mm), which felt great.  The other item I wanted to try were the Hoka Clifton 7's (8.7 oz; 5 mm).  The Cliftons felt a little snug going on, but the stride felt awesome in them with a natural forward lean. So I bought both.  NB Beacons priced at $120, and the Hoka Cliftons priced at $130 ...less a $15 FF coupon from racking up runs. As some of you recommend, it can be beneficial to have different brands so the feet can adapt to each and not be in the exact same position every run.  We'll see how that works.

My new clifton 7s are due today or tomorrow. 

AND THE NEW GLOVES!!!11!!!

[MAC_32 12,082]

17 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

Well, looks like we are adding another marathon to the calendar.

More info

The wife is running a HM this weekend and is looking at this race for February.  Her reasons make sense.  First, she's getting a coach for the first time and trying it out to see if it helps.  Second, she wants to train over the colder months instead of the summer.  Third, this race is a downhill race (half the decline as J&J), so it'll give her a preview of what it's like as well as a chance to run a marathon without all the pressure to BQ.  Fourth, it's a little vacation time to get away.  Fifth, it's supposedly a beautiful course as well.

As for me, I don't know what I should do with that.  I actually wouldn't mind running it but I absolutely do not have enough time to train.  I'm hoping to be able to start running again by the beginning of November, but even that will be at least a month just getting back into things, which leaves me only 2 months to train.  That said, being a downhill race, I think I could get through it if I just focus on volume and long runs over the winter. 

Thoughts?

You're answering your own question. If there's a half option then elect it.

[gianmarco 28,012]

3 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

You're answering your own question. If there's a half option then elect it.

I can't hear you.  Anyone else?

/Otis

[bushdocda 3,431]

16 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

Well, looks like we are adding another marathon to the calendar.

More info

The wife is running a HM this weekend and is looking at this race for February.  Her reasons make sense.  First, she's getting a coach for the first time and trying it out to see if it helps.  Second, she wants to train over the colder months instead of the summer.  Third, this race is a downhill race (half the decline as J&J), so it'll give her a preview of what it's like as well as a chance to run a marathon without all the pressure to BQ.  Fourth, it's a little vacation time to get away.  Fifth, it's supposedly a beautiful course as well.

As for me, I don't know what I should do with that.  I actually wouldn't mind running it but I absolutely do not have enough time to train.  I'm hoping to be able to start running again by the beginning of November, but even that will be at least a month just getting back into things, which leaves me only 2 months to train.  That said, being a downhill race, I think I could get through it if I just focus on volume and long runs over the winter. 

Thoughts?

Have you put together any goals/timelines for your desired 2021 training and calendar?  For example, do you want to be ramping up for something in the spring as opposed to recoverering from Mesa. 

[lumpy19 8,260]

21 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

Well, looks like we are adding another marathon to the calendar.

More info

The wife is running a HM this weekend and is looking at this race for February.  Her reasons make sense.  First, she's getting a coach for the first time and trying it out to see if it helps.  Second, she wants to train over the colder months instead of the summer.  Third, this race is a downhill race (half the decline as J&J), so it'll give her a preview of what it's like as well as a chance to run a marathon without all the pressure to BQ.  Fourth, it's a little vacation time to get away.  Fifth, it's supposedly a beautiful course as well.

As for me, I don't know what I should do with that.  I actually wouldn't mind running it but I absolutely do not have enough time to train.  I'm hoping to be able to start running again by the beginning of November, but even that will be at least a month just getting back into things, which leaves me only 2 months to train.  That said, being a downhill race, I think I could get through it if I just focus on volume and long runs over the winter. 

Thoughts?

I mean the last marathon you ran you trained for and it was a disaster, maybe try this one without training and see if it goes better?

[gianmarco 28,012]

9 minutes ago, bushdocda said:

Have you put together any goals/timelines for your desired 2021 training and calendar?  For example, do you want to be ramping up for something in the spring as opposed to recoverering from Mesa. 

Right now, J&J is my goal race.  It's July 24, 2021.  Training for that will start very end of March/beginning of April (I haven't mapped out the exact date yet).  My plan up until then was to work on base training again like last year that got me into a good spot before the stupid knee issue. 

That said, I think the timing of this could work out just fine.  I'm not shooting for a BQ or any certain time.  If I can get some good volume through November, December, January, February (which I did last year), then I feel I can run this without it being an A goal race, recover for a few weeks, and then actually hit my training plan in stride 6 weeks later. 

Worst case, I take it super easy for the first few miles and run it as a long training run (20 miles). 

This will get me out there and make sure I get that volume in.  This little break I've been on has been good but I'm ready to get back out there.  I'll recover from surgery and get back out there with a purpose.

[gianmarco 28,012]

13 minutes ago, lumpy19 said:

I mean the last marathon you ran you trained for and it was a disaster, maybe try this one without training and see if it goes better?

Ouch.

[lumpy19 8,260]

5 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

Ouch.

Too soon?

Being serious I would just sign up for it, will force you to make time to train and get another marathon experience.

Edited October 14, 2020 by lumpy19

[xulf 2,416]

43 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

Well, looks like we are adding another marathon to the calendar.

More info

The wife is running a HM this weekend and is looking at this race for February.  Her reasons make sense.  First, she's getting a coach for the first time and trying it out to see if it helps.  Second, she wants to train over the colder months instead of the summer.  Third, this race is a downhill race (half the decline as J&J), so it'll give her a preview of what it's like as well as a chance to run a marathon without all the pressure to BQ.  Fourth, it's a little vacation time to get away.  Fifth, it's supposedly a beautiful course as well.

As for me, I don't know what I should do with that.  I actually wouldn't mind running it but I absolutely do not have enough time to train.  I'm hoping to be able to start running again by the beginning of November, but even that will be at least a month just getting back into things, which leaves me only 2 months to train.  That said, being a downhill race, I think I could get through it if I just focus on volume and long runs over the winter. 

Thoughts?

If the half and full share a course, do the half while pacing your wife through your finish.

Otherwise, sign up with the goal of running it at 9:30+ pace, like the 20 miler you did.  If you can get through it without any stopping/walking, I would imagine that would feel like a great win and would be doable with that course versus the hilly one you ran.

(Look at me acting like just running a full is no big deal even though I've never come close to that distance).

[gianmarco 28,012]

1 minute ago, xulf said:

If the half and full share a course, do the half while pacing your wife through your finish.

Otherwise, sign up with the goal of running it at 9:30+ pace, like the 20 miler you did.  If you can get through it without any stopping/walking, I would imagine that would feel like a great win and would be doable with that course versus the hilly one you ran.

(Look at me acting like just running a full is no big deal even though I've never come close to that distance).

They start at the same time so the bolded isn't possible.

Yes, that would be my plan to just run it comfortably like that 20 mile long run I did but finish the whole distance.  And that's still a 4:10 time. 

[ChiefD 18,514]

9 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

They start at the same time so the bolded isn't possible.

Yes, that would be my plan to just run it comfortably like that 20 mile long run I did but finish the whole distance.  And that's still a 4:10 time. 

I think you will find that training in the winter for a spring half may suit you better.  But, in my opinion, if you are going to do it, do it right and go through as full of a cycle as you can.   Just adjust your time goal.

You should then have plenty of time to recover before your next cycle for Jack and Jill. Which you will then crush with all that base built up and the knowledge of a second marathon under your belt.

[Juxtatarot 11,205]

1 hour ago, gianmarco said:

Well, looks like we are adding another marathon to the calendar.

More info

The wife is running a HM this weekend and is looking at this race for February.  Her reasons make sense.  First, she's getting a coach for the first time and trying it out to see if it helps.  Second, she wants to train over the colder months instead of the summer.  Third, this race is a downhill race (half the decline as J&J), so it'll give her a preview of what it's like as well as a chance to run a marathon without all the pressure to BQ.  Fourth, it's a little vacation time to get away.  Fifth, it's supposedly a beautiful course as well.

As for me, I don't know what I should do with that.  I actually wouldn't mind running it but I absolutely do not have enough time to train.  I'm hoping to be able to start running again by the beginning of November, but even that will be at least a month just getting back into things, which leaves me only 2 months to train.  That said, being a downhill race, I think I could get through it if I just focus on volume and long runs over the winter. 

Thoughts?

RS(er);DBAP

[tri-man 47 8,743]

1 hour ago, MAC_32 said:

If there's a half option then elect it.

This is my leaning.

[Zasada 3,352]

Great choice on race!  I have looked at that one myself, and was #2 on my list for my first marathon attempt (which ended-up being Houston instead).

I love the long-run/easy option.  I would love you to race it even more, but you know your availability for training more than anyone else. 

And your first marathon was not a disaster, that's bull####.  You finished, on a tough course.  Don't let the bastards drag you down.

[bushdocda 3,431]

1 hour ago, gianmarco said:

Right now, J&J is my goal race.  It's July 24, 2021.  Training for that will start very end of March/beginning of April (I haven't mapped out the exact date yet).  My plan up until then was to work on base training again like last year that got me into a good spot before the stupid knee issue. 

That said, I think the timing of this could work out just fine.  I'm not shooting for a BQ or any certain time.  If I can get some good volume through November, December, January, February (which I did last year), then I feel I can run this without it being an A goal race, recover for a few weeks, and then actually hit my training plan in stride 6 weeks later. 

Worst case, I take it super easy for the first few miles and run it as a long training run (20 miles). 

This will get me out there and make sure I get that volume in.  This little break I've been on has been good but I'm ready to get back out there.  I'll recover from surgery and get back out there with a purpose.

Sounds like you’ve got a good plan and can be flexible about Feb.

I forgot about J&J, I will let Mrs Bushdoc know about 2021 date as we still have friends to visit in Seattle and late July is as good of a time as any. 

[SteelCurtain 3,760]

1 hour ago, ChiefD said:

I think you will find that training in the winter for a spring half may suit you better.  But, in my opinion, if you are going to do it, do it right and go through as full of a cycle as you can.   Just adjust your time goal.

You should then have plenty of time to recover before your next cycle for Jack and Jill. Which you will then crush with all that base built up and the knowledge of a second marathon under your belt.

I agree with all of this. 

[Brony 7,578]

I had a chance to get up north this past weekend to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan for the first time in my life.  It's really beautiful up there - delivered on expectations.  Got in a long hike / photo hunt on Saturday.  We made our way back on Sunday and stopped at Kettle Moraine North Unit outside of Sheboygan.  As we're doing a hike there, I saw a bunch of runner/hikers moving through our trail with numbers on.  I figured out that we were on a portion of the Ice Age Trail, but I didn't have a clue what event would be going on. 

Anyway, Kettle Moraine was also pretty damn nice, but both places had tons of rocks and roots.  Must've been a ##### on the ankles. 

[xulf 2,416]

2 hours ago, gianmarco said:

They start at the same time so the bolded isn't possible.

Yes, that would be my plan to just run it comfortably like that 20 mile long run I did but finish the whole distance.  And that's still a 4:10 time. 

The Columbus Marathon has everyone start together then the HM breaks off to finish while the full marathon crew continues on.  Checking the map routes of the the two races that clearly won't work here...unless you want to stand around for awhile waiting for the Mrs. to escort her for the last half 

[Dr_Zaius 803]

1 hour ago, Brony said:

I had a chance to get up north this past weekend to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan for the first time in my life.  It's really beautiful up there - delivered on expectations.  Got in a long hike / photo hunt on Saturday.  We made our way back on Sunday and stopped at Kettle Moraine North Unit outside of Sheboygan.  As we're doing a hike there, I saw a bunch of runner/hikers moving through our trail with numbers on.  I figured out that we were on a portion of the Ice Age Trail, but I didn't have a clue what event would be going on. 

Anyway, Kettle Moraine was also pretty damn nice, but both places had tons of rocks and roots.  Must've been a ##### on the ankles. 

I was there for the first time last summer - stayed at the "LA of the UP", Marquette.  Really pretty, and I enjoy the way the locals show their pride by putting the outline of the UP everywhere.  My only complaint was the mosquitos.  Even with being warned by my Wisconsin friend that they would be plentiful, they still exceeded expectations.  I kept a tube of hydrocortisone cream on the car console so I could apply as needed during driving.

[gianmarco 28,012]

Adventures in marathoning continues as the Marcos will both be racing a marathon in February. This won't be nearly as exciting as the initial installment, but at least it's something.

But seriously, anyone looking for a race, this is a solid candidate. Good temps, dry, train over winter, and $100 (there's a promo code to drop it from $115), which isn't that bad. 

Time to start training now if you're in!

[Juxtatarot 11,205]

22 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

Adventures in marathoning continues as the Marcos will both be racing a marathon in February. This won't be nearly as exciting as the initial installment, but at least it's something.

But seriously, anyone looking for a race, this is a solid candidate. Good temps, dry, train over winter, and $100 (there's a promo code to drop it from $115), which isn't that bad. 

Time to start training now if you're in!

How do you feel about this...

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We know everyone is anxious for an update on the status of our 10th anniversary race that is currently scheduled for Saturday, February 13, 2021. We recognize that the current situation has been and continues to be very fluid, with ever-evolving national health and safety standards.

Our promise to our runners is that we will continue to plan for and organize our race. We are partnering closely with our local, state, and public safety officials to ensure we provide a race environment that is safe for both our runners and the community. We will provide any updates to our runners as they become available.

Should the event be canceled due to COVID–19, our contingency plan includes three options for runners:

Participate in-person on a future date (likely fall of 2021), when deemed safe by local, state, and public safety officials.

Participate in a virtual race option.

Defer race entry to the 2022 race, with all deferral fees waived.

We look forward to February and hope you will join us for our decennial race!

Stay safe, stay healthy, keep running, and we will see you in February!

 

[gianmarco 28,012]

5 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

How do you feel about this...

 

After this year, I'll take it!

[gruecd 7,108]

6 hours ago, Brony said:

We made our way back on Sunday and stopped at Kettle Moraine North Unit outside of Sheboygan.  As we're doing a hike there, I saw a bunch of runner/hikers moving through our trail with numbers on.  I figured out that we were on a portion of the Ice Age Trail, but I didn't have a clue what event would be going on. 

Anyway, Kettle Moraine was also pretty damn nice, but both places had tons of rocks and roots.  Must've been a ##### on the ankles. 

I run up there fairly often. That was the Glacial Trail 50M/50K. Buddy of mine won the 50K.

Def lots and roots like you said (and hills), but still one of my favorite areas for trail running!

Edited October 15, 2020 by gruecd

[El Floppo 27,939]

All this trail running talk makes me miss Mt Tam and the Marin Headlands. Had two runs out of my parents house on single track and/or fire roads with 1k+ elevation. 

Actually...just remembered a crazy and timely dream I had recently. I used to see bobcats on one of the trails pretty regularly...little ####ers weren't scared of anything and I'd routinely have to stop and yell until they'd decide to saunter off. In the dream instead of a bobcat, it was a mountain lion...like the video....and I knew cubs were up ahead. Jesus...it really was just like the video, except it didn't charge me. A mt biker came by at just the moment and the cat sauntered off like the bobcats would. Strange I'm just remembering that now.

Eta...got my cliftons today- pretty jazzed to take them out for a spin in the morning 

Edited October 15, 2020 by El Floppo

[Brony 7,578]

16 hours ago, Dr_Zaius said:

I was there for the first time last summer - stayed at the "LA of the UP", Marquette.  Really pretty, and I enjoy the way the locals show their pride by putting the outline of the UP everywhere.  My only complaint was the mosquitos.  Even with being warned by my Wisconsin friend that they would be plentiful, they still exceeded expectations.  I kept a tube of hydrocortisone cream on the car console so I could apply as needed during driving.

I was lucky - no mosquitos for me.  Not a one even at Mosquito Falls.  Lodging was tough to come by, but I'm thinking about making a reservation now for next fall. 

[Dr_Zaius 803]

22 minutes ago, Brony said:

I was lucky - no mosquitos for me.  Not a one even at Mosquito Falls.  Lodging was tough to come by, but I'm thinking about making a reservation now for next fall. 

Must be time of year dependent on the mosquitos as we were there in late June.  We hiked from Chapel basin to Chapel Beach and back, and you could almost tell the exact instant the bug spray wore off because we were suddenly inundated.

Agreed on the lodging.  We only ended up in Marquette because we couldn't find anything acceptable elsewhere, although it's a nice enough little town and has neat town park jutting out into Lake Superior.

[Dr_Zaius 803]

16 hours ago, gianmarco said:

Adventures in marathoning continues as the Marcos will both be racing a marathon in February. This won't be nearly as exciting as the initial installment, but at least it's something.

But seriously, anyone looking for a race, this is a solid candidate. Good temps, dry, train over winter, and $100 (there's a promo code to drop it from $115), which isn't that bad. 

Time to start training now if you're in!

  I dread doing anything long in the winter months.  Long runs are miserable if you're schlepping through thick snow or slush or if you don't have your clothing choices on point, and training can be hard to fit into a schedule as I won't run in the dark if it's below freezing for fear of black ice.

Still, glad to see you get back in the game!  And, I guess you won't have to carry 10 pounds of water in the winter.

[El Floppo 27,939]

11 hours ago, El Floppo said:

Eta...got my cliftons today- pretty jazzed to take them out for a spin in the morning 

Either there's been a change or my older clifton's are just fried (or both)...but the new ones feel a lot more firm than I remember the older ones being when I first got them. In a good way. Nice run in them this morning. The new shorts are good, but with larger back pocket that allows the keys room to bounce around instead of staying snug.

Having a nice second summer here...SF weather in the 50s and 60s. Perfect for running.

[El Floppo 27,939]

2 hours ago, Dr_Zaius said:

  I dread doing anything long in the winter months.  Long runs are miserable if you're schlepping through thick snow or slush or if you don't have your clothing choices on point, and training can be hard to fit into a schedule as I won't run in the dark if it's below freezing for fear of black ice.

Still, glad to see you get back in the game!  And, I guess you won't have to carry 10 pounds of water in the winter.

Lol...clothing choices?! Why bother- am I right guys?

 

But yeah. Snow in the city suuuucks. Slush lakes and/or ice at every intersection. Running and cycling stop for me. But I'm happy doing both as long as it's above 0 out...actually prefer outdoors training in the winter as it weeds out (or drives indoors) the more casual athletes.

[gruecd 7,108]

Less than 48 hours until 53 miles. Looking like temps in the mid- to upper-30s when I start, warming into the low 50s by the time I finish.  They'd been forecasting a chance of rain, but that's no longer the case as of this morning, so it looks like it should be smooth sailing.

Edited October 15, 2020 by gruecd

[gruecd 7,108]

2 hours ago, Dr_Zaius said:

  I dread doing anything long in the winter months.  Long runs are miserable if you're schlepping through thick snow or slush or if you don't have your clothing choices on point, and training can be hard to fit into a schedule as I won't run in the dark if it's below freezing for fear of black ice.

You're a thief of joy.

[gruecd 7,108]

On 10/12/2020 at 6:02 PM, El Floppo said:

But damn right I'll be wearing the watch.

How's it working for you?

[ChiefD 18,514]

10 minutes ago, gruecd said:

Less than 48 hours until 53 miles. Looking like temps in the mid- to upper-30s when I start, warming into the low 50s by the time I finish.  They'd been forecasting a chance of rain, but that's no longer the case as of this morning, so it looks like it should be smooth sailing.

Make sure you eat plenty of rice.

[SteelCurtain 3,760]

15 minutes ago, gruecd said:

Less than 48 hours until 53 miles. Looking like temps in the mid- to upper-30s when I start, warming into the low 50s by the time I finish.  They'd been forecasting a chance of rain, but that's no longer the case as of this morning, so it looks like it should be smooth sailing.

Tracking?

 

If not, then how about a periodic post or text to keep us updated?

[El Floppo 27,939]

1 hour ago, gruecd said:

How's it working for you?

Love it- thanks again!

Having data/strava transfer issues with my dinosaur laptop which won't load GarminConnect for some reason. I haven't had a lot of time to try to get to the bottom of that, or use your recommended remote access...I'm still attaching to the cord/cradle. Might use my wife's new laptop for garmin connect. 

But either way...love running with it and am getting more comfortable with interface. Next step is doing some interval work...something strava on my phone can't handle 

[gianmarco 28,012]

1 minute ago, El Floppo said:

Love it- thanks again!

Having data/strava transfer issues with my dinosaur laptop which won't load GarminConnect for some reason. I haven't had a lot of time to try to get to the bottom of that, or use your recommended remote access...I'm still attaching to the cord/cradle. Might use my wife's new laptop for garmin connect. 

But either way...love running with it and am getting more comfortable with interface. Next step is doing some interval work...something strava on my phone can't handle 

Does the watch have bluetooth?  If so, you can connect to your phone.

[MAC_32 12,082]

5 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

Does the watch have bluetooth?  If so, you can connect to your phone.

...and can have your run automatically upload to strava.

[gianmarco 28,012]

13 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

...and can have your run automatically upload to strava.

Listen to our long time watch expert here.

[MAC_32 12,082]

5 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

Listen to our long time watch expert here.

If there is such a thing as a fast to adapt laggard then I am it.

[gruecd 7,108]

1 hour ago, SteelCurtain said:

Tracking?

 

If not, then how about a periodic post or text to keep us updated?

It's not a race, just a solo FKT attempt, so no tracking. Maybe I'll have my one-person crew text someone with periodic updates.

[ChiefD 18,514]

4 minutes ago, gruecd said:

It's not a race, just a solo FKT attempt, so no tracking. Maybe I'll have my one-person crew text someone with periodic updates.

Make sure you wear an orange vest. It's deer season up there. 

[El Floppo 27,939]

48 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

Does the watch have bluetooth?  If so, you can connect to your phone.

No. That was my hoped for no brainier outcome. But it looks super easy with the software, and gru recommended a remotish option...just have to get the software to work on my computer.

[gruecd 7,108]

3 hours ago, ChiefD said:

Make sure you wear an orange vest. It's deer season up there. 

Not necessary. I'll be running a bike path. First 30ish miles crushed limestone, the rest paved.

[JShare87 4,095]

24 minutes ago, gruecd said:

Not necessary. I'll be running a bike path. First 30ish miles crushed limestone, the rest paved.

Just wear the damn vest.

[gianmarco 28,012]

Just now, JShare87 said:

Just wear the damn vest.

Exactly. It's not like deer don't ever go on those paths.

[gruecd 7,108]

I'll wear a red shirt. Close enough.

[ChiefD 18,514]

29 minutes ago, gruecd said:

I'll wear a red shirt. Close enough.

Watch out for bulls El Matador. It’s bull season up there.

[gianmarco 28,012]

2 minutes ago, ChiefD said:

Watch out for bulls El Matador. It’s bull season up there.

My link

[tri-man 47 8,743]

23 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

My link

Ah, Elmer Fudd.  "If wuvving you is wong, I don't wanna be wight ..."

[JShare87 4,095]

1 hour ago, gruecd said:

I'll wear a red shirt. Close enough.

Wait, why are we talking about shirts and vests? Just paint your shirtless body orange.