It would be a dumb bet because if they don't play him they'll claim it's because he's not healthy.For those in the “if he’s healthy he’s playing” camp. I’ll wager $100 to the first person who is interested... if the Cards are out of the playoff race, my money says he will not return this season.
You don't see the difference between Eli playing in meaningless games and DJ playing in meaningless games this year?Where is the cutoff for teams resting players?
49ers need to play their players because they are trying to rebuild their organization.
Should the NYG sit Eli? He's their franchise QB and they aren't making the playoffs.
Should DEN sit V. Miller? Talib? others on D? They should preserve that Super Bowl calibre D in hopes the offense is better next year, right?
If DJ is deemed 100% healthy in week 14 (for example), no I don't see a difference.You don't see the difference between Eli playing in meaningless games and DJ playing in meaningless games this year?
Yup... they should shut them down now since the team sucks this year.Where is the cutoff for teams resting players?
49ers need to play their players because they are trying to rebuild their organization.
Should the NYG sit Eli? He's their franchise QB and they aren't making the playoffs.
Should DEN sit V. Miller? Talib? others on D? They should preserve that Super Bowl calibre D in hopes the offense is better next year, right?
49ers too? Where is your cutoff?Yup... they should shut them down now since the team sucks this year.
It's not that hard to figure out but ok.If DJ is deemed 100% healthy in week 14 (for example), no I don't see a difference.
Apparently I'm not as smart as you. Look, I'm not saying DJ is definitely playing this year, I have no idea. But this idea of teams automatically shutting down players because they are out of the playoffs is not widespread throughout the league and not a certainty with DJ.It's not that hard to figure out but ok.
That's not what they would be doing with DJ this year. He had a serious injury. He's not relatively healthy and they are just shutting him down. Do you see the difference between the other guys you used as examples now? Add in he was seriously injured in a meaningless game last year week 17...........there just doesn't appear to be any reason to play him. They benefit how? Winning a couple games in this spot after they are eliminated actually hurts them.Apparently I'm not as smart as you. Look, I'm not saying DJ is definitely playing this year, I have no idea. But this idea of teams automatically shutting down players because they are out of the playoffs is not widespread throughout the league and not a certainty with DJ.
So then we agree. I said if he was deemed 100% healthy he would play. If he is "relatively" healthy they will shut him down. I guess the difference is that you assume he is not going to be healthy enough to play this year, I'm not making that assumption until he is officially put on IR or whatever.He's not relatively healthy and they are just shutting him down
lol no we don't agree he could be 100% and if they are out of playoff contention they will just say he's not and sit him. "Relatively healthy" was in reference to everybody is beat up slightly injured by this time of the season. They are not just shutting him down for the season after he's played 13 weeks because they are out of it. I agree they wouldn't do that but they won't bring him back off the IR if they aren't in playoff contention.So then we agree. I said if he was deemed 100% healthy he would play. If he is "relatively" healthy they will shut him down.
No his job is safe. That would have helped DJ's chances of playing though......Is Arians on the hot seat? Any chance he plays DJ to keep his job?
<rhetorical>No his job is safe. That would have helped DJ's chances of playing though......
Arians would.<rhetorical>
So they would risk DJ's health to potentially save Arians job?
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Well... I am pessimistic on him returning. 8 weeks in a splint. It's going to be very stiff and weak. I'd imagine he'd have most of his range of motion back in 2-3 weeks. Strength takes more time but I'm sure that'll come back to a point where he can function as a football player by week 15-16. If this were an ankle/knee/hip thing I'd say absolutely zero chance he comes back. Given it's his wrist I can imagine he might play with some kind of a splint that would allow him most function in his wrist but prevent excessive motion that would allow for a re-injury. But re-injury is the biggest concern here.Latest articles about DJ today didn't sound as promising. Not sure what to think about continued rostering.
@Dr. Dan, thoughts on Johnson's rehab and prognosis for being healthy enough to play by weeks 15-16?
If I had to place a bet on if he'd be back or not, I'd say likely no just because if he re-tears those ligaments he may have some significant life long problems in his wrist. It's not a football thing at this point, it's a potential quality of life issue IMO.I'd use a timeline of 12-16 weeks with a wrist splint IMO... without knowing anything of what he hurt... just assuming he tore a ligament or two that needs surgical correction. This is no joke... tear through the repair and he could have issues for life, could even rupture tendons and be at risk for losing some use. Worst case scenario, but might paint a picture of why they'd be slow with returning him.
Wrist dislocations are rare in general. But yes. If a carpal bone dislocates, there are ligamentous tears > fractures; it's quite serious. The bones in the wrist receive their blood flow through the ligaments. so if you damage the ligaments, the bones could become necrotic because it gets no blood supply. I'll go on a limb and say it was the lunate involved, or scaphoid. But the lunate is a pretty major one that receives blood flow form a specific ligament.
This is pretty serious stuff when we're talking wrist injuries TBH...
Very true.It would be a dumb bet because if they don't play him they'll claim it's because he's not healthy.
It’s pretty simple really. Not sure why some aren’t getting it.lol no we don't agree he could be 100% and if they are out of playoff contention they will just say he's not and sit him. "Relatively healthy" was in reference to everybody is beat up slightly injured by this time of the season. They are not just shutting him down for the season after he's played 13 weeks because they are out of it. I agree they wouldn't do that but they won't bring him back off the IR if they aren't in playoff contention.
Hey kutta, I respect your thoughts on ARI, so you think he's going to be shut down this year if ARI is out of the playoff race?It’s pretty simple really. Not sure why some aren’t getting it.
Yes I do. I pretty much agree with what @Milkman has been saying. They aren’t going to declare him healthy and then sit him. If they are out of it, they will just say he’s not healthy and he won’t play. These next couple weeks, both winnable games, will be key.Hey kutta, I respect your thoughts on ARI, so you think he's going to be shut down this year if ARI is out of the playoff race?
well, DJ with 50% of the work is still a low end rb1 right? 100% of the work is 2016 insanity fantasy productionAs stated previously, my concern is that if DJ does come back, I don't think he's going to get a heavy workload of 25-30 touches like last year. I think Peterson would remain heavily involved if he's still healthy. Arians loves his veterans. So DJ could provide some PPR value, but I would temper expectations.
Selfishly, as a dynasty owner with no shot at the title this year, I'd like to see them shut him down for the year and let him come back 100% healthy and hungry in 2018.
Fair enough, but considering how much we lost DJ this year, we should be entitled to about 50 touches each week for the rest of the year.well, DJ with 50% of the work is still a low end rb1 right? 100% of the work is 2016 insanity fantasy production
I think now technically, but he's clearly not ready and may not be until well into December (if at all).When is he eligible to return? This week?
For some reason I didn’t. I’ll at least wait till Sunday.So is everyone dropping now after this latest news?
There are other useful players available but it’s hard to drop DJ. Would love something definitive.For some reason I didn’t. I’ll at least wait till Sunday.
The most useful player available to me was Ekeler. Thought about it but passed.There are other useful plays available but it’s hard to drop DJ. Would love something definitive.
Kupp, Stills, & Cohen (own Howard) are available. And other stashes like Gordon & Rodgers but it’s so hard to drop DJ!The most useful player available to me was Ekeler. Thought about it but passed.