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Frank Gore - still in the NFL at 65. (1 Viewer)
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cmv5
Footballguy
Frank Gore has been exceptional. In so many ways. The fact that he has had any type of career on those knees is amazing. Outlasting Clinton Portis and McGahee.
But, you give a man with that kind of mileage a 300 carry pace and I promise you it won't take long for the injuries to happen.
But, you give a man with that kind of mileage a 300 carry pace and I promise you it won't take long for the injuries to happen.
Tau837
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I have a strange gut feeling Mathews would be the least effective of those three in that offense.
cstu
Footballguy
Wasn't comparing the two, just pointing out that keeping the league's #4 all-time leading rusher out of the HOF will be difficult.
But since we are...Gore never got the number of carries Martin did (he had more than 260 carries twice while Martin did it 10 times). However, Gore has a 4.53 YPC (7th all-time among RB's with 2000+ carries) while Martin is at 4.01 YPC (31st).
No doubt it's a long shot for him to stay healthy but I can see him grinding out 3000 like Emmitt did at the end of his career.
cstu
Footballguy
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
Now this from Roto:
Frank Gore - RB - 49ers
According to FOX's Mike Garafolo, all indications are free agent Frank Gore in now "intent" on joining the Colts.
Gore appears set to leave the Eagles at the alter, instead choosing to hitch his wagon to Andrew Luck. He'd move ahead of Dan Herron as Indy's feature back and give Luck one of the game's best pass-protecting running backs. It's reasonable to think the Eagles' apparent lack of direction in personnel moves gave Gore cold feet and he sees a better chance to win a Super Bowl in Indy.
Related: Colts
Source: Mike Garafolo on Twitter
Mar 9 - 8:09 PM
Yeah...uh, Larry had 10 more TD's than Gore that year. Gore was never robbed of anything. He never had the carries because his body wouldn't have held up to them. You don't get credit for what you weren't able to accomplish, even if fans believe you'd have been able to do them in Never-Never Land.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
So, is there any possibility that this has a domino effect and the Eagles back out of the McCoy trade?
I think no, but it's not 100% out of the question.
I think no, but it's not 100% out of the question.
CalBear
Footballguy
His career was his career; you don't get into the Hall based on what you might have done if you had a different career.
cstu
Footballguy
He's rushed for 1000 yards 8 times - only 11 RB's in history have done that. All of them except SJax are or will be (LT) in the HOF.
cstu
Footballguy
I always thought Indy made a lot more sense for him. Tried trading for him in a few leagues a few weeks ago based on fact I felt so sure that's where he was going.
I don't expect him to put up big rushing totals but he should pick his reception totals back up to the something closer to the old Frank Gore type levels and have a lot more TD chances. If in fact he goes to Indy.
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
The fact that PHI wanted to reduce its $$ commitment to their RB1 hasn't changed. i suppose anything is possible until tomorrow afternoon, but I can't see the Eagles wanting to back out.
It's different with a trade vs. a free agent backing out too. There are just 32 teams and for the most part they want to maintain relationships among themselves that will facilitate future transactions. Backing out wouldn't be good from that standpoint.
CalBear
Footballguy
Faust
MVP
Frank Gore backing off deal with Eagles; Colts still in play
Colts offer a better opportunity for Gore to earn a ring IMHO...
Colts offer a better opportunity for Gore to earn a ring IMHO...
Tau837
Footballguy
Bottom line, judging a player's HOF worthiness is about judging what he did in the situations he was in. It is not about judging what might have happened if he was in different situations. Generally speaking, players get what they deserve/earn.
In this case, he got the carries he got. And his performance with those carries (a) wasn't enough for him to ever be rightfully viewed as one of the few best RBs in the league, which is why he never was 1st team All Pro, and (b) wasn't enough for him to earn more carries.
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Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
We're also in an era of RB devaluation, which just makes it that much harder for any RB to make the HoF. They will have to truly stand out above their peers and be considered special for their careers (like A Peterson) to make it. No way Gore becomes a HoFer unless he does something truly amazing these next few years, which I can't imagine him doing. His body of work so far won't be nearly enough especially given the way RBs are viewed today.Bottom line, judging a player's HOF worthiness is about judging what he did in the situations he was in. It is not about judging what might have happened if he was in different situations. Generally speaking, players get what they deserve/earn.
In this case, he got the carries he got. And his performance with those carries (a) wasn't enough for him to ever be one of the few best RBs in the league, which is why he never was 1st team All Pro, and (b) wasn't enough for him to earn more carries.
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mquinnjr
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cstu
Footballguy
My thinking is the opposite - in an era where RB's are a dime a dozen to accomplish what Gore has is impressive.We're also in an era of RB devaluation, which just makes it that much harder for any RB to make the HoF. They will have to truly stand out above their peers and be considered special for their careers (like A Peterson) to make it. No way Gore becomes a HoFer unless he does something truly amazing these next few years, which I can't imagine him doing. His body of work so far won't be nearly enough especially given the way RBs are viewed today.Bottom line, judging a player's HOF worthiness is about judging what he did in the situations he was in. It is not about judging what might have happened if he was in different situations. Generally speaking, players get what they deserve/earn.
In this case, he got the carries he got. And his performance with those carries (a) wasn't enough for him to ever be one of the few best RBs in the league, which is why he never was 1st team All Pro, and (b) wasn't enough for him to earn more carries.
I don't think he's a HOF'er at the moment but 2500 more total yards put him 9th all-time in yards from scrimmage.
rockaction
Footballguy
Gore to Indianapolis just makes more sense than Gore to Philly. He can't keep up with that pace. Gore was one of my RBs last year, and Hyde was the better back. That said, Gore is a perfect fit for Indy. Bradshaw, when healthy, still might be the better back, though. But he's not healthy.
Pots
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
No, and no need to fight. But when you watch a guy intently for about ten-twelve games, you get a feel. He could never keep up with Philly's pace, and he'll wind up in Indy in the end. I'll be kind of correct when it comes down. You okay, man?Clearly the opinions you state are more valid than others then.
rockaction
Footballguy
Hyde was the better back.Gore has ONLY 4 games last season with 20+ rushes: (because the Niners are idiots)
24/119
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Ya... sounds like he's done.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
the better back that had 3.2.4.9.7,5,2,6 carries to end the season?Hyde was the better back.Gore has ONLY 4 games last season with 20+ rushes: (because the Niners are idiots)
24/119
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Ya... sounds like he's done.
k
rockaction
Footballguy
Would you bet your backing on Tre Mason and Josh Gordon here? Gore is gone for a reason. I agree with you sometimes, but you're way too confident for that track record. Gore looked out of breath, never breaking tackles, and just locked into getting stuffed regularly. Carlos Hyde is a bomber, as Motorhead would say. Gore, if he signs with the Eagles or Colts, I'll draft at value, but Hyde is the better back right now.the better back that had 3.2.4.9.7,5,2,6 carries to end the season?Hyde was the better back.Gore has ONLY 4 games last season with 20+ rushes: (because the Niners are idiots)
24/119
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Ya... sounds like he's done.
k
Soulfly3
Footballguy
How was I in any way wrong on Tre Mason? I said he'd be the lead back by week 8... In preseason. I was wrong by 2 weeks... In a good way. This was a masterclass of a call.
On Gordon, how was I supposed to know he'd drink a bottle of the NFL's major sponsor and sit the year? Still back him to the death.
Anyways... on to Gore. He's still got it...
I dont see a way he goes below 1000/8, barring an injury in IND.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Then I don't see how we disagree. He's 1000/8 in IND. I just don't think he's cut out for more than six up-tempo games in PHI.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
I'm not talking bout Philly anymore... Havent been since yesterday, He's going to Indy.
In Indy, 1000/8 is more than realistic... I think/hope he puts up one last monster year... In that offense, VERY realistic
rockaction
Footballguy
Gore in Indy has to be third round redraft in 14-16 team leagues, at least. At least. If he signs with Indy, I'm targeting. All those passes from Luck checking down? HFS.
B-Deep
Footballguy
well
to be fair i hear he had previously failed a drug/alcohol test or two or three or.....well you see what i mean
so perhaps you should have known
i like gore, there's some risk due to age, so i question his opportunities, will they take it a bit easy with him to make sure he has juice come playoff time
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
In what way was Hyde a better RB than Frank Gore?Hyde was the better back.Gore has ONLY 4 games last season with 20+ rushes: (because the Niners are idiots)
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Ya... sounds like he's done.
2014 Frank Gore 255 carries 1106 yards 4.3ypc 4TD 19 targets 11 receptions 111 yards 10.1ypc 1TD
2014 Carlos Hyde 83 carries 333 yards 4.0ypc 4TD 16 targets 12 receptions 68 yards 5.7ypc
Usually a COP RB will have better YPC than a lead RB because they are fresher and get less attention from the defense. Hyde was not better than Gore in this area and was much less effective as a receiver than Gore was.
Shutout
Footballguy
Can't think of it in fantasy value terms. Gore is a heck of a back and as solid standup guy as you'll find. He's going to play for the team and put their goals first and he's going to do it class and hunger for a ring. If it costs the colts 9-12 million to win a title next year, it's worth it
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Fantasy gold for the owners who bought him for almost nothing last year. This is ideal.
beef
Footballguy
SELL SELL!
great deal for gore, might help someone this year fantasy wise, but what a great time to score in on something for a 32 year old RB.
great deal for gore, might help someone this year fantasy wise, but what a great time to score in on something for a 32 year old RB.
rockaction
Footballguy
He wasn't a change of pace guy. He was a short yardage guy if you watched. But your point is taken. Gore's DVOA and success rate were higher than Hyde's, though how much of that had to do with situations and effectiveness of the line, we'll never know.Biabreakable said:In what way was Hyde a better RB than Frank Gore?rockaction said:Hyde was the better back.Soulfly3 said:Gore has ONLY 4 games last season with 20+ rushes: (because the Niners are idiots)
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26/158/1
25/144
Ya... sounds like he's done.
2014 Frank Gore 255 carries 1106 yards 4.3ypc 4TD 19 targets 11 receptions 111 yards 10.1ypc 1TD
2014 Carlos Hyde 83 carries 333 yards 4.0ypc 4TD 16 targets 12 receptions 68 yards 5.7ypc
Usually a COP RB will have better YPC than a lead RB because they are fresher and get less attention from the defense. Hyde was not better than Gore in this area and was much less effective as a receiver than Gore was.
Oh, and in case you're wondering about the COP thing, just check the touchdowns. Hyde was a bruiser. He'll also be a better back this year, though the way SF and IND are headed inversely, it'll be like comparing apples and oranges.
