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I believe it's true that one can use deadly force in cases where the individual fleeing is considered a serious danger to society. I just don't know how that case would be made (even in a poor attempt) in this case. I'm not saying they wouldn't try, but I have to think they'd be laughed out of the courtroom.
Not a thing. But overall it helps to fill in a few blanks.
He had them in the past, but the last report I saw was there were no active bench warrants against him. The one from 2013 had been removed since he was making payments
This just have been incorrect 
There are conflicting reports on that, several sources say there was no warrant:
just another piece of the puzzle of why a jury will never find that cop guilty of murder
I don't know if you are actually prepared to be educated on the subject matter, and in fact I would suspect not based upon your stated preconception, so let me address that first.
This isn't about a white guy being allowed to use the n-word. I'd like to think you are smart enough to see beyond that to the broader point I've been trying to make about racism. Once again - blind spot. I've been consistently coming at the difficult topic of racism in 2015 with an idea whose time has come - that maybe the best way to combat all forms of prejudice, racism and injustice is to apply the same set of rules to everyone - ie - treat everyone the same. No reverse discrimination. No red-lining. No affirmative action. No double standards. Stop trying to get into people's heads to get behind context or intent (because as I showed above it is never applied fairly) and give people the benefit of the doubt that they are not racist. Stop framing the issue of police brutality as white racism. It's not accurate, and it's not helping the cause. I say all of this with the same desire that you have - to end racism.
So you endorse the death penalty for back child support, resisting arrest, and assaulting an officer. Good to know.
Think how many times they would have killed him if he was black!What's your point?
"There are three types of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics"No one said anything about inherently criminal. But there are endless stats which do show it is a problem beyond the test I suggested above.I'd suggest that's a very poor way to indict a race as somehow inherently criminal.jon_mx said:I suggest you take a late night stroll down the streets of south Chicago and test your theory. Report back.B-Deep said:
No one said anything about inherently criminal. But there are endless stats which do show it is a problem beyond the test I suggested above."There are three types of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics"I'd suggest that's a very poor way to indict a race as somehow inherently criminal.jon_mx said:I suggest you take a late night stroll down the streets of south Chicago and test your theory. Report back.B-Deep said:
Benjamin Disraeli
Probably more suited for a separate topic - and I don't mean in any way to detract from the primary issue here which is unacceptable use of deadly force by the police - but as we splinter off into all these discussions of race it's worthy of mention the irony of what helped lead to this horrible tragedy - a man apparently running from the financial obligations to his child.
Again, I would let you pick anyone of three dozen nice downtown locations you could walk your white ### around any particular night to discover just how big of 'lies' these are."There are three types of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics"Benjamin DisraeliNo one said anything about inherently criminal. But there are endless stats which do show it is a problem beyond the test I suggested above.I'd suggest that's a very poor way to indict a race as somehow inherently criminal.jon_mx said:I suggest you take a late night stroll down the streets of south Chicago and test your theory. Report back.B-Deep said:
I guess this is the kind of mentality I have an issue with. You're lumping all cops into one collective pool and inditing all of them of injustices because of the actions of a very small percentage of them. How is that any different from seeing James Harrison laying a huge hit out on another player, and then saying that all NFL players are dirty?
do you literally think any white person walking in a predominantly black neighborhood at night ends up dead in a dumpster?Again, I would let you pick anyone of three dozen nice downtown locations you could walk your white ### around any particular night to discover just how big of 'lies' these are."There are three types of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics"Benjamin DisraeliNo one said anything about inherently criminal. But there are endless stats which do show it is a problem beyond the test I suggested above.I'd suggest that's a very poor way to indict a race as somehow inherently criminal.jon_mx said:I suggest you take a late night stroll down the streets of south Chicago and test your theory. Report back.B-Deep said:
That and there's constant rush to judgment where the race card is played ad nauseam with little regard for the facts in the case.
You don't have to end up dead to say certain areas are dangerous.do you literally think any white person walking in a predominantly black neighborhood at night ends up dead in a dumpster?Again, I would let you pick anyone of three dozen nice downtown locations you could walk your white ### around any particular night to discover just how big of 'lies' these are."There are three types of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics"Benjamin DisraeliNo one said anything about inherently criminal. But there are endless stats which do show it is a problem beyond the test I suggested above.I'd suggest that's a very poor way to indict a race as somehow inherently criminal.jon_mx said:I suggest you take a late night stroll down the streets of south Chicago and test your theory. Report back.B-Deep said:
I lived in a predominately hispanic neighborhood for a number of years in Chicago. Although my immediate neighborhood was nice the surronding areas were not so much so (well known gang neighborhoods).... I went for many walks with my dog and never was harrased once.
I am pretty sure a white person or two has walked through a black neighborhood without getting harassed
I disagree with almost ever word of this, but I love it anyway. Seems like Fridays bring out the best material in here.
And I encourage you to do the same thing a few other places like Callao or Phnom Penh or ManilaAgain, I would let you pick anyone of three dozen nice downtown locations you could walk your white ### around any particular night to discover just how big of 'lies' these are."There are three types of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics"Benjamin DisraeliNo one said anything about inherently criminal. But there are endless stats which do show it is a problem beyond the test I suggested above.I'd suggest that's a very poor way to indict a race as somehow inherently criminal.jon_mx said:I suggest you take a late night stroll down the streets of south Chicago and test your theory. Report back.B-Deep said:
If these white cops are merely symptomatic of underlying racism in our society as a whole, why wouldn't we?
So the statistics are not lies. Thank you.And I encourage you to do the same thing a few other places like Callao or Phnom Penh or ManilaAgain, I would let you pick anyone of three dozen nice downtown locations you could walk your white ### around any particular night to discover just how big of 'lies' these are."There are three types of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics"Benjamin DisraeliNo one said anything about inherently criminal. But there are endless stats which do show it is a problem beyond the test I suggested above.I'd suggest that's a very poor way to indict a race as somehow inherently criminal.jon_mx said:I suggest you take a late night stroll down the streets of south Chicago and test your theory. Report back.B-Deep said:
IMHO it's about poverty and lack of opportunity, in the US compounded by institutional racism that you so fervently believe does not exist
I'm not accepting your underlying premise or analysis. But I'll give you an answer: It could be Opportunity -- they have guns and the authority of the state. Or it could be nature -- people who become police officers are more likely to engage in violent behavior than non-police officers. Or it could be something else.
The violence subsided in the 60's and 70's and there was violence. People's racism is internalized now. Lot's of racist folks go to work with minorities, tolerate them but would never think about performing any acts of violence towards them. However, they will go home and laugh at a racist joke or post racist crap on the internet.
This. Im saying this subconscious type of racism/discrimination is more visible within institutions as a whole. Like Law enforcement, legal, education, financial for example. It has more to do with laws and practices that tend to unfairly harm a particular group of people as opposed to the people themselves being overtly racist. Like unfair pay for women or unfair housing practices against blacks for example.
Just seems to be too much over-generalizing. I just don't believe there are a bunch of closet racists running around.not following.
I THINK what he is saying is that the "whole" is more than a collection of the parts. So: An institution (school, police force, etc) may be made up of perfectly fine, non-racist teachers/cops, but that the institution may have results that, on the agregate, appear to have negative affects on a sub-class of individuals (minoties, women, etc.).Just seems to be too much over-generalizing. I just don't believe there are a bunch of closet racists running around.
I don't know if you are naive or in denial.Just seems to be too much over-generalizing. I just don't believe there are a bunch of closet racists running around.
Yes, you stated it much better than I.I THINK what he is saying is that the "whole" is more than a collection of the parts. So: An institution (school, police force, etc) may be made up of perfectly fine, non-racist teachers/cops, but that the institution may have results that, on the agregate, appear to have negative affects on a sub-class of individuals (minoties, women, etc.).Just seems to be too much over-generalizing. I just don't believe there are a bunch of closet racists running around.
