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No, it did happen. I have watched the stream a lot myself.
Gassing Americas peacefully protesting, to walk across a street to hold a Bible upside down for a photo opp is a bad look for some Americans.
For most Americans. BTW Esper has to go. If he’s that gullible that “he didn’t know”, he shouldn’t be in charge.
I struggle to come up with the name of an individual I trust less to tell me the truth.
Would you feel the same way if, after this all calms down and COVID numbers start going up, the States decide that in order to stop the spread of COVID-19, they need to implement a mandatory curfew, and if you are caught outside after curfew, the police will violently arrest you?
that did show up as promised in their FB posts). Yeah, they had signs and yeah I was disgusted by the complete lack of self awareness once again, but I sort of expect that now. We are just to selfish in general. Police all around this area seem to be "getting it" and helping organize. That's going a long way in calming things down. For that I am grateful. We've had organized protests just about every day this week in different areas of central Florida and no major issues. We had a protest at the local mall the other day, and there was apparently a flyer making the rounds in FB calling for a riot as well. Turns out that no riot got started and everything stayed peaceful.I don't remember if it was this thread or another that I mentioned protests we were going to this week, but we had a local protest last night (another tomorrow)...very peaceful (sans some
I saw the same thing at the one I attended yesterday. One protester threw something at the cops and he was immediately shut down by the others. The cops did a really good job of not escalating anything.I don't remember if it was this thread or another that I mentioned protests we were going to this week, but we had a local protest last night (another tomorrow)...very peaceful (sans some
Here’s the first part:
Nothing thrown here....racial slurs and some pretty disrespectful signs...the signs from "both sides" though. None of it directed at cops.
Totally agree and this seems to be part of what the protesters are looking for - some sort of recognition on the part of the police that they have a problem. There was video of a protest not far from me posted on FB that had a street full of protesters facing off against a group of police. They were chanting "take a knee" for several minutes. The guy taking the video could be heard a few times saying "don't do it, don't do it". Eventually the group of police approached the protesters, looked at each other, then all took a knee. Cheers, hugs...just overall happiness...and the crowd broke up.I don't remember if it was this thread or another that I mentioned protests we were going to this week, but we had a local protest last night (another tomorrow)...very peaceful (sans some
Well they didn’t need to hide anyone. After all it wasn’t anything like tear gas: just a little smoke in their eyes. Mild irritant.
If covid “protestors” are destroying cities by smashing everything in site, burning police cars, looting businesses, physically attacking people trying to protect their livelihoods including women etc....then yes, curfews would make sense
If the virus was as bad as you say, smart people would stay home without asking. But since you bring it up:
None of that is hypocrisy though...and you failed to answer the questions asked.If the virus was as bad as you say, smart people would stay home without asking. But since you bring it up:
OMG we are all going to die!
Meh, no big deal.
Now that's hypocrisy.
Sure...but the question wasn't about just those destroying things. It was about saying that even those out peacefully past curfew are complicit and giving cover to the law breakers.
Nah, they are more subtle... just spreading a plague that can lead to hospitalizations or death to people trying to protect their livelihoods.
I don't like Tom Cotton at all, he scares the bejeebus out of me, but I think he's pretty smart. It's fascinating to watch him deliberately choose to follow the Trump strategy of authoritarianism just when the country is clearly demonstrating that it doesn't want any more of it. If Donald gets beat in November, Cotton's presidential aspirations are toast. Because that chit won't play in '24 and beyond."The only way to end this insurrection is the overwhelming display of force.” Senator Tom Cotton (R)-Arkansas
Yes...I get that. But that was not the point of where the conversation was...it was a response to stating anyone out even peacefully was complicit.
His, Conryn, Rubio, and Cruz's comments were pretty bad. That Rubio and Cruz so often carry the water for Trump is just sad.
Social distancing and gathering in large crowds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>being out past 8 PM if there were a curfew. HTH
Right
No. We can’t.
No.
This is like saying people that are going 5 MPH above the speed limit are complicit in the rapes and murders that occurred while they were driving.
Seriously, we’d rather bicker about curfews than make a single comment on this? Not trying to shut down debate, and lord knows that I’m as guilty of arguing about minutiae as anyone, but this is the type of thing that will actually help us heal and get to a better place in this country.
Which is probably why nobody that is concerned about the curfews wants to comment on this.
The military can just shut down our right to assemble peacefully? Anarchists aren’t the ones gassing protesters and shooting at journalists.
The thing is, it’s difficult to know what’s what in that regard. Some think all legit protesters are peaceful and the rioters are all paid agitators. And others think the rioters are the alleged peaceful protesters. It’s impossible for anyone to really know how much overlap there is. But political agendas must rule the day!!!!
You're fighting a good fight bb, but it's not worth your effort. This is the only thread I think I've ever come to the PSF expressly to see. I stay out of this forum 99.99% of the time, because it's such cesspool. I thought maybe I'd get thoughtful perspective on the events of the last week. I guess I did, a tiny bit. Mostly I regret the time I wasted reading all of this trolling, arguing, and bickering. Take care, I'm out.
The initial question asked why should we use tear gas and force to police this curfew, but other curfew is an encroachment on freedom? Your reply was this conduct is different because it causes harm to others, which JMHO misses the point of the covid curfew. Both curfews sought to protect society from a threat. It's not as complicated of a question as you're making it.
Yeah, I don't buy it. If you are "protesting" by "rioting" you're a rioter. If you are "protesting" by "looting" you're a looter. Those are merely excuses people are coming up with to do the bad things they want to do all the while knowing they are bad things to do. I guess that makes them feel better about themselves? Who knows. I do know making it any more gray than what I outlined here is absurdly lazy and obviously partisan bull####. It's not difficult.
It really isn’t that difficult. Peaceful protestors are the ones who match but don’t commit acts of violence.
