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Another killing at the hands of the Police (14 Viewers)
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FairWarning
Footballguy
Then you file a report or go to a city meeting. You are still not comprehending that this guy made mistakes and it cost him his life.
pimpy - when it’s time for your kids to drive, how will you tell teach them to deal with the police?
quick-hands
Footballguy
I can answer this. It's like roulette. Every interaction starts with a level of wariness and suspicion. It goes from there.
Your question isn't quantifiable.
FairWarning
Footballguy
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Who said he didnt make mistakes? Where did i say that? Im just asking you a question. So you go to the city, nothing happens and it continues. Then what? Is every interaction going to be the same as you describe? Or will you get frustrated? Again, just curious.
timschochet
Footballguy
It’s quite reasonable to assume it does.
In any encounter between police and a black person, particularly in an urban area, we can assume that the black person is going to have fear of mistreatment and possible death, based on solely on the question of skin color, and that this fear will help motivate his responses. And this fear is justified. That is the society we live in, and that’s why, if you’re not black, you can’t compare these encounters to when the police stops you. I’ve never had to fear police.
quick-hands
Footballguy
Why not stick to the topic gb. Go start a tangent thread if you want to discuss your hypothetical questions. But don't ask someone a second time to answer your hypothetical it's rude. If they want to they will.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
With respect. Hands on the wheel and be polite. Thing is, my kids will not have the same PTSD that other black kids have about police officers so that fear will be less. However, they will know that they need to be careful. I will likely put a cam in their cars or something. But thats how i learned to keep my cool the first time guns were pulled on me after being pulled over for not signaling. Oh and i did report that to the city. nothing happened.
massraider
Footballguy
His warrant was for a misdemeanor of owning a gun without a license. His warrant was actually for missing a court date. How does that get to killing someone?
There are a lot of outstanding warrants. Police using deadly force every time someone flees because "well, what if they kill someone?" does not seem like the correct use of it.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
im not talking about this guy. I was talking about him. We are now discussing in general why people run.
djmich
Footballguy
This is a huge part of the problem that needs need be addressed as part of the solution. The environment today exacerbated this problem
timschochet
Footballguy
You actually answered it with your third sentence: every interaction starts with a level of wariness and suspicion.
In my neighborhood, when police encounter white people, every interaction does not start with a level of wariness and suspicion. You’ve just pinpointed the main issue.
jm192
Footballguy
I think you're going off on a tangent. If he wasn't stopped repeatedly and thereby frustrated--which I think you've said you don't--it doesn't really apply in this case.
He was pulled over and had a warrant. And you're saying "well let's discuss this hypothetical where you weren't pulled over and had a warrant."
djmich
Footballguy
Yah sorry wasn’t trying to give you homework, was more talking out loud. Interesting focus point though
No. They usually arrest them when they find them, and if they try to flee they stun-gun thier ###. This time a police officer made a mistake.
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
They weren't without context. They were right after I posted about using arrest %s instead of general population.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
quick-hands
Footballguy
Did a cop tell you that? Because that is not how they are trained. In your very affluent white neighborhood in California maybe that is situation. But it's not what I have been told. Because in detroit area. You never know who you are pulling over.
timschochet
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I told my kids hand OUTSIDE the window when pulled over ... officers can see your hands, everyone feels safer
I just don't understand people as I look at this latest situation. The person killed was wanted, fought and tried to run ... there is a personal responsibility there in NOT doing things to escalate situations
He died because of his action - that's crystal clear and yet, BLM is rioting/looting/burning ............. which tells me its not anything to do with the situation, they're just looking for an excuse :(
Stealthycat
Footballguy
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
We are talking about summer wheat. NOT the recent case with the guy who was shot. Just as an FYI. He mentioned his response to how he would handle. Im asking if that might change over time. This was all in a discussion about running in general. Again, not this specific case. Im not arguing the guy should have run.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
You still arent explaining the point you are trying to make. Im slow this morning. Can you help me out?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
He missed a court date for a case where he is accused of holding a gun to somebody's head to rob them.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Link? i have been trying to find more about that. Id be curious to see where you are seeing that. thnx
timschochet
Footballguy
Here’s what I am saying:
1. When a white person like me is stopped by a cop, all that white person has to do is obey instructions. So long as I do what the cop tells me I am perfectly safe. I don’t need to fear death or other bad treatment.
2. When a black person is stopped by a cop, there are no guarantees. No matter how well he obeys instructions, no matter how innocent he might be, there is still the possibility of mistreatment and death. And every black person living in this country knows it. And most of them have been subject, at some time in their lives, to some kind of ill treatment by police.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Let's define what most means because I call absolute BS on this statement. Most black people have not faced ill treatment by the police. Even if you consider just getting pulled over is ill treatment I still call BS on this.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
uwillbsoon
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1381698722682273793?s=19
That's the only thing I've seen about the action behind the warrant.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
no im going to agree with most. I dont think i know a black person that hasnt. Thats just me though. I havent polled every black person in the country so really i have no idea.
timschochet
Footballguy
I will correct when I wrote that most black people have received ill treatment by police. Per Pew Research the actual number is 44%: 56% of black men, 31% of black women:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/06/03/10-things-we-know-about-race-and-policing-in-the-u-s/%3famp=1
I think my overall point stands but it’s important to get the numbers right.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/06/03/10-things-we-know-about-race-and-policing-in-the-u-s/%3famp=1
I think my overall point stands but it’s important to get the numbers right.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Using general population %'s assumes that all races commit crimes at equal %'s. We know that isn't true so therefore comparing to the general population is dumb. We would want a stat that would get us closer to negative interactions with police. Arrest %s are obviously much closer to that (although of course not perfect either).
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Searching his name and warrant turn up a torrent of different answers.
Maybe the guy that thinks there are a bunch of children locked in a pizza parlor basement isn't a great source.
He could be right, just sayin'............
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
The 50 white people killed by police so far this year might disagree.
I grew up in a rough area where the police were on edge every traffic stop. That is why it behooves all of us to do our best to comply. In fact given the state of what is going on it should be taught in HS.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
So was your determination that its disproportional because arrest %'s are higher? If so why do you think they are higher?
massraider
Footballguy
He was awaiting trial. That is not what the warrant was for.
The link provided literally asserts that is NOT what the warrant was for.
quick-hands
Footballguy
This is a perception and like I said the officers I know, tell me, that things are getting meaner.
The cop has no guarantees white, black, brown, yellow.
When they pull you over in your Lexus. Yea they might not have too much fear because experience tells them how compliant a Lexus driver is.
Like I said it's roulette. Most stops are handled quickly and safely. Until the ball lands on green and then it's go time. You never know when that is.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Right. Perception. Unconscious bias. Fear. Many black people irrationally fear the police, just like many police irrationally fear black people.
Ive posted a long post about how to fix this. But there isnt really a quick fix for it. But it does start with recognizing this. On both sides.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Sitting in a Zoom meeting rn with 30 Vets, 26 of who are BIPOC. Many are sharing horrific stories about interactions they have had with LE. It is heartbreaking.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
FairWarning
Footballguy
How many times have you been stopped in the last week, month, year? Next time you’re stopped, turn the video on your phone. The cop should have his on.
timschochet
Footballguy
You seem to be avoiding the main issue which is that race plays a huge factor, a negative one for blacks. Unless you’re willing to acknowledge that fact we’ll always be talking past each other on this issue.
uwillbsoon
Footballguy
Never said it was a good source. But even that source said nothing about him putting a gun to someone's head.
That KSTP guy doesn't list his source. Posobiec pulled up his criminal record and that incident KSTP guy mentions isn't in it.
There were some other marijuana charges that he owes close to $400 for.
FairWarning
Footballguy
No one is running from the cops is they have nothing outstanding and did nothing wrong.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
You didnt answer the question. But i will answer yours anyway. First, i havent been pulled over in the last year. But i also havent driven much due to covid and such. And yes next time i am stopped you can bet i will have my dashcam on.
FairWarning
Footballguy
If you are driving with a expired plate, is that a valid reason to get pulled over?
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Yes wasnt that what you were showcasing? so yes why do you feel that is the case?
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