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The journey is towards "a more perfect nation". We will never be a "perfect nation". We are a better nation that continues to evolve to slowly understand the ideals this nation was built on and putting those ideals into practice in ways our founding fathers could never have dreamt. This doesn't happen without push back and bumps in the road. It doesn't happen without those believing that it is all going "to hell in a handbasket". But it is happening!
Imho that’s an idealistic view of the journey. No one knows what’s at the end of road but it could be something we don’t want or never thought of. That’s my fear.
For the most part, our media has devolved into a partisan tabloid and trump had very little/nothing to do with it.
I find this statement to be incredibly odd coming from you. When people complain about mainstream you criticize them for consuming it. Now you are saying people getting info elsewhere is a problem.
Disagree. The media exposed Trump. Trump exposed the media. They both lost and now have to live with it. Do you trust FoxNews? The distrust in media is warranted, but thats been beat up plenty in the other thread.
There is no end of the road. And throughout the journey there will be constant change where we all benefit from those things we never thought we would want or even thought could be to have an opinion. Future Americans will look back at the 2021 Americans and just roll their eyes at how backwards we were and that will be good. That is the exceptionalism that results from this great experiment in self governing.
I wouldn’t rule out bio-terrorism either. Look at this virus and the reaction to it, from China to health organizations, to US. Our next war could be a real life version of Call to Duty.
Mostly, I push back and I am curious about what they mean by MSM media when they posted it. Turns out, it's usually just #####ing about CNN.
Yeah, I addressed it below and in other threads. It's not that he pushed people away from Fox, it's that he pushed them to his Twitter account and OAN, which is even worse.
lamestream media - here's this YouTube channel where I learn the real truth!"
There are two problems - these channels can’t jus report news, it has to be their spin. The other problem with pushing the boundaries out further is these people are not exactly credible, and they want to be first with the news, facts be damned.Mostly, I push back and I am curious about what they mean by MSM media when they posted it. Turns out, it's usually just #####ing about CNN.
The danger is not they aren't getting it from Fox and CNN, the danger is that he pushed it even farther off the grid so people are getting stuff from stuff that is even less reliable in order to avoid CNN and Fox.
Honestly, if the people you were referring to were black you would rightly be called a racist. You are implying "these people" are too dumb to read, interpret data and identify bias. I'm sure people would love to go to unbiased sources of news and not deal with the extra work...but sometimes you gotta workMostly, I push back and I am curious about what they mean by MSM media when they posted it. Turns out, it's usually just #####ing about CNN.
The danger is not they aren't getting it from Fox and CNN, the danger is that he pushed it even farther off the grid so people are getting stuff from stuff that is even less reliable in order to avoid CNN and Fox.
I dont disagree that its a problem and that available sources suck...but stop blaming the consumers.Yeah, I addressed it below and in other threads. It's not that he pushed people away from Fox, it's that he pushed them to his Twitter account and OAN, which is even worse.
It's not as though the result was "hey let's look at outlets from outside the country because they are less biased", and the media has lost in that sense. It's "
Have you seen OAN's numbers? That's some leftist red meat. I wouldn't be surprised that a sizable portion of their watcher's are people watching to see what they say next.Yeah, I addressed it below and in other threads. It's not that he pushed people away from Fox, it's that he pushed them to his Twitter account and OAN, which is even worse.
It's not as though the result was "hey let's look at outlets from outside the country because they are less biased", and the media has lost in that sense. It's "
The risks of getting killed by police pale in comparison to the risk of getting killed walking.
Because my hope is that we won't have another POTUS pushing those divides with his own rhetoric and actions constantly.
Exactly...all the while claiming sources are fake news or unreliable...yet getting information from sources with far less journalistic standards, more likely to fail basic fact checks, and pushing an even more extreme partisan agenda. We see it on this board often.Mostly, I push back and I am curious about what they mean by MSM media when they posted it. Turns out, it's usually just #####ing about CNN.
The danger is not they aren't getting it from Fox and CNN, the danger is that he pushed it even farther off the grid so people are getting stuff from stuff that is even less reliable in order to avoid CNN and Fox.
Not disagreeing with that at all, that's 100% the point.
Lets reply again to this from a different angle. Same perspective, but different view point. I assume that you are pretty large believer in the free market being the best way to both recognize and achieve our goals. At least more so than say a central government dictating what you should buy at what prices and what not.
Please don't put words in my mouth.Honestly, if the people you were referring to were black you would rightly be called a racist. You are implying "these people" are too dumb to read, interpret data and identify bias. I'm sure people would love to go to unbiased sources of news and not deal with the extra work...but sometimes you gotta work
Polarizing times seem bad when they’re happening but not necessarily afterwards. Brown vs Board of Education, for example,,is universally taught today as a supreme moment of triumph in our history.,But when it happened it nearly drove the nation apart in the angry reaction.
The last 3 presidents have pushed this narrative which is one of the reasons we are unstable as a nation right now and it’s not getting better. So based on your opinion everything should get better? When I can expect normalization where we are not pitted against each by race, wealth and politics?
Maybe when systemic racism isn’t a thing? Being that many people can’t seem to even acknowledge it’s a problem i don’t think you can expect that to be fixed anytime soon. Like an alcoholic you have to admit there is a problem first.
Yes I’m a believer in free markets and small government. I agree the road is never ending and will be bumpy at times but the fractures are the biggest in my life time (1966). I see less people open to debates but rather it’s the sledge hammer approach thru violence or shouting down from their social media accounts .
when you have an agenda driven media that is so jaded to one side it is not hard to be skeptical.
I honestly don’t believe any police reform will solve police killing people unless you take guns away from the police.
Trump is part of the problem also. If Shepard Smith, Chris Matthews, etc didn’t kiss his ###, he wanted them gone. Newsmax would really be nonexistent otherwise.
blame Biden - he's the sitting president and has said far more racist things. remember, he's been in DC 40 years and we've STILL got all these problems? WTH did he do in all those years to solve anything when we are where we are right now ? unbelievable isn't it ?
Regarding just the media, Trump tried to control it at every turn.
I think anonymous sources can be good, it’s a very fine line. A trusted source doesn’t want to be tied to a story for a number of reasons. Making up stories and claiming anonymous sources are a no go.
I read the article on CNN manipulating and faking information to diss Trump - is that the same article ?
Isn't the media simply providing the product that consumers demand? Would a greater supply of unbias media sources create its own demand? Or do biased sources thrive simply because that is what consumers want?
I am hopeful it will get better and I think the last POTUS pushed it far more than Bush or Obama ever did and it wasn’t close.
Sort of. But there is a lot of moaning about people "not consuming" it. I think we'll see over the next few years, and we are already seeing, a ton of new sources of information and more importantly "thought", they just wont be the traditional monoliths and people who are fans of the monoliths will need to accept thats not bad.
Expect? No. Hopeful? Sure.
Even if this was 100% true. That still doesnt absolve the media when they do it. Unless we are going to just brand them all entertainment.
Police killing people is not the problem. Police killing people as part of institutionalized racism is the problem. And that WIlLL get better. It’s better now than it was 30 years ago, and wayyy better than it was 60 years ago. But it’s still a big problem, and as @PinkydaPimpsays, part of the problem is that not everyone acknowledges that. Still a whole lot more people now do as compared to a couple of years ago, thanks to the death of George Floyd. It’s sad that it takes a murder to wake people up but that’s how the world tends to work. We move forward slowly but we move forward.
No, the mainstream media is not a problem,
I think mostly everyone will acknowledge there was and still is racism and we are getting better as a nation all the time. But that’s not the root of our problems today.
I think I've been pretty clear on my stance. It's not the fact that Trump called out the media for having bias. The problem was twofold:
That's what I said was happening. 
Keeping hope alive for 2024.
