chet 4,508 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Not only shot an unarmed man in the back, but also appeared to tamper with the crime scene by planting a taser on the guy.Yep. Murder. Does not need to have a badge. Lock him up. Don't know if it was posted, but here's a gif of the officer allegedly planting the taser. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hang 10 3,657 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) Now if only our politicians wore body cams we might get some honesty there. And how about throwing in their sponsors on the suits(or dresses)they wear like Nascar drivers do?This fatal shooting brought to you by Godaddy.com Edited April 9, 2015 by Hang 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PatsWillWin 669 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Not only shot an unarmed man in the back, but also appeared to tamper with the crime scene by planting a taser on the guy.Yep. Murder. Does not need to have a badge. Lock him up. Don't know if it was posted, but here's a gif of the officer allegedly planting the taser.That's chilling.I wonder if the fact that the victim's fingerprints on the taser would've posed a problem for this cover story. Either the cop didn't think about it, or maybe he knew it wouldn't even be tested for prints as his story would've be thoroughly checked out, which is also chilling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hang 10 3,657 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Not only shot an unarmed man in the back, but also appeared to tamper with the crime scene by planting a taser on the guy.Yep. Murder. Does not need to have a badge. Lock him up. Don't know if it was posted, but here's a gif of the officer allegedly planting the taser.That's chilling.I wonder if the fact that the victim's fingerprints on the taser would've posed a problem for this cover story. Either the cop didn't think about it, or maybe he knew it wouldn't even be tested for prints as his story would've be thoroughly checked out, which is also chilling.Weren't they wrestling at some point before the shooting? Maybe Scott really did grab at it and his prints were on the taser. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chet 4,508 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Not only shot an unarmed man in the back, but also appeared to tamper with the crime scene by planting a taser on the guy.Yep. Murder. Does not need to have a badge. Lock him up. Don't know if it was posted, but here's a gif of the officer allegedly planting the taser.That's chilling.I wonder if the fact that the victim's fingerprints on the taser would've posed a problem for this cover story. Either the cop didn't think about it, or maybe he knew it wouldn't even be tested for prints as his story would've be thoroughly checked out, which is also chilling.Weren't they wrestling at some point before the shooting? Maybe Scott really did grab at it and his prints were on the taser. Even if Scott had stolen the taser, it wouldn't have justified 8 bullets in the back. Police are out of control. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hang 10 3,657 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Not only shot an unarmed man in the back, but also appeared to tamper with the crime scene by planting a taser on the guy.Yep. Murder. Does not need to have a badge. Lock him up. Don't know if it was posted, but here's a gif of the officer allegedly planting the taser.That's chilling.I wonder if the fact that the victim's fingerprints on the taser would've posed a problem for this cover story. Either the cop didn't think about it, or maybe he knew it wouldn't even be tested for prints as his story would've be thoroughly checked out, which is also chilling.Weren't they wrestling at some point before the shooting? Maybe Scott really did grab at it and his prints were on the taser. Even if Scott had stolen the taser, it wouldn't have justified 8 bullets in the back. Police are out of control.Never said that it did. Was just considering why the cop figured planting the taser was a viable self-defense strategy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ditkaless Wonders 16,250 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) The conversation about this would be even more gripping had the officer thrown down a handgun, instead of having interfered with the integrity of the crime scene by moving the location of the tazer.The act of moving the tazer also calls into question the Officer's understanding of the law. I mean it would have been a fairly poor attempt at a defense to say the Officer was in fear for his safety from a fat man, 35 some feet away, heading in the other direction, holding a tazer whose cartridge had already been discharged, and whose range is less than that distance. I guess maybe he could have tried to make some argument that the suspect was moving towards his unsuspecting partner while wielding the generally non-deadly weapon, but that maybe it could have been used to disarm the partner, but even that would be pretty damn silly as the correct action would have been to radio the partner of the circumstances and to have warned the deceased to have dropped the device. In addition to the criminal, this Officer had a whole lot of stupid going on. Of course there has always been a high correlation between criminality and stupidity, at least for the criminals we become well aware of. Edited April 9, 2015 by Ditkaless Wonders Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Summer 9,489 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 The cop is going to claim that he thought the guy took his taser, and the jury will believe him, and he will be found not guilty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigJohn 351 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 The cop is going to claim that he thought the guy took his taser, and the jury will believe him, and he will be found not guilty.Is this another hypothetical scenario had the video not existed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Krankie 15 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I hate the implication that because one incident happens one way, it somehow casts light on what happened in other cases. Cops face real danger on a daily basis and act appropriately in some cases. In some cases the circumstances are very grey where it is somewhat justifiable. And in other cases, the cop was completely out of line and should be charged with a crime. Nothing which happened here means anything to any of the other recent cases and to imply it does just shows ignorant bias. When we were discussing the Ferguson shooting, some of us found it very implausible that the victim would run away from a police officer and then turn around and charge the officer in the face of bullets fired at him. There was no video in that case, and many people here simply took the word of the police officer. Does this incident at least make you reconsider that one?In what way? One was hit in the back, the other was in the front? Reading comprehension issues? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Summer 9,489 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 The cop is going to claim that he thought the guy took his taser, and the jury will believe him, and he will be found not guilty.Is this another hypothetical scenario had the video not existed?The officer will tailor his story to fit the video -- he'll claim that the suspect took his taser, that he thought the suspect still had the taser as the suspect ran away, and that he was afraid that the suspect was about to shoot him with the taser. The jury will give him the benefit of the doubt and he'll be found not guilty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Uwe Blab 822 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This guy could have been a serial killer or the most despicable criminal on the planet and still there is technically no justification for ever shooting someone in the back. I cared that Trayvon had a criminal history as he was fighting with someone and there was a possibility of justification for the shooting. Same for Ferguson. This is cold blooded murder and has no similarity to the other cases.I think this is going to be the tipping point in this whole cop/vs black saga. It still is absolutely baffling to me what kind of mindset the cop could have had? HTF does he not know he is screwed after shooting an unarmed person in the back numerous times as they are running away? Obviously his life wasn't being threatened. This guy is borderline psychotic like Hernandez IMO not to mention incredibly stupid.People I would shoot in the back:HitlerGenghis KahnJeffrey DahmerOsama Bin LadenCharles MansonEd GeinPeople that look like Ed GeinMengeleStalinMaoHines WardIdi AminPol PotTamerlaneTed BundyBalky from Perfect StrangersThe North Korean Kims (all of em!)Ivan DragoThat Cleveland dude that holed up the womenMr. BeanQuick Draw McGrawJoe KONYKing Leopold II 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ditka Butkus 1,817 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Not only shot an unarmed man in the back, but also appeared to tamper with the crime scene by planting a taser on the guy.Yep. Murder. Does not need to have a badge. Lock him up. Don't know if it was posted, but here's a gif of the officer allegedly planting the taser.That's chilling.I wonder if the fact that the victim's fingerprints on the taser would've posed a problem for this cover story. Either the cop didn't think about it, or maybe he knew it wouldn't even be tested for prints as his story would've be thoroughly checked out, which is also chilling.Weren't they wrestling at some point before the shooting? Maybe Scott really did grab at it and his prints were on the taser. Even if Scott had stolen the taser, it wouldn't have justified 8 bullets in the back. Police are out of control.All of them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ditka Butkus 1,817 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This guy could have been a serial killer or the most despicable criminal on the planet and still there is technically no justification for ever shooting someone in the back. I cared that Trayvon had a criminal history as he was fighting with someone and there was a possibility of justification for the shooting. Same for Ferguson. This is cold blooded murder and has no similarity to the other cases.I think this is going to be the tipping point in this whole cop/vs black saga. It still is absolutely baffling to me what kind of mindset the cop could have had? HTF does he not know he is screwed after shooting an unarmed person in the back numerous times as they are running away? Obviously his life wasn't being threatened. This guy is borderline psychotic like Hernandez IMO not to mention incredibly stupid.People I would shoot in the back:HitlerGenghis KahnJeffrey DahmerOsama Bin LadenCharles MansonEd GeinPeople that look like Ed GeinMengeleStalinMaoHines WardIdi AminPol PotTamerlaneTed BundyBalky from Perfect StrangersThe North Korean Kims (all of em!)Ivan DragoThat Cleveland dude that holed up the womenMr. BeanQuick Draw McGrawJoe KONYKing Leopold II Hines Ward.....can I ask why. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PatsWillWin 669 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 The cop is going to claim that he thought the guy took his taser, and the jury will believe him, and he will be found not guilty.Is this another hypothetical scenario had the video not existed?The officer will tailor his story to fit the video -- he'll claim that the suspect took his taser, that he thought the suspect still had the taser as the suspect ran away, and that he was afraid that the suspect was about to shoot him with the taser. The jury will give him the benefit of the doubt and he'll be found not guilty.Except that doesn't, at all, fit the video. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ditkaless Wonders 16,250 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This guy could have been a serial killer or the most despicable criminal on the planet and still there is technically no justification for ever shooting someone in the back. I cared that Trayvon had a criminal history as he was fighting with someone and there was a possibility of justification for the shooting. Same for Ferguson. This is cold blooded murder and has no similarity to the other cases.I think this is going to be the tipping point in this whole cop/vs black saga. It still is absolutely baffling to me what kind of mindset the cop could have had? HTF does he not know he is screwed after shooting an unarmed person in the back numerous times as they are running away? Obviously his life wasn't being threatened. This guy is borderline psychotic like Hernandez IMO not to mention incredibly stupid.People I would shoot in the back:HitlerGenghis KahnJeffrey DahmerOsama Bin LadenCharles MansonEd GeinPeople that look like Ed GeinMengeleStalinMaoHines WardIdi AminPol PotTamerlaneTed BundyBalky from Perfect StrangersThe North Korean Kims (all of em!)Ivan DragoThat Cleveland dude that holed up the womenMr. BeanQuick Draw McGrawJoe KONYKing Leopold II Hines Ward.....can I ask why.Perhaps a cross over from his list of people whose chutes he would pack? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ditka Butkus 1,817 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This guy could have been a serial killer or the most despicable criminal on the planet and still there is technically no justification for ever shooting someone in the back. I cared that Trayvon had a criminal history as he was fighting with someone and there was a possibility of justification for the shooting. Same for Ferguson. This is cold blooded murder and has no similarity to the other cases.I think this is going to be the tipping point in this whole cop/vs black saga. It still is absolutely baffling to me what kind of mindset the cop could have had? HTF does he not know he is screwed after shooting an unarmed person in the back numerous times as they are running away? Obviously his life wasn't being threatened. This guy is borderline psychotic like Hernandez IMO not to mention incredibly stupid.People I would shoot in the back:HitlerGenghis KahnJeffrey DahmerOsama Bin LadenCharles MansonEd GeinPeople that look like Ed GeinMengeleStalinMaoHines WardIdi AminPol PotTamerlaneTed BundyBalky from Perfect StrangersThe North Korean Kims (all of em!)Ivan DragoThat Cleveland dude that holed up the womenMr. BeanQuick Draw McGrawJoe KONYKing Leopold II Hines Ward.....can I ask why.Perhaps a cross over from his list of people whose chutes he would pack?He either slept with his wife or its the crack -back block thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AhrnCityPahnder 4,607 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This video doesn't show Walter Scott's eyes. He looked like some sort of demon. /notguilty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ditkaless Wonders 16,250 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) This guy could have been a serial killer or the most despicable criminal on the planet and still there is technically no justification for ever shooting someone in the back. I cared that Trayvon had a criminal history as he was fighting with someone and there was a possibility of justification for the shooting. Same for Ferguson. This is cold blooded murder and has no similarity to the other cases.I think this is going to be the tipping point in this whole cop/vs black saga. It still is absolutely baffling to me what kind of mindset the cop could have had? HTF does he not know he is screwed after shooting an unarmed person in the back numerous times as they are running away? Obviously his life wasn't being threatened. This guy is borderline psychotic like Hernandez IMO not to mention incredibly stupid.People I would shoot in the back:HitlerGenghis KahnJeffrey DahmerOsama Bin LadenCharles MansonEd GeinPeople that look like Ed GeinMengeleStalinMaoHines WardIdi AminPol PotTamerlaneTed BundyBalky from Perfect StrangersThe North Korean Kims (all of em!)Ivan DragoThat Cleveland dude that holed up the womenMr. BeanQuick Draw McGrawJoe KONYKing Leopold II Hines Ward.....can I ask why.Perhaps a cross over from his list of people whose chutes he would pack?He either slept with his wife or its the crack -back block thing.See, this is where pronouns can be tricky. We could have the meaning be that Hines slept with Uwe's wife or the other way around. I can't see being mad about the latter, but who knows what can anger a fellow. Edited April 9, 2015 by Ditkaless Wonders Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ditka Butkus 1,817 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Scott did owe back child support — and some have speculated that's why he ran — but he also had minor traffic infractions on his record. South Carolina's Post and Courier reported that Scott had been arrested about 10 times, mostly for failure to appear for court hearings and child support. The paper also said his first arrest was in 1987 for assault and battery, but that could not immediately be confirmed by NBC News.The child support thing is relevant in that it informs us as to why he may have ran. That's it. And that has nothing to do with the culpability of the police officer for murdering him.It is one way to get out of paying back/future child support. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whiskey7 502 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 The cop is going to claim that he thought the guy took his taser, and the jury will believe him, and he will be found not guilty.Is this another hypothetical scenario had the video not existed?The officer will tailor his story to fit the video -- he'll claim that the suspect took his taser, that he thought the suspect still had the taser as the suspect ran away, and that he was afraid that the suspect was about to shoot him with the taser. The jury will give him the benefit of the doubt and he'll be found not guilty.You seem to be struggling here... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ditka Butkus 1,817 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This guy could have been a serial killer or the most despicable criminal on the planet and still there is technically no justification for ever shooting someone in the back. I cared that Trayvon had a criminal history as he was fighting with someone and there was a possibility of justification for the shooting. Same for Ferguson. This is cold blooded murder and has no similarity to the other cases.I think this is going to be the tipping point in this whole cop/vs black saga. It still is absolutely baffling to me what kind of mindset the cop could have had? HTF does he not know he is screwed after shooting an unarmed person in the back numerous times as they are running away? Obviously his life wasn't being threatened. This guy is borderline psychotic like Hernandez IMO not to mention incredibly stupid.People I would shoot in the back:HitlerGenghis KahnJeffrey DahmerOsama Bin LadenCharles MansonEd GeinPeople that look like Ed GeinMengeleStalinMaoHines WardIdi AminPol PotTamerlaneTed BundyBalky from Perfect StrangersThe North Korean Kims (all of em!)Ivan DragoThat Cleveland dude that holed up the womenMr. BeanQuick Draw McGrawJoe KONYKing Leopold II Hines Ward.....can I ask why.Perhaps a cross over from his list of people whose chutes he would pack?He either slept with his wife or its the crack -back block thing.See, this is where pronouns can be tricky. We could have the meaning be that Hines slept with Uwe's wife or the other way around. I can't see being mad about the latter, but who knows what can anger a fellow. Maybe Hines has a large schlong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whiskey7 502 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Not only shot an unarmed man in the back, but also appeared to tamper with the crime scene by planting a taser on the guy.Yep. Murder. Does not need to have a badge. Lock him up. Don't know if it was posted, but here's a gif of the officer allegedly planting the taser.That's chilling.I wonder if the fact that the victim's fingerprints on the taser would've posed a problem for this cover story. Either the cop didn't think about it, or maybe he knew it wouldn't even be tested for prints as his story would've be thoroughly checked out, which is also chilling.Weren't they wrestling at some point before the shooting? Maybe Scott really did grab at it and his prints were on the taser. Even if Scott had stolen the taser, it wouldn't have justified 8 bullets in the back. THIS Police officer was out of control.FIFY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Commish 13,445 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 CNN had an interview with the shooter of the video. Said there was a scuffle on the ground for a short period and that it looked like the cop had everything under control. They stood up and the guy took off running. Never saw the guy with a taser etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timschochet 33,373 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This guy could have been a serial killer or the most despicable criminal on the planet and still there is technically no justification for ever shooting someone in the back. I cared that Trayvon had a criminal history as he was fighting with someone and there was a possibility of justification for the shooting. Same for Ferguson. This is cold blooded murder and has no similarity to the other cases.I think this is going to be the tipping point in this whole cop/vs black saga. It still is absolutely baffling to me what kind of mindset the cop could have had? HTF does he not know he is screwed after shooting an unarmed person in the back numerous times as they are running away? Obviously his life wasn't being threatened. This guy is borderline psychotic like Hernandez IMO not to mention incredibly stupid. But there ARE strong similarities, at least for those of us who believe Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown were wrongfully murdered. IMO, the only significant difference between this incident and those two incidents is that this one was videotaped. No way I can prove that of course. But it's remarkable how many people are saying, "Oh this ones totally different". It's not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Insein 10,560 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This guy could have been a serial killer or the most despicable criminal on the planet and still there is technically no justification for ever shooting someone in the back. I cared that Trayvon had a criminal history as he was fighting with someone and there was a possibility of justification for the shooting. Same for Ferguson. This is cold blooded murder and has no similarity to the other cases.I think this is going to be the tipping point in this whole cop/vs black saga. It still is absolutely baffling to me what kind of mindset the cop could have had? HTF does he not know he is screwed after shooting an unarmed person in the back numerous times as they are running away? Obviously his life wasn't being threatened. This guy is borderline psychotic like Hernandez IMO not to mention incredibly stupid.People I would shoot in the back:HitlerGenghis KahnJeffrey DahmerOsama Bin LadenCharles MansonEd GeinPeople that look like Ed GeinMengeleStalinMaoHines WardIdi AminPol PotTamerlaneTed BundyBalky from Perfect StrangersThe North Korean Kims (all of em!)Ivan DragoThat Cleveland dude that holed up the womenMr. BeanQuick Draw McGrawJoe KONYKing Leopold II Hines Ward.....can I ask why.That was the one that caught my eye too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timschochet 33,373 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I hate the implication that because one incident happens one way, it somehow casts light on what happened in other cases. Cops face real danger on a daily basis and act appropriately in some cases. In some cases the circumstances are very grey where it is somewhat justifiable. And in other cases, the cop was completely out of line and should be charged with a crime. Nothing which happened here means anything to any of the other recent cases and to imply it does just shows ignorant bias. When we were discussing the Ferguson shooting, some of us found it very implausible that the victim would run away from a police officer and then turn around and charge the officer in the face of bullets fired at him. There was no video in that case, and many people here simply took the word of the police officer. Does this incident at least make you reconsider that one? In what way? One was hit in the back, the other was in the front? Reading comprehension issues?in the way that when white police officers shoot unarmed black men in this country, it might be wise to take the cop's explanation with a certain amount of healthy skepticism. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ookie Pringle 65 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I hate the implication that because one incident happens one way, it somehow casts light on what happened in other cases. Cops face real danger on a daily basis and act appropriately in some cases. In some cases the circumstances are very grey where it is somewhat justifiable. And in other cases, the cop was completely out of line and should be charged with a crime. Nothing which happened here means anything to any of the other recent cases and to imply it does just shows ignorant bias.When we were discussing the Ferguson shooting, some of us found it very implausible that the victim would run away from a police officer and then turn around and charge the officer in the face of bullets fired at him. There was no video in that case, and many people here simply took the word of the police officer. Does this incident at least make you reconsider that one?In what way? One was hit in the back, the other was in the front? Reading comprehension issues?in the way that when white police officers shoot unarmed black men in this country, it might be wise to take the cop's explanation with a certain amount of healthy skepticism. It might be wise to accept there were witnesses that saw Brown walking towards the cop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timschochet 33,373 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 The conversation about this would be even more gripping had the officer thrown down a handgun, instead of having interfered with the integrity of the crime scene by moving the location of the tazer.The act of moving the tazer also calls into question the Officer's understanding of the law. I mean it would have been a fairly poor attempt at a defense to say the Officer was in fear for his safety from a fat man, 35 some feet away, heading in the other direction, holding a tazer whose cartridge had already been discharged, and whose range is less than that distance. I guess maybe he could have tried to make some argument that the suspect was moving towards his unsuspecting partner while wielding the generally non-deadly weapon, but that maybe it could have been used to disarm the partner, but even that would be pretty damn silly as the correct action would have been to radio the partner of the circumstances and to have warned the deceased to have dropped the device. In addition to the criminal, this Officer had a whole lot of stupid going on. Of course there has always been a high correlation between criminality and stupidity, at least for the criminals we become well aware of.yes it does seem awful dumb doesn't it? But I found George Zimmerman's and Wilson's stories to be pretty dumb and implausible as well, yet there were lots of people willing to accept their explanations at face value. Without the video, I'm 99.99% sure this guy would've gotten away with it too, whatever the evidence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigJohn 351 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I hate the implication that because one incident happens one way, it somehow casts light on what happened in other cases. Cops face real danger on a daily basis and act appropriately in some cases. In some cases the circumstances are very grey where it is somewhat justifiable. And in other cases, the cop was completely out of line and should be charged with a crime. Nothing which happened here means anything to any of the other recent cases and to imply it does just shows ignorant bias.When we were discussing the Ferguson shooting, some of us found it very implausible that the victim would run away from a police officer and then turn around and charge the officer in the face of bullets fired at him. There was no video in that case, and many people here simply took the word of the police officer. Does this incident at least make you reconsider that one?In what way? One was hit in the back, the other was in the front? Reading comprehension issues?in the way that when white police officers shoot unarmed black men in this country, it might be wise to take the cop's explanation with a certain amount of healthy skepticism.It might be wise to accept there were witnesses that saw Brown walking towards the cop.And forensic evidence, autopsies, but pish posh...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timschochet 33,373 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 And in this situation, if there was no video, both the autopsy and forensics would somehow end up justifying the shooting I would predict. And perhaps there would be "witnesses" willing to back up the cop's story. Who knows? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ookie Pringle 65 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 And in this situation, if there was no video, both the autopsy and forensics would somehow end up justifying the shooting I would predict. And perhaps there would be "witnesses" willing to back up the cop's story. Who knows? Just stop and take this to your thread. How is an autopsy and forensics going to disprove he was shot in the back 8 times? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigJohn 351 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 And in this situation, if there was no video, both the autopsy and forensics would somehow end up justifying the shooting I would predict. And perhaps there would be "witnesses" willing to back up the cop's story. Who knows?Just stop and take this to your thread. How is an autopsy and forensics going to disprove he was shot in the back 8 times?Tim thinks what Tim thinks. Nobody but Tim is going to change Tim's mind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timschochet 33,373 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 And in this situation, if there was no video, both the autopsy and forensics would somehow end up justifying the shooting I would predict. And perhaps there would be "witnesses" willing to back up the cop's story. Who knows?Just stop and take this to your thread. How is an autopsy and forensics going to disprove he was shot in the back 8 times?i have no idea. I believe that somehow it would though. Is it your contention that given the facts of this case, this police officer would be convicted without this video? Yes or no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ookie Pringle 65 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 And in this situation, if there was no video, both the autopsy and forensics would somehow end up justifying the shooting I would predict. And perhaps there would be "witnesses" willing to back up the cop's story. Who knows?Just stop and take this to your thread. How is an autopsy and forensics going to disprove he was shot in the back 8 times?i have no idea. I believe that somehow it would though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hang 10 3,657 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Tim, don't you have your own thread for your trolling? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timschochet 33,373 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This isn't trolling. I'm not expressing anything here that isn't being said all over TV and elsewhere. Without the video, this guy gets off despite the evidence, because they ALWAYS get off. And if you disagree with this, please provide an example in recent years of a white cop convicted of shooting an unarmed black man. It's extremely rare. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ditkaless Wonders 16,250 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This isn't trolling. I'm not expressing anything here that isn't being said all over TV and elsewhere. Without the video, this guy gets off despite the evidence, because they ALWAYS get off.And if you disagree with this, please provide an example in recent years of a white cop convicted of shooting an unarmed black man. It's extremely rare.I believe you mean to say show you an example of a white cop being convicted for UNLAWFULLY shooting an unarmed black man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Officer Pete Malloy 19,151 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This isn't trolling. I'm not expressing anything here that isn't being said all over TV and elsewhere. Without the video, this guy gets off despite the evidence, because they ALWAYS get off.And if you disagree with this, please provide an example in recent years of a white cop convicted of shooting an unarmed black man. It's extremely rare.Make up your mind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lod01 905 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 The cop is going to claim that he thought the guy took his taser, and the jury will believe him, and he will be found not guilty.Is this another hypothetical scenario had the video not existed?The officer will tailor his story to fit the video -- he'll claim that the suspect took his taser, that he thought the suspect still had the taser as the suspect ran away, and that he was afraid that the suspect was about to shoot him with the taser. The jury will give him the benefit of the doubt and he'll be found not guilty.I'm leaning the opposite way. This guy is up #### creek and has no paddle. I say the jury will make an example out of this guy because that taser video is damning. It would take an OJ army of attorneys to save this guy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timschochet 33,373 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This isn't trolling. I'm not expressing anything here that isn't being said all over TV and elsewhere. Without the video, this guy gets off despite the evidence, because they ALWAYS get off.And if you disagree with this, please provide an example in recent years of a white cop convicted of shooting an unarmed black man. It's extremely rare.I believe you mean to say show you an example of a white cop being convicted for UNLAWFULLY shooting an unarmed black man.if it's lawful, then they're not convicted. So that's a given. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ookie Pringle 65 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 The cop is going to claim that he thought the guy took his taser, and the jury will believe him, and he will be found not guilty.Is this another hypothetical scenario had the video not existed?The officer will tailor his story to fit the video -- he'll claim that the suspect took his taser, that he thought the suspect still had the taser as the suspect ran away, and that he was afraid that the suspect was about to shoot him with the taser. The jury will give him the benefit of the doubt and he'll be found not guilty.I'm leaning the opposite way. This guy is up #### creek and has no paddle. I say the jury will make an example out of this guy because that taser video is damning. It would take an OJ army of attorneys to save this guy. This Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timschochet 33,373 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This isn't trolling. I'm not expressing anything here that isn't being said all over TV and elsewhere. Without the video, this guy gets off despite the evidence, because they ALWAYS get off.And if you disagree with this, please provide an example in recent years of a white cop convicted of shooting an unarmed black man. It's extremely rare. Make up your mind.not enough of a distinction to matter frankly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jon_mx 8,761 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This isn't trolling. I'm not expressing anything here that isn't being said all over TV and elsewhere. Without the video, this guy gets off despite the evidence, because they ALWAYS get off.And if you disagree with this, please provide an example in recent years of a white cop convicted of shooting an unarmed black man. It's extremely rare.I would guess in most cased of of victims who were shown to be shot in the back at a significant distance, the shooter end up in jail. I am sure there are a few exceptions, but not many people on either side excuse shooting a fleeing victim in the back regardless of your bias which says otherwise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timschochet 33,373 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 The cop is going to claim that he thought the guy took his taser, and the jury will believe him, and he will be found not guilty.Is this another hypothetical scenario had the video not existed?The officer will tailor his story to fit the video -- he'll claim that the suspect took his taser, that he thought the suspect still had the taser as the suspect ran away, and that he was afraid that the suspect was about to shoot him with the taser. The jury will give him the benefit of the doubt and he'll be found not guilty. I'm leaning the opposite way. This guy is up #### creek and has no paddle. I say the jury will make an example out of this guy because that taser video is damning. It would take an OJ army of attorneys to save this guy.absolutely. But I think it's even more than that. Nobody wants to defend this guy because nobody wants to admit that these sorts of incidents are part of a systemic problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timschochet 33,373 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This isn't trolling. I'm not expressing anything here that isn't being said all over TV and elsewhere. Without the video, this guy gets off despite the evidence, because they ALWAYS get off.And if you disagree with this, please provide an example in recent years of a white cop convicted of shooting an unarmed black man. It's extremely rare. I would guess in most cased of of victims who were shown to be shot in the back at a significant distance, the shooter end up in jail. I am sure there are a few exceptions, but not many people on either side excuse shooting a fleeing victim in the back regardless of your bias which says otherwise. Examples? If you'd like, I can show you some statistics on how many cop shootings are even prosecuted. But I'm guessing you know that figure already? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jon_mx 8,761 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 It never happens! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jon_mx 8,761 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 It Never Happens 2! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lod01 905 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 The cop is going to claim that he thought the guy took his taser, and the jury will believe him, and he will be found not guilty.Is this another hypothetical scenario had the video not existed?The officer will tailor his story to fit the video -- he'll claim that the suspect took his taser, that he thought the suspect still had the taser as the suspect ran away, and that he was afraid that the suspect was about to shoot him with the taser. The jury will give him the benefit of the doubt and he'll be found not guilty. I'm leaning the opposite way. This guy is up #### creek and has no paddle. I say the jury will make an example out of this guy because that taser video is damning. It would take an OJ army of attorneys to save this guy.absolutely. But I think it's even more than that. Nobody wants to defend this guy because nobody wants to admit that these sorts of incidents are part of a systemic problem.Yeah, he's probably got that problem too. Usually someone will step up and make a bigger name for themselves (Mark O'Mara) but this doesn't look like a case that someone would want to tackle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jon_mx 8,761 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 It Never Happens 3! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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