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Another killing at the hands of the Police (15 Viewers)
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Hang 10
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PatsWillWin
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That's chilling.
I wonder if the fact that the victim's fingerprints on the taser would've posed a problem for this cover story. Either the cop didn't think about it, or maybe he knew it wouldn't even be tested for prints as his story would've be thoroughly checked out, which is also chilling.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Weren't they wrestling at some point before the shooting? Maybe Scott really did grab at it and his prints were on the taser.
chet
Footballguy
Even if Scott had stolen the taser, it wouldn't have justified 8 bullets in the back. Police are out of control.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Never said that it did. Was just considering why the cop figured planting the taser was a viable self-defense strategy.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
The conversation about this would be even more gripping had the officer thrown down a handgun, instead of having interfered with the integrity of the crime scene by moving the location of the tazer.
The act of moving the tazer also calls into question the Officer's understanding of the law. I mean it would have been a fairly poor attempt at a defense to say the Officer was in fear for his safety from a fat man, 35 some feet away, heading in the other direction, holding a tazer whose cartridge had already been discharged, and whose range is less than that distance. I guess maybe he could have tried to make some argument that the suspect was moving towards his unsuspecting partner while wielding the generally non-deadly weapon, but that maybe it could have been used to disarm the partner, but even that would be pretty damn silly as the correct action would have been to radio the partner of the circumstances and to have warned the deceased to have dropped the device. In addition to the criminal, this Officer had a whole lot of stupid going on. Of course there has always been a high correlation between criminality and stupidity, at least for the criminals we become well aware of.
The act of moving the tazer also calls into question the Officer's understanding of the law. I mean it would have been a fairly poor attempt at a defense to say the Officer was in fear for his safety from a fat man, 35 some feet away, heading in the other direction, holding a tazer whose cartridge had already been discharged, and whose range is less than that distance. I guess maybe he could have tried to make some argument that the suspect was moving towards his unsuspecting partner while wielding the generally non-deadly weapon, but that maybe it could have been used to disarm the partner, but even that would be pretty damn silly as the correct action would have been to radio the partner of the circumstances and to have warned the deceased to have dropped the device. In addition to the criminal, this Officer had a whole lot of stupid going on. Of course there has always been a high correlation between criminality and stupidity, at least for the criminals we become well aware of.
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Joe Summer
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The cop is going to claim that he thought the guy took his taser, and the jury will believe him, and he will be found not guilty.
BigJohn
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Krankie
Footballguy
In what way? One was hit in the back, the other was in the front? Reading comprehension issues?
Joe Summer
Footballguy
The officer will tailor his story to fit the video -- he'll claim that the suspect took his taser, that he thought the suspect still had the taser as the suspect ran away, and that he was afraid that the suspect was about to shoot him with the taser. The jury will give him the benefit of the doubt and he'll be found not guilty.
Uwe Blab
Footballguy
People I would shoot in the back:
Hitler
Genghis Kahn
Jeffrey Dahmer
Osama Bin Laden
Charles Manson
Ed Gein
People that look like Ed Gein
Mengele
Stalin
Mao
Hines Ward
Idi Amin
Pol Pot
Tamerlane
Ted Bundy
Balky from Perfect Strangers
The North Korean Kims (all of em!)
Ivan Drago
That Cleveland dude that holed up the women
Mr. Bean
Quick Draw McGraw
Joe KONY
King Leopold II
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Perhaps a cross over from his list of people whose chutes he would pack?Hines Ward.....can I ask why.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
He either slept with his wife or its the crack -back block thing.Perhaps a cross over from his list of people whose chutes he would pack?
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
This video doesn't show Walter Scott's eyes. He looked like some sort of demon.
/notguilty
/notguilty
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
See, this is where pronouns can be tricky. We could have the meaning be that Hines slept with Uwe's wife or the other way around. I can't see being mad about the latter, but who knows what can anger a fellow.He either slept with his wife or its the crack -back block thing.Perhaps a cross over from his list of people whose chutes he would pack?
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Ditka Butkus
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whiskey7
Footballguy
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Maybe Hines has a large schlong.See, this is where pronouns can be tricky. We could have the meaning be that Hines slept with Uwe's wife or the other way around. I can't see being mad about the latter, but who knows what can anger a fellow.He either slept with his wife or its the crack -back block thing.Perhaps a cross over from his list of people whose chutes he would pack?
whiskey7
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The Commish
Footballguy
CNN had an interview with the shooter of the video. Said there was a scuffle on the ground for a short period and that it looked like the cop had everything under control. They stood up and the guy took off running. Never saw the guy with a taser etc.
timschochet
Footballguy
But there ARE strong similarities, at least for those of us who believe Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown were wrongfully murdered. IMO, the only significant difference between this incident and those two incidents is that this one was videotaped. No way I can prove that of course. But it's remarkable how many people are saying, "Oh this ones totally different". It's not.
Insein
Footballguy
That was the one that caught my eye too.
timschochet
Footballguy
in the way that when white police officers shoot unarmed black men in this country, it might be wise to take the cop's explanation with a certain amount of healthy skepticism.
Ookie Pringle
Footballguy
It might be wise to accept there were witnesses that saw Brown walking towards the cop.
timschochet
Footballguy
yes it does seem awful dumb doesn't it? But I found George Zimmerman's and Wilson's stories to be pretty dumb and implausible as well, yet there were lots of people willing to accept their explanations at face value. Without the video, I'm 99.99% sure this guy would've gotten away with it too, whatever the evidence.
BigJohn
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timschochet
Footballguy
And in this situation, if there was no video, both the autopsy and forensics would somehow end up justifying the shooting I would predict. And perhaps there would be "witnesses" willing to back up the cop's story. Who knows?
Ookie Pringle
Footballguy
Just stop and take this to your thread. How is an autopsy and forensics going to disprove he was shot in the back 8 times?
BigJohn
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
i have no idea. I believe that somehow it would though. Is it your contention that given the facts of this case, this police officer would be convicted without this video? Yes or no?
Ookie Pringle
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
This isn't trolling. I'm not expressing anything here that isn't being said all over TV and elsewhere. Without the video, this guy gets off despite the evidence, because they ALWAYS get off.
And if you disagree with this, please provide an example in recent years of a white cop convicted of shooting an unarmed black man. It's extremely rare.
And if you disagree with this, please provide an example in recent years of a white cop convicted of shooting an unarmed black man. It's extremely rare.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I believe you mean to say show you an example of a white cop being convicted for UNLAWFULLY shooting an unarmed black man.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
lod01
Footballguy
I'm leaning the opposite way. This guy is up #### creek and has no paddle. I say the jury will make an example out of this guy because that taser video is damning. It would take an OJ army of attorneys to save this guy.
timschochet
Footballguy
if it's lawful, then they're not convicted. So that's a given.
Ookie Pringle
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
not enough of a distinction to matter frankly.
I would guess in most cased of of victims who were shown to be shot in the back at a significant distance, the shooter end up in jail. I am sure there are a few exceptions, but not many people on either side excuse shooting a fleeing victim in the back regardless of your bias which says otherwise.
timschochet
Footballguy
absolutely. But I think it's even more than that. Nobody wants to defend this guy because nobody wants to admit that these sorts of incidents are part of a systemic problem.
timschochet
Footballguy
Examples? If you'd like, I can show you some statistics on how many cop shootings are even prosecuted. But I'm guessing you know that figure already?
lod01
Footballguy
Yeah, he's probably got that problem too. Usually someone will step up and make a bigger name for themselves (Mark O'Mara) but this doesn't look like a case that someone would want to tackle.
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