tri-man 47
Footballguy
So sad that it comes down to this. He does seem to be the only sane one of the bunch. Christie would be entertaining, though.
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Official John Kasich 2016 thread (1 Viewer)
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
Poop! The way I heard it on the radio today I thought Michigan was before Super Tuesday.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
I hope he savors these few hours.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Galileo
Footballguy
Not sure any candidate is "the answer", but Kasich has been an above average governor IMO. Outside the realm of education, which has been a bit of a train wreck, he has done an adequate job.
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
That's how it seems to me, an outsider to his politics. His policies seem to be in line with my beliefs, I'd like to hear from someone who has lived under his Govern why he would be bad for America.
Righetti
Footballguy
Sweet J
Footballguy
By the way, I just got a call from the RNC. I was doing a jigsaw puzzle with my daughter so I decided to take it.
"So, sir, would you agree that Hillary Clinton would be a disaster."
- I'm not a fan. I don't know about disaster, but I'm not a fan.
After some discussion, in which I say that I'm a registered Independent, and never voted for a Republican president in my entire adult life, but could possibly do it if Hillary runs and the right R runs against her:
"So, would you be willing to donate to the RNC. Just a small donation of 100 or 200 would go a long way to fighting the unbridled liberalism of Hillary.
-- Dude, you aren't reading your audience, here. You gotta go off script.
"Ummm. . . . but you'd agree that Hillary is something we need to fight against."
-- Sure. She's a big fat liar.
"Great! So, how about a small donation to help keep her and that socialist Bernie Sand--"
-- Good Christ, are you even listening? Here, I'll help you out. You have a computer in front of you, right? Write down somewhere next to my name that if Hillary wins the nomination, and Kasich wins for the Republicans, that you can call me back and I promise I'll give you 100 bucks. But that if the RNC lets crazy-### Cruz, Trump, or even Rubio win, I'm donating to Hillary.
" ummm . . . Thanks?"
-- good talk.
"So, sir, would you agree that Hillary Clinton would be a disaster."
- I'm not a fan. I don't know about disaster, but I'm not a fan.
After some discussion, in which I say that I'm a registered Independent, and never voted for a Republican president in my entire adult life, but could possibly do it if Hillary runs and the right R runs against her:
"So, would you be willing to donate to the RNC. Just a small donation of 100 or 200 would go a long way to fighting the unbridled liberalism of Hillary.
-- Dude, you aren't reading your audience, here. You gotta go off script.
"Ummm. . . . but you'd agree that Hillary is something we need to fight against."
-- Sure. She's a big fat liar.
"Great! So, how about a small donation to help keep her and that socialist Bernie Sand--"
-- Good Christ, are you even listening? Here, I'll help you out. You have a computer in front of you, right? Write down somewhere next to my name that if Hillary wins the nomination, and Kasich wins for the Republicans, that you can call me back and I promise I'll give you 100 bucks. But that if the RNC lets crazy-### Cruz, Trump, or even Rubio win, I'm donating to Hillary.
" ummm . . . Thanks?"
-- good talk.
I posted this in the GOP thread:Kasich has acted incredibly irresponsibly as governor with its budget. He got the state finances in order by drastically cutting local funding. It's just a shell game where he cuts the state budget but has worsened our communities budgets.
Additionally, he has a legal mandate to correct the method for funding schools - and he has ignored the problem and exacerbated it by cutting school funding - shifting the burden for funding back to local districts and in turn worsening the problem.
Yes he's cut state taxes, but he's worsened inequities locally. Unfortunately the people don't realize the cluster he's inflicted on our communities.
Galileo
Footballguy
How is that being irresponsible? He is obligated to balance a budget and he did so. Isn't the balancing process always a shell game? Don't feel butt-hurt because the shells weren't moved to place where you wanted them.ChopMeat said:
As I admitted earlier, education is a hot mess in many ways. The Ohio Supreme Court ruled on the unconstitutionality of school funding in 1997. Things were bounced around in the courts as Voinovich cast the decision as a form of judicial activism. After a fourth ruling in 2002, the court surrendered jurisdiction and basically said to remedy the problem would require citizens to pass a constitutional amendment. Obviously, that hasn't happened and the issue has remained through 4 governors: Voinovich, Taft, Strickland, and Kasich. So, this is hardy a Kasich specific issue, but clearly the problem still exists through his tenure.
The claim of Kasich cutting school funding is not quite a full picture either. Funding did decrease in his first couple years, but since has been on the rise. In fact, current levels surpass those of governor Strickland's budgets with recommendations for continued increases through 2017.
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Aerial Assault
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To all those considering this guy as some moderate - he's preparing to sign a bill cutting off Planned Parenthood funding in Ohio.
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root of all aliai
If the GOP wasn't a complete mess from the tea party this race would be between Bush, Kasich, and Rubio (for the fringe).
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
My Gawd, he wants to balance a budget by cutting costs. What was the alternative? The Left way of thinking as proven time and time again is to way overspend, charge up the debt as far as possible and worry about the bill way down the road hoping that day never comes.ChopMeat said:
It's incredible you describe balancing a budget or creating a budget and living within that budget as a "Shell Game". Are there any fiscal conservatives left?
Righetti
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Pre-Bush conservatism allegedly had two bench marks - 1. cautious but strong foreign policy with an aversion to nation building and Vietnamization, and 2. domestic monetary policy based around at least pretending or trying to get near a balanced budget.
Both those precepts disappeared. What was left was a shell.
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Aware. There have however been some sensible people here considering supporting him, because they think he's a moderate. He isn't, and he isn't signing these sorts of bills just because he's running for the R nomination. He has a long and unpleasant track record from his days in the Repub leadership in Congress. He only looks sane next to guys like Cruz.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Mister CIA
Footballguy
So, voting for Hillary in the primary could be a win for ... irony.
Bukkeye_State
Footballguy
Definitely a moderate.
MAC_32
Footballguy
There's no short way to describe just how badly he has screwed up Ohio's education system. I don't think this article covers everything in adequate detail, but it's long enough as is.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/02/10/the-education-mess-in-ohio-under-gov-john-kasich/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/02/10/the-education-mess-in-ohio-under-gov-john-kasich/
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Another great article summing up what an arch-conservative he is. 17 signed bills limiting reproductive rights. An enemy of education through demonization of teachers and public sector unions. A climate change denier and huge supporter of fracking. In short, if loons like Cruz and Trump weren't in this, he wouldn't be able to claim any "moderate" high ground whatsoever.
krista4
Footballguy
Yes. Anti-Planned Parenthood stance is a deal-breaker for me. Thanks for posting, AA.
krista4
Footballguy
To be clear, that article states he accepts climate change but doesn't know if it's man-made, not that he is a climate change denier. It makes at least a small difference to me.
The reproductive rights stuff is enough to send me running away, though.
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Aerial Assault
Footballguy
YW, krista.
It was largely your stated consideration of him that disturbed me. And yes, that's what he says on climate change, but his actions - most notably on the fracking - say otherwise.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Of the 3 establishment types left in the race, I like Kasich the best and would love to see him end up in the 3 way battle with Cruz and Trump.
And on that note I have some great news for Kasich supporters. It looks like Kasich is rising in the polls in South Carolina. Poll done over the weekend has Kasich going from obscurity of less than 1-2% with no staff in place...he has jumped up to over 10%, that's huge with a week to go. They don't vote until this coming Saturday.
Trump 37%
Cruz 17%
Rubio 15%...I see him slipping and more folks going towards Kasich.
Kasich 10.5%
Bush 10%...Jeb it's time to throw in the towel before you suffer any permanent damage.
And on that note I have some great news for Kasich supporters. It looks like Kasich is rising in the polls in South Carolina. Poll done over the weekend has Kasich going from obscurity of less than 1-2% with no staff in place...he has jumped up to over 10%, that's huge with a week to go. They don't vote until this coming Saturday.
Trump 37%
Cruz 17%
Rubio 15%...I see him slipping and more folks going towards Kasich.
Kasich 10.5%
Bush 10%...Jeb it's time to throw in the towel before you suffer any permanent damage.
skol asylum
Footballguy
Yeah, Kasich has no money from what i understand. Probably done soon.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
It would be a real sh+ show without Kasich. I say that because aside from Sanders he has more experience than any other candidate D or R right now
OH Senate 79-83
US Rep 83-01 (includes 6 year tenure as Chairman of House Budget Committee)
Gov OH 2011-16.
OH Senate 79-83
US Rep 83-01 (includes 6 year tenure as Chairman of House Budget Committee)
Gov OH 2011-16.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Well of course here in LA Gov Edwards just did this, and he said that he would and he just got elected. Now how much of that was disgust with Vitter, not sure....
Shula-holic
Footballguy
All you need to know is while John Bel Edwards answered our country's call, David Vitter missed a vote honoring our soldiers to answer a prostitute's call.
He's a one termer, you don't threaten LSU football in LA and survive.
Galileo
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
ffldrew
Footballguy
Expected that Edward as a Dem would do that - but if Kasich wants to be a Republican he shouldn't have sided with the enemy.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
3rd place somewhere?Mr.Pack said:
