Don't you mean a Chubb chubby? Pre knee injury I liked Chubb better but I would complain about landing either of these guys next year.I've been trying to acquire firsts next year and have been looking at other RBs. Some guys in my league are hot for Leonard; if one of my current two 1sts become the 1.01, I'll probably trade it.
I will admit I've had a Chubb boner for a while now. If he can get further back from his injury, I'd much rather have him.
It could be, it's just way too early to tell. Zeke didn't hit the heights he did until Dallas drafted him. Had he gone to CHI or TEN he wouldn't have hit nearly the value he did.I have the likely 1.1 and 1.3, not to mention my own first rounder which will be toward the end... will likely hang onto both of the early picks unless someone blows me away with an offer but from the sound of things maybe the 1.1 isn't as valuable as I thought. I guess I assumed Fournette would be the easy top pick similar to Zeke this year.
Good point. Zeke couldn't have had a better landing spot.It could be, it's just way too early to tell. Zeke didn't hit the heights he did until Dallas drafted him. Had he gone to CHI or TEN he wouldn't have hit nearly the value he did.
Alabama HC Nick Saban said that he "[hasn't] really seen a guy dominate his game like [LSU junior RB Leonard Fournette] did in his last game."
Saban was referring to Fournette's transcendent drubbing of Ole Miss prior to the bye week. In that one, the 6-foot-1, 230-pound junior detonated the Rebs to the tune of 284 yards rushing and a trio of long touchdown gallops. "We have a tremendous amount of respect for him. He looks as good as ever, and maybe even better," Saban said. In two career match-ups with Alabama, the Tide have limited Fournette to 110 yards on 40 carries (2.75 YPC). Showdown No. 3 is set for Saturday at 8 EST.
Source: Times Free Press
Nov 1 - 5:51 PM
Or maybe just maybe he's saying that because it's true. I mean seriously when has a running back in recent memory had a better game than 16 carries for 280+ yards in a power conference game? He's not exactly going out on a limb by praising that performance.Of course Nick is going to say that when he's playing against the guy coming up. Those players from LSU have been talking a lot of ####!!!
Alabama is going to try to embarrass LSU I can't wait for this game!!!
Tex
Coach speak nothing more. How did Fournette look the last time he saw them?Or maybe just maybe he's saying that because it's true. I mean seriously when has a running back in recent memory had a better game than 16 carries for 280+ yards in a power conference game? He's not exactly going out on a limb by praising that performance.
Well there ya have it, Williams is the guy to get. That and Fournette shouldn't be in the NFL.Fournette went 17 for 35 yards.
Earlier in the year, R Williams for Arkansas (who will NOT make the NFL) went 12 for 46.
The lad just can't pack a punch.Disclaimer: I am no scout. I watched Fournette for the fist me last night and came away very unimpressed.
So what are you tryin' to say, Tex?Fournette doesn't shy away from contact and that's his biggest problem when he faces a team like Alabama. He just can't man handle Alabama like he does other teams and he can't play that style at the NFL level.
Run over/through the first guy then outrun the rest will only get you so for. He's a big, strong bruiser with speed no vision, no wiggle, mediocre pass blocker and not enough receptions to know if he can catch.
Fournette hasn't been the same player since he played Alabama last year.
Tex
I felt the same...Disclaimer: I am no scout. I watched Fournette for the fist me last night and came away very unimpressed. Yes, Alabama's defense is top notch. However I was disappointed that Leonard did not use his size and try to dish it to them. I kept wanting him to lower his pads and punish Alabama for 2-3 yards but he did not seem to be that back. I only remember Guice getting one carry in the first half and thinking that is the back that should be in there the majority of the time as he plowed through a tackle to gain 3-4 yards. Not impressed with Fournette's physicality and think that could be a big negative at the next level.
Point being that every player that runs through tacklers in the NFL or runs around people in the NFL was once a college player that "isn't going to be able to do that in the NFL". There's no reason to think that Fournette won't be able to bowl people over in the NFL. It's not like this is Cadillac Williams doing it with a tiny frame. Fournette has the size for his power to translate to the next level.Peterson is in a class all by himself, Fournette is not Adrian Peterson. Every year someone is compared to ADP, two years ago it was Gurley, last year it was Zeke now it's Fournette!?!? It's funny.
I own both in Dynasty format on one team. How do they compare to ADP? No matter how good they are they are not ADP. Every year a running back is the best back to come out since ADP. It's come the thing to say, same thing was said about Richardson who was a bust. Same thing was said about Chubb before he got injured and I'm sure they'll be same the exact same about Barkley. LolPoint being that every player that runs through tacklers in the NFL or runs around people in the NFL was once a college player that "isn't going to be able to do that in the NFL". There's no reason to think that Fournette won't be able to bowl people over in the NFL. It's not like this is Cadillac Williams doing it with a tiny frame. Fournette has the size for his power to translate to the next level.
And I'm not sure that citing yourself against probably the consensus #1 and #2 dynasty RBs right now is making the point you think it is...
Well saying every year a running back is the best to come since ADP is hyperbole. You named three but Peterson came out 10 years ago, so you're missing 7. No one was saying Knowshon Moreno or Mark Ingram are the next Peterson.I own both in Dynasty format on one team. How do they compare to ADP? No matter how good they are they are not ADP. Every year a running back is the best back to come out since ADP. It's come the thing to say, same thing was said about Richardson who was a bust. Same thing was said about Chubb before he got injured and I'm sure they'll be same the exact same about Barkley. Lol
Tex
So sad to read this...not that I believe it is aawwwwful news (look at Ajayi right now), but still...Faust said:
I think everything will boil down to situation. What if we had Gurley in Dallas this year and Zeke in LA? Talent can only overcome so much.Faust said:
I think maybe Elliot could have hit 900 yards with almost 300 carries in LA. Gurley sucked as bad as his teammates. And yeah he faced the 49ers twice.I think everything will boil down to situation. What if we had Gurley in Dallas this year and Zeke in LA? Talent can only overcome so much.
This is an understatement. Gurley was historically bad. Gurley had 278 carries and didn't hit 900 yards. The next closest guy to do such a thing was Jeremy Hill on 222 carries.I think maybe Elliot could have hit 900 yards with almost 300 carries in LA. Gurley sucked as bad as his teammates. And yeah he faced the 49ers twice.
Put Andrew Luck on the Texans or Broncos and the kid would look like an all pro.All I know is.... last time a "once in a decade prospect" came out named Andrew Luck, I chose Trent Richardson and RG3. 1.1 and 1.2
the sad thing is, I was downtown in Cleveland playing Blackjack with Joe Haden and we talked about football. It was him who suggested I take Trent and RG3 ?
Looking at 2 top 4 picks this year (Our lottery is at Noon today)
and 5,7,13.
An NFL executive in personnel says LSU RB Leonard Fournette is "right there" with former Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott.
"He's special," the executive said of Fournette. "He's right there with (Ezekiel) Elliott. He's more powerful." You'll hear more of this comparison in the pre-Draft process. Earlier this month, NFL Media conducted a poll on the subject. In it, three of five NFL executives said they would take Fournette over Elliott. You don't see guys with Fournette's size/speed combination very often," one said. "He's a rare, rare talent. He's the most talented runner to come out since Adrian Peterson."
Source: NJ.com
Jan 26 - 3:16 PM
They should have polled the Alabama coaching staff. I'm sure the results would be different. LOLAn NFL executive in personnel says LSU RB Leonard Fournette is "right there" with former Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott.
"He's special," the executive said of Fournette. "He's right there with (Ezekiel) Elliott. He's more powerful." You'll hear more of this comparison in the pre-Draft process. Earlier this month, NFL Media conducted a poll on the subject. In it, three of five NFL executives said they would take Fournette over Elliott. You don't see guys with Fournette's size/speed combination very often," one said. "He's a rare, rare talent. He's the most talented runner to come out since Adrian Peterson."
LSU RB Leonard Fournette saw his carry-load decrease from 300 in 2015 to 129 in 2016.
Fournette was plagued by a finicky ankle injury throughout this past season. The injury forced him to miss six games. While this was not ideal for LSU during the campaign itself, it had the side benefit of knocking Fournette's carries down by over 50%. "Mileage was a concern heading into the season," writes ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr., "but that's less of an issue now." Kiper slots Fournette in at No. 6 on his latest Big Board. Either he or Dalvin Cook figure to be the first running back selected when April's draft hits.
Source: ESPN Insider
Feb 11 - 4:40 PM
@lifesyourcup@evansilva Fournette’s Yards Created per Attempt with QB under center: 6.11 (which is fantastic). Shotgun: 4.14 (below avg.).
I'm curious what your top 5 or so RBs are for this 2017 class.Xue said:
Interesting stat given how many mocks have him going to Carolina.Xue said:
I am beginning to like this pick if he is there. He could be exactly what that offense needs to go next level.Interesting stat given how many mocks have him going to Carolina.
Except Carolina runs a huge amount of their offense out of the shotgun with Cam, and like AP, Fournette isn't special there.I am beginning to like this pick if he is there. He could be exactly what that offense needs to go next level.
Pro Football Focus compared LSU RB Leonard Fournette to Los Angeles Rams RB Todd Gurley.
"Like Gurley, Fournette has a size-speed blend that doesn’t come around often. He’s a powerful runner who consistently finishes runs through contact," notes the PFF analysis team. While Fournette turned in an all-world performance in 2015 -- the best in the last three seasons by any back according to Pro Football Focus' metrics -- the outlet notes that during the past campaign he was "at times indecisive and quick to abandon the intended point of attack, and not nearly as effective at making defenders miss." PFF believes the biggest draft question with Fournette is "whether the decrease in his effectiveness [in 2016] was solely due to [a nagging ankle] injury, or if there are other aspects at play."
Source: Pro Football Focus
Feb 21 - 8:15 PM