I think this is pretty likely too, especially with the rumors in the other threads on Cooks/Gurley, etc. about the owner being broke and them jettisoning salary no matter what the consequences to the team.
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WR Cooper Kupp, LAR (3 Viewers)
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jm192
Footballguy
I don't know what to do with him.
I see a guy with 94 receptions, 1100 yards and 10 TD's and think STUD. Give me all the shares.
But after the bye--his targets, receptions and yards all died. He saved himself with some TD production. I had him in my top 10 WR's earlier in the spring, but after diggin more--he's flirting with #20. Woods on the other hand is near the top 10, haha.
He'll be a year removed from the ACL tear. But, I think a lot of his production is going to Higbee. The talent is certainly there, but if they've changed the scheme away from him, he's hard to trust.
I see a guy with 94 receptions, 1100 yards and 10 TD's and think STUD. Give me all the shares.
But after the bye--his targets, receptions and yards all died. He saved himself with some TD production. I had him in my top 10 WR's earlier in the spring, but after diggin more--he's flirting with #20. Woods on the other hand is near the top 10, haha.
He'll be a year removed from the ACL tear. But, I think a lot of his production is going to Higbee. The talent is certainly there, but if they've changed the scheme away from him, he's hard to trust.
dkp993
Footballguy
He’s bar none our best red zone pass catcher and has been his entire career, he’s also the WR Goff trusts most. No way he get schemed out of the season. He’ll get his like he basically always has.
jm192
Footballguy
Where do you see his volume? 1st half of the season was like top 6? Second half was abysmal. Tough to gauge for next year?
dkp993
Footballguy
Right in the middle of that honestly. It’s certainly tough to gauge but McVay is well aware of his value and importance to the offense and will scheme him into the adjustments made at the end of the year last year. I’m not saying or thinking he’s a WR1 like he was for the first half of the year but he’s rock solid high end 2 (13-15 range, PPR).
Bob N. Weaver
Footballguy
So this says that Kupp will score 1 TD against divisional opponents when he scored 5 against them last year. OK
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wgoldsph
Footballguy
As a Kupp fan his td numbers to end the season were very flukey. Managed to get one in nearly every game (might have been every game don't remember) after the rams had moved to a two te base that put him on the sideline. There's bound to be negative td regression this year.Bob N. Weaver said:
wgoldsph
Footballguy
I don't disagree, but he caught more tds with less targets last year, with most coming late in games. Personally I see the rams under utilizing him again.
Bob N. Weaver
Footballguy
The only TD Kupp had in the 2nd half of the season against divisional opponents was one vs the Seahawks. So 4 of his 5 TDs against the division last year was in the 1st half of the season, so I see no correlation to what you say to support a TD regression against the division opponents (what the article says).
djmich
Footballguy
We'll see this year if slot wr for the pats is what it used to be. But yes him finding a role where slot is heavily used could be better for him than stuck on Rams using more 2TE sets.
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
Rams owner Stan Kroenke must be sh*tting golden eggs. Rams now have three players that earn $20M+ (Jared Goff, Aaron Donald, and now Jalen Ramsey). Where the heck do Rams getting cash influx?
Terpman22
Footballguy
Well, Stan is married to a Walmart Heiress, from whom he purchases the land I believe to build said stadium on, for starters. Not to mention the value increase from Nashville to Los Angeles.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Jerry Jones walked him down the aisle to the other owners to move the Rams to Los Angeles which created boatloads of cash/assets for all the NFL owners which went decades with no team in Los Angeles, they are all cashing in on Kroenke and Jerry Jones is a financial genius in terms of NFL Finances, the guy is totally revered by the other 31 owners, Jerry Jones makes money for ALL the Owners, Jones is really the Commish behind the curtains for all practical purposes.
But yeah that Kroenke has money coming out the wazoo, the Stadium is going to be worth Billions in terms of the land and the way it's used, also he gets rent from the Chargers using it as their home even though they haven't had much of a hand in building an inch of it.
Great posts, thanks.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I think you have to look at the Rams entire offense and when you start working it out on paper, it's not hard to want Kupp, not sure where he gets drafted but I've owned him since he entered the league, I've seen amazing things and I've also had some frustration and it's easy to be persuaded by the good times and overlook the bad.
Goff is infuriating and i think many are still on the fence if he is actually an NFL quality QB or going to be out of a job in the next year or two despite getting all that money.
That Super Bowl vs New England feels like 5 years ago at this point...but in the end he really has the best hands of anyone on the Rams and runs the slot as good as almost anyone in the league and is about to be paid like it...so there's that.
Goff is infuriating and i think many are still on the fence if he is actually an NFL quality QB or going to be out of a job in the next year or two despite getting all that money.
That Super Bowl vs New England feels like 5 years ago at this point...but in the end he really has the best hands of anyone on the Rams and runs the slot as good as almost anyone in the league and is about to be paid like it...so there's that.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Set to make about $2M this year, he will start that contract in 2021, good for both sides i think, he will still be ripe for a big contract when the 3/48 runs its course. Either way, good for Cooper Kupp, life changing money and I have confidence he will do great things on and off the field, good for him.
I think so, but Van is going to be so good that he’ll have to be getting targets and might allow them to just collect a comp pick for Woods.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Hmm. I was trying to use him as a piece in trades to land an RB, but might have to re-think that now and maybe use a different WR. The extension secures more solid projections beyond this season
From an NFL standpoint, I can't help but feel like this is just another example of the Rams throwing money around, and it likely costing them later. Kupp is a solid WR, but its very clear he's not a #1, and hasn't shown any ability to win anywhere other than the slot. He's the perfect example of a guy a team should let walk after his rookie deal is up, because his skill set is easily replaceable.
From a fantasy standpoint, it solidifies Kupp's long term value, as there might not have been a better situation than the Rams are in the NFL for Kupp. Solid WR2 going forward, as long as McVay is around, and unless the Rams completely bottom out, McVay should be around for years to come.
From a fantasy standpoint, it solidifies Kupp's long term value, as there might not have been a better situation than the Rams are in the NFL for Kupp. Solid WR2 going forward, as long as McVay is around, and unless the Rams completely bottom out, McVay should be around for years to come.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Every team has a guy that has racked up 195+ balls, 2,500+ yds and 21 TDs inside of their first 3 seasons while missing 10 starts to injuries over the last 2 seasons, league is just loaded with them, right?
Being a proto #1 has nothing to do with being key to acquiring a Lombardi. Kupp is kept for the latter.
That wasn't my point at all. McVay's offense(and Goff's skittish nature) inflates slot WR production. Those numbers are nice, but I do think there are a lot of guys who could have done similarly in that offense.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Kupp is a good wr and this is another dumb move by the Rams. Both things can be true. If they weren't in an awful cap situation then it may be a justifiable extension, but they are so it isnt.
dkp993
Footballguy
MOP is spot on. Guy is getting knocked for doing exactly what he suppose to do, dominate in the position he's playing. Has nothing to do with his skills it's all McVay's O. Come on man. I've watched every snap and am a fan of McVay but Kupp is special, especially in and out of breaks and with the ball in his hand. I'm not claiming he's in the very top tier of WR's (MT, Julio, etc) but he is in the next. Every single team in the league would love to have him on their rosters. He and Woods are criminally under appreciated.
I'll agree that Woods is underrated. He wins at every level of the field, and both inside and outside. I feel like Woods is quite a bit better than Kupp, and if Kupp's extension costs them Woods, as some earlier on the thread suggested it may, then its another step in the wrong direction for the Rams.
I think Woods is in that 2nd tier of WR's, and Kupp is probably in the 3rd tier.
I don't disagree that every team would love to have a guy like Kupp, but not at 16m a year. That is 9.2m a year more than Woods, despite Woods only being a year older. With Woods likely needing/wanting a new deal next off season(2022 FA) its gonna be tough to keep them both.
dkp993
Footballguy
Can’t compare those 2 contracts. They were done years apart and before Woods real ascension.
MAC_32
Footballguy
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
I gotta hope this was 100% game plan for Dallas' rushers otherwise... whoo boy. Yikes for Cooper and Goff owners.
