irish eyes
Footballguy
Exactly on the last couple sentences. I will never understand the "who will you find that is better" argument. This season was a complete embarrassment & most of it falls on tomlin.
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Mike Tomlin...is it time to go? (4 Viewers)
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Tomlin took over an 8-8 team. Ben may be a HOF QB but very rarely was he put on the same level as Brady, Brees, Manning and Rodgers around here or sports columnists. In recent years many people here considered Cam Newton and Russell Wilson as being superior. Aside from BB how many Super Bowls have the coaches of those team been to? Getting to the Super Bowl is hard -- just ask Dan Marino.
Any Steelers fan will tell you the defense over the past 5 years has been pretty bad and let's not forget the RBs the Steelers have had to start in the playoffs due to injuries.
I am not making excuses and Tomlin shares a lot of blame in the losses down the stretch this season but given a competent kicker this team would have double digit wins.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Look at the teams with constant head coach turnover. Finding a good head coach is hard.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
To quote one of your fellow Steelers fans from just yesterday:
- He took over a team that was 8-8 the year before because of Ben's motorcycle accident and a few other things, but they had gone a combined 26-6 the two years before that.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Tomlin is a defensive guy, so the defense being so bad falls on him, right?
In other words, his side of the ball is bad, his game-day coaching is suspect at best, and he is clearly not good at getting a team prepared to play (which is why they consistently play up and down to their level of competition). The offense, which he has little to do with, being so good and being loaded with stars is why they win games.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I didn't say it was a good team, just pointing out the team did not win a Super Bowl the year before and in fact had missed the playoffs and had to win 4 out of the last 5 games just to get to .500
Big Ben coming out yesterday and saying this is the most talented team he’s been apart of. If that team is at home tomorrow it says it all to me at least. Yes the secondary is deficient but they haven’t had a pass rusher like Watt since Harrison’s DPOY. Ya, good coaching is hard to find at a consistent level. What Tomlin has done is not be very good when it counts. It’s a hard decision, sure. Goes against the overall philosophy of the franchise but this dude is not good. His record is a mirage of the talent he’s been surrounded by. I can go on and on about coaches boosted by talent. Terrible coaches have won divisions and made playoffs and Super Bowls: Bill Callahan, Tony Sprano, Ben McAdoo, Lovie Smith, Jeff Fisher... this team is too talented to succumb to an auto pilot, comfy coach who refuses to change things and not let players take it easy on games he has notated as a W on his calendar.
Edit to add: maybe in the long run a new coach won’t be able to adjust when the loss of Ben comes but I already have zero confidence Tomlin can do it. They need a breath of fresh air if they are going to win a Super Bowl. Tomlin returning is an acceptance of mediocrity.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
This is ridiculous. You can't pick and choose all of the bad aspects of the team and blame Tomlin while at the same time giving him no credit for the good.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Are you saying he is not a defensive guy?
Do the Steelers not consistently play up and down to their level of competition?
Are you pleased with his game-day coaching (challenges, situational coaching, etc.)?
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Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
How many hours do you all suppose he'd be unemployed if fired? Two? Three? I suppose many fans are on this thread thinking "PLEASE fire him!"
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
That's a fun talking point, but it means nothing, and has little to do with the conversation about how good a job he has done as the Steelers coach.
Probably the same fans rooting for Mike McCarthy to come to town. Who cares? The Rams were thrilled to have Jeff Fisher. Hue Jackson was rated the best hire in the offseason of his first season by multiple publications. Public perception is ####. I’d love to see Tomlin do better with a team with vastly inferior talent, which there are plenty. This team has top five talent. He’s Jason Garrett or Marvin Lewis with a title under his belt.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Can confirm. With the news of AB out today, my hopes are heightened. He'd look great down in Tampa
It will be longer than that because the hiring team will have to comply with the Rooney ru....oh wait, never mind.
I'll go with "two."
irish eyes
Footballguy
Hey look, a Mike tomlin team didn't show up to the most important game of the year against aSh@@@@ opponent. That's someone I would hire 2 hours after he's canned. But we as fans won't be fortunate enough to see him canned. He's awful, everyone admit for a change.
"Being awful" and "having a job shortly after a firing" are sadly not mutually exclusive conditions in the NFL...
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Ben thought there was a free play because the Bengals were offsides on the play, so he forced it downfield. Flag wasn't thrown.
That play aside, the team looks flat in a must-win home game against a divisional opponent missing it's starting QB, RB, TE, and both WR's.
irish eyes
Footballguy
Ya, putting up a goose egg against a Cincy team with half their roster on the IR and a HC with one foot out the door at home certainly isn’t an indictment of the preparation of Mike Tomlin at all.
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Dizzy
Footballguy
irish eyes
Footballguy
irish eyes
Footballguy
irish eyes
Footballguy
And how ridiculous is that, but it's true. And it would probably take more, because there are actually fans that love tomlin for some bizarre reason.
irish eyes
Footballguy
And a team with Lamar freakin Jackson is in the playoffs, not Roethlisberger. Enough said, cant wait for a repeat next year with this idiot coach.
Steeler
Footballguy
Bro, you need to relax.
I don't love Tomlin but it seems unhealthy/crazy to burn so much negative energy hating Tomlin because the Steelers (right or wrong) wont fire the guy any time soon. I choose to accept the coolness of them having continuity with coaches for decades rather than #####ing for no reason. It's not like you can complain enough, or get enough Steeler fans on your side to force the Steelers' hand.
If Tomlin is gone tomorrow I won't be upset, if Tomlin is the coach for the next 5 years I won't be upset either.
irish eyes
Footballguy
Let's hear it everyone, let's bring tomlin back and continue this awesome run we are on. Get embarrassed by NE in playoffs few years ago, get embarrassed at home to a pathetic offensive Jax team in the playoffs, and now miss the playoffs completely. Do you all want to wait until we are 2-14.??? Oh wait I forgot about his regular season record
belljr
Footballguy
irish eyes
Footballguy
There wouldn't be any hope of that. I'm just dumbfounded that everyone is just fine with the same BS every year. And its getting worse, they missed the playoffs. What am I missing?I think the Steelers could go 19-0 and Irish would be mad
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
First I've asked. I always ask this question when talk turns to firing someone.Oh jeez, this question again?
"What are the chances we get a better replacement?" and "Who is that replacement?" are key questions I think when you're thinking about firing someone.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I do not necessarily agree. Sometimes a change is needed, even if you don't have someone in-waiting. Plenty of head coaches better than Mike Tomlin have been fired in football and other sports when said team didn't have someone ready to step in and do a better job. Now, you could argue that team-x or team-y made a mistake in doing it that way, and I am not necessarily saying that Tomlin should be fired, merely that if he were, I would understand. This team underachieves year after year after year. At what point is Mike Tomlin held accountable for the team consistently underachieving under his watch?
Cool. We can disagree there.
I think "What are the chances we get a better replacement?" and "Who is that replacement?" are key questions to consider.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Did you ask the same questions when there was talk of Mike McCarthy, who had a resume on par with Tomlin, getting fired?
Nick Saban. Talent is all assembled, he gets his chance to win in the NFL and he’ll bring much needed discipline to a team that lacks it. Jim Harbaugh is another thought. I think both would be short term hires, something I DO NOT think the Steelers would do but to think every other coach that may be out there is inferior I don’t think is an acceptable answer. Up and comers I like: Lincoln Riley, Freddie Kitchens, Todd Monken, Byron Leftwich.
Other thoughts that align with the short term view point: Bruce Arians if they didn’t torch the bridge. Vic Fangio would bring the possibility of solving the defensive problems while already having a built in offense.
Other thoughts that align with the short term view point: Bruce Arians if they didn’t torch the bridge. Vic Fangio would bring the possibility of solving the defensive problems while already having a built in offense.
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Absolutely.
When considering firing someone, I think "What are the chances we get a better replacement?" and "Who is that replacement?" are key questions to consider.
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belljr
Footballguy
Just having some fun. You just seem a little Too intense/vested into the outcome of a football franchise. I love the Steelers but my year isn't ruined right now. I'll get up for work tomorrow as usual
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I don't call making the playoffs basically every year mediocre. Weren't they in the conference title game not long ago?irish eyes said:
I think no losing seasons, plenty of playoff wins and a contending team every year is better than mediocre. Way better, actually.
I think Steelers fans are a bit spoiled. And as a successful franchise, that's perfectly okay. You win, you expect to win. Just winning isn't good enough. I get it.
If this "mediocrity" is all he brings to another franchise (if/when he gets fired) I think that franchise's fan base would be really happy. Maybe they're not a fan of underachieving and mediocrity. Maybe you're too used to winning every year. If you want Pittsburgh to ride the coaching carousel, I sure won't stop you.
Steeler
Footballguy
Me too - except I don;t go back to work until Jan 3rdJust having some fun. You just seem a little Too intense/vested into the outcome of a football franchise. I love the Steelers but my year isn't ruined right now. I'll get up for work tomorrow as usual
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Fair enough.
And yes, we can agree to disagree.
And to reiterate, I do not think Tomlin is a bad coach, and am not advocating for his dismissal. But it is clear that changes are needed. This team has too much talent to be missing the playoffs, and this will be the 6th team in the last 8 years that the team failed to win a single playoff game.
belljr
Footballguy
Well me too if there wasn't this whole shutdown thingMe too - except I don;t go back to work until Jan 3rd
Steeler
Footballguy
I agree with you and thankfully the Steelers organization thinks in a similar way. However, I've come to the conclusion (based on this thread) that fans don't need to be held to that same standard since they wouldn't be held accountable for making the change.
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
This is a pie in the sky way to look at it. It's a matter of relative expectation. I think compared to at least 75% of coaches in the NFL, anybody who knows football would agree Tomlin is in the top quarter of coaches in the league. As a top 8 HC, if you are consistently winning playoff matches and making deep runs/earning byes, but just can't reach or win a SB, it's mediocre job performance, relative to where most people perceive you on the coaching chain. Sure, most other teams would gladly take that, but it's also okay to demand more from your elite head coach, and to be disappointed and frustrated in outcomes of recent seasons.
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