Zyphros 1,883 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 23 hours ago, Zyphros said: Just got a deal done in FFPC I gave up 2020 2nd I got Darrell Henderson He's looked good, thought it was a no brainer price to pay Not FFPC for another one, but I also traded Tony Pollard for Henderson in a different league. The other guy had Zeke and I view it as an upgraded talent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kutta 5,490 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 2 hours ago, ConnSKINS26 said: 14 team PPR devy league Gave: Ertz 2021 2nd 2021 3rd Got: Allen Robinson Desean Jackson Devante Parker I’m not a fan of any of the players you got so I’ll take Ertz and the picks 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Birdie048 314 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 19 hours ago, ConnSKINS26 said: 14 team PPR devy league Gave: Ertz 2021 2nd 2021 3rd Got: Allen Robinson Desean Jackson Devante Parker I like the flip side here .... Getting AR & DJax and Parker on top of it? Give me those 3! Ertz is not getting the target volume he did last year (9.4/gm last year and only 8.3 so far this year)... Having Sanders & Howard plus the WR depth in 4WR schemes makes him not the same value IMO. I still think he is Top 5 TE... but that was good return for him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jp81976 0 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 this one is hard to judge - Hunter Henry for David Njoku and Corey Davis the team trading Henry is the worst team in the league and the team getting him is making a push for the playoffs and obviously struggling to fill TE with Djoku hurt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wgoldsph 944 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, jp81976 said: this one is hard to judge - Hunter Henry for David Njoku and Corey Davis the team trading Henry is the worst team in the league and the team getting him is making a push for the playoffs and obviously struggling to fill TE with Djoku hurt. Henry side and I don't like Henry. I hate Davis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 11,584 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 hours ago, jp81976 said: this one is hard to judge - Hunter Henry for David Njoku and Corey Davis the team trading Henry is the worst team in the league and the team getting him is making a push for the playoffs and obviously struggling to fill TE with Djoku hurt. It's really not. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jp81976 0 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Andy Dufresne said: It's really not. I guess it depends on your point of view. I think Henry is easily a top 5 TE and at 24 will be for a very long time. Njoku is young as well and prior to breaking his wrist, easily could have been considered a top 10 TE (9th last year in PPR) and Davis is 24, has stud potential and has yet to play with a real QB, and is coming up on free agency in 2021. I think it's much closer than you'd think upon first inspection. it's current value versus future value, and tied significantly into dynasty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 11,584 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, jp81976 said: I guess it depends on your point of view. I think Henry is easily a top 5 TE and at 24 will be for a very long time. Njoku is young as well and prior to breaking his wrist, easily could have been considered a top 10 TE (9th last year in PPR) and Davis is 24, has stud potential and has yet to play with a real QB, and is coming up on free agency in 2021. I think it's much closer than you'd think upon first inspection. it's current value versus future value, and tied significantly into dynasty. I think Njoku is trending down and Davis is flat lined while Henry is ascending rapidly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jp81976 0 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 53 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said: I think Njoku is trending down and Davis is flat lined while Henry is ascending rapidly. Njoku is 23 and Davis is 24...how could you say that at all? prior to breaking his wrist, Njoku had 4 catches for 37 yards and a TD...it's not like Henry has been the pillar of health himself with two straight years with major injuries. I don't have a dog in the fight but i couldn't decide which side won this deal and thought it would be interesting to discuss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Birdie048 314 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 55 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said: I think Njoku is trending down and Davis is flat lined while Henry is ascending rapidly. while Hunter Henry is ascending, he is still made of glass. Too many injuries to just be considered Top Tier. Talent is there but the risk of lost time is too great. Njoku lost this season and is in a mediocre system for him. Age of neither is a concern. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hankmoody 3,739 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 4 hours ago, jp81976 said: this one is hard to judge - Hunter Henry for David Njoku and Corey Davis the team trading Henry is the worst team in the league and the team getting him is making a push for the playoffs and obviously struggling to fill TE with Djoku hurt. Not hard at all. Henry by a mile. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 11,584 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Birdie048 said: while Hunter Henry is ascending, he is still made of glass. Too many injuries to just be considered Top Tier. Talent is there but the risk of lost time is too great. Njoku lost this season and is in a mediocre system for him. Age of neither is a concern. That's pretty harsh. Yes, he's gotten injured. But tearing an ACL, lacerating a kidney, and missing a few weeks due to a tibia plateau fracture isn't being made of glass. Nicks and bruises haven't knocked him out. Still, fair point. Injuries add up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FreeBaGeL 8,809 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 44 minutes ago, jp81976 said: Njoku is 23 and Davis is 24...how could you say that at all? prior to breaking his wrist, Njoku had 4 catches for 37 yards and a TD...it's not like Henry has been the pillar of health himself with two straight years with major injuries. I don't have a dog in the fight but i couldn't decide which side won this deal and thought it would be interesting to discuss. I like Njoku but Henry has actually proven he can produce when healthy and Njoku has not so Henry >> Njoku. Davis is almost irrelevant in the deal. Weirdest FF prospect I've ever seen. Dude got hurt prior to coming out and somehow that made his value rise meteorically, and his whole NFL career has been blah play blamed on someone else. The Titans are throwing for 250yds and 2 TDs per game since Tannehill took over and he's still been meh, and he's basically the team's WR2 behind a 2nd round rookie at this point. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hankmoody 3,739 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Team A got Courtland Sutton, 2020 2nd (late) Team B got Joe Mixon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-OZ- 7,820 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 À gave David Johnson, 2020 mid 2nd B gave Todd gurley, olabisi Johnson, 2020 mid 3rd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tombonneau 985 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, -OZ- said: À gave David Johnson, 2020 mid 2nd B gave Todd gurley, olabisi Johnson, 2020 mid 3rd 🤔 I'll take Gurley and Bisi. Picks basically a wash. People want to stick a fork in TG but that OL stinks. Meanwhile, DJ is older and cards seem to have his replacement ready to go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tombonneau 985 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 On 11/5/2019 at 12:54 AM, Hankmoody said: Team A got Courtland Sutton, 2020 2nd (late) Team B got Joe Mixon Pretty even. I'll take Sutton though. I'd even prefer him straight up to be honest. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycriesmary 661 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 On 11/4/2019 at 3:54 PM, Hankmoody said: Team A got Courtland Sutton, 2020 2nd (late) Team B got Joe Mixon Sutton, 2nd. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-OZ- 7,820 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, tombonneau said: 🤔 I'll take Gurley and Bisi. Picks basically a wash. People want to stick a fork in TG but that OL stinks. Meanwhile, DJ is older and cards seem to have his replacement ready to go. I got TG, but it took me a while to pull the trigger. Which really just reminds me that the way to win in dynasty is probably not through top RBs but through receivers and Mahomes. The trade gives me a roster of Dak/Goff, foles, Finley Barkley, gurley, Lindsey, Howard, Hyde Hill, Thielen, Edelman, r Anderson, Gallup, Gage, OJ Howard, J Smith, Everett, Rudolph, witten And a record of 5-4, 3rd in the division hoping to make the playoffs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DexterDew 69 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 took over a rebuild a few years ago and still rebuilding. 12 team ppr start 2rb/2wr/te/2 Flex Gave: Chubb Got: 2020 1st playoff team, 2020 2nd non playoff, 2020 3rd playoff and Goedert Reason: tracking for 1.01 have Jacobs and Jackson and nothing else. Need lots of help. Sold a little lite but this league doesn't trade much at all Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hankmoody 3,739 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, DexterDew said: took over a rebuild a few years ago and still rebuilding. 12 team ppr start 2rb/2wr/te/2 Flex Gave: Chubb Got: 2020 1st playoff team, 2020 2nd non playoff, 2020 3rd playoff and Goedert Reason: tracking for 1.01 have Jacobs and Jackson and nothing else. Need lots of help. Sold a little lite but this league doesn't trade much at all Unless there are contract concerns that is a terrible return on a top 5 RB. Unless it's Bradley Chubb, then well done. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FreeBaGeL 8,809 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, DexterDew said: took over a rebuild a few years ago and still rebuilding. 12 team ppr start 2rb/2wr/te/2 Flex Gave: Chubb Got: 2020 1st playoff team, 2020 2nd non playoff, 2020 3rd playoff and Goedert Reason: tracking for 1.01 have Jacobs and Jackson and nothing else. Need lots of help. Sold a little lite but this league doesn't trade much at all Yikes this is really bad. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tombonneau 985 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 hour ago, DexterDew said: took over a rebuild a few years ago and still rebuilding. 12 team ppr start 2rb/2wr/te/2 Flex Gave: Chubb Got: 2020 1st playoff team, 2020 2nd non playoff, 2020 3rd playoff and Goedert Reason: tracking for 1.01 have Jacobs and Jackson and nothing else. Need lots of help. Sold a little lite but this league doesn't trade much at all Not to pile on, but yeah, this is pretty brutal. You were rebuilding with a foundation of Chubb, Jacobs and Jackson. Killer young core. The move is to sell 1.1 for vets in the area you need help with. As is, you'll just be wasting 1.1 on an unproven RB to fill the Chubb vacuum and hope to hit on a WR in the late first and second. From the other side, this is why it never hurts to make offers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FreeBaGeL 8,809 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 12 Team FFPC Team A gives: OBJ, Kerryon Team B gives: Hopkins, 2020 2nd (late) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ConnSKINS26 5,718 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 14 team devy PPR Gave: Allen Robinson Got: Derrick Henry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RushHour 801 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 minute ago, ConnSKINS26 said: 14 team devy PPR Gave: Allen Robinson Got: Derrick Henry Robinson 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barackdhouse 2,035 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, ConnSKINS26 said: 14 team devy PPR Gave: Allen Robinson Got: Derrick Henry Henry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Interseptopus 5,722 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) On 11/6/2019 at 11:23 AM, DexterDew said: took over a rebuild a few years ago and still rebuilding. 12 team ppr start 2rb/2wr/te/2 Flex Gave: Chubb Got: 2020 1st playoff team, 2020 2nd non playoff, 2020 3rd playoff and Goedert Reason: tracking for 1.01 have Jacobs and Jackson and nothing else. Need lots of help. Sold a little lite but this league doesn't trade much at all I'm going to be straight with you- The point of selling a stud in a rebuild is to obtain a number of high picks and/or promising players. You sold for, basically, a late 1st, some dart throws, and a TE. If you had another 1st in this deal I'd say you still sold light but at least you will get 2 first round talents (on a 50/50 hit rate you've got at least 1 hit)... but you already had a hit. a pretty big one at that in Chubb. Rebuilds dont need to take years. People plan rebuilds way too long, but if you are basically trading a stud for a 1st round swap you'll be rebuilding even longer. What if that 1st round pick is a bust? Lots of talent next year, you dont need 1.1 to find a star. Take it as a lesson learned, a bird in the hand is sometims not worth two in the bush. Not trying to pile it on, just trying to help you for future trades. Playing for 1.1 every year wont get you far. 1.5 is sometimes just fine Edited November 8, 2019 by Dr. Dan 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wgoldsph 944 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Rebuilding cap dynasty team My mark Ingram (final year), 5th round pick For His late 1st, 4th and trey Burton (2yrs 2.75m of a 50m cap) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycriesmary 661 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 10 Team, PPR Team A gets A Robinson Team B gets P Campbell, late 2nd round pick. Team A is loading up for the playoffs, Team B is rebuilding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spookytooth 11 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Figures this could spark opinions. I have hunter henry starting at te so made sense to me to go with davis in dynasty at wr in a straight up deal. Thoughts? 12 team ppr My mike williams (again I start hunter henry weekly if that matters) for his corey Davis straight up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wgoldsph 944 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 27 minutes ago, Spookytooth said: Figures this could spark opinions. I have hunter henry starting at te so made sense to me to go with davis in dynasty at wr in a straight up deal. Thoughts? 12 team ppr My mike williams (again I start hunter henry weekly if that matters) for his corey Davis straight up Davis is a bum 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FreeBaGeL 8,809 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, skycriesmary said: 10 Team, PPR Team A gets A Robinson Team B gets P Campbell, late 2nd round pick. Team A is loading up for the playoffs, Team B is rebuilding. Oof. I see why team B is rebuilding. Probably doing that perpetually. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tombonneau 985 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 45 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said: Oof. I see why team B is rebuilding. Probably doing that perpetually. Come on. Time to move on from Arob. Isn't he like 26? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nero 165 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Got Baker Mayfied for a 2020 third, albeit a very early third rounder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Interseptopus 5,722 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, skycriesmary said: 10 Team, PPR Team A gets A Robinson Team B gets P Campbell, late 2nd round pick. Team A is loading up for the playoffs, Team B is rebuilding. Team A all day. This is a bargain. 8 hours ago, Spookytooth said: My mike williams (again I start hunter henry weekly if that matters) for his corey Davis straight up Edited because I read this wrong. I think both of these wrs are bums for 2019. I like Davis' 2020 outlook way better. I'll probably be the last to leave his party 3 hours ago, Nero said: Got Baker Mayfied for a 2020 third, albeit a very early third rounder. Give me the 3rd. Likely some more talented QBs in 2020 early 3rd. I understand the appeal, but for me Mayfield is more worried about his instagram than being a good QB. Plus I think he will be playing right tackle soon at the rate he is gaining weight. Definitely a concern when you add up the punky attitude, social media, weight gain, and even his own players calling him out (obj) Edited November 8, 2019 by Dr. Dan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steel Curtainrod 59 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 10tm full PPR. 1qb/2rb/3wr/1flex/DT Gave Davonte Freeman Received James White I would have never started Freeman and his upcoming schedule scares me. I'd much rather be plugging in and even flexing White for a playoff run. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 11,584 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 6 hours ago, Nero said: Got Baker Mayfied for a 2020 third, albeit a very early third rounder. Really? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Winning IS Everything 55 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Team A Got: Darius Guice Team B Got: Austin Hooper No PPR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gally 4,687 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 12 hours ago, Spookytooth said: Figures this could spark opinions. I have hunter henry starting at te so made sense to me to go with davis in dynasty at wr in a straight up deal. Thoughts? 12 team ppr My mike williams (again I start hunter henry weekly if that matters) for his corey Davis straight up I prefer Williams by quite a bit over Davis...….having Henry is irrelevant Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Interseptopus 5,722 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Andy Dufresne said: Really? how much is qb23 worth to you in dynasty? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 11,584 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr. Dan said: how much is qb23 worth to you in dynasty? Since it's dynasty, and I expect him to improve, his current qb23 ranking is irrelevant. I'd buy all day at that price. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wgoldsph 944 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Dr. Dan said: how much is qb23 worth to you in dynasty? Most 3rd round picks are generally dart throws. The cle offense is a mess but Mayfield has shown he can be a good qb in his rookie year. I'd take the upside gamble here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FreeBaGeL 8,809 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) Early 3rd is typically where a few of the top rookie QBs end up going in 1qb leagues. This is doubly true in the 2020 class which is deep both overall (pushing the QBs down further) and at QB specifically. If you want to swap QB for QB then an early 3rd is probably going to buy you a rookie QB who was taken in the top 15 of the NFL draft this year. Is Baker really preferable to that anymore? It seems like a fairly lateral move. 2.07 - Carson Wentz 3.01 - Jared Goff 3.01 - Deshaun Watson 3.10 - Patrick Mahomes 3.02 - Lamar Jackson 3.04 - Sam Darnold 3.05 - Baker Mayfield 3.09 - Josh Allen 2.08 - Kyler Murray 3.10 - Dwayne Haskins 4.05 - Daniel Jones That's where the top QBs went in my standard scoring 1qb league the last 4 years. I know you typically play Zealots @Andy Dufresne where QBs go off the board much earlier so maybe that is coloring your impression here? I think an early 3rd will net the 2nd or 3rd best QB prospect in this year's class and that seems like a fair swap for Baker to me. Edited November 8, 2019 by FreeBaGeL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Birdie048 314 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said: Early 3rd is typically where a few of the top rookie QBs end up going in 1qb leagues. This is doubly true in the 2020 class which is deep both overall (pushing the QBs down further) and at QB specifically. I understand and appreciate the reasoning... in our Start up 12 Team PPR (1QB), it mostly supports your point... 1.11 Kyler Murray 3.04 Dwayne Haksins 4.04 Drew Lock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matttyl 2,689 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 10 teamer, start 1 QB, all TDs worth 6 Aaron Rodgers traded for what in all likelihood will be a top 4 pick in the 2020 rookie draft. It could end up being #3. Edited November 8, 2019 by matttyl Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ConnSKINS26 5,718 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 46 minutes ago, matttyl said: 10 teamer, start 1 QB Aaron Rodgers traded for what in all likelihood will be a top 4 pick in the 2020 rookie draft. It could end up being #3. Ouch 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Octopus 15,651 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 54 minutes ago, matttyl said: 10 teamer, start 1 QB Aaron Rodgers traded for what in all likelihood will be a top 4 pick in the 2020 rookie draft. It could end up being #3. how is that possible? - especially in a 10 teamer 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 11,584 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, FreeBaGeL said: Early 3rd is typically where a few of the top rookie QBs end up going in 1qb leagues. This is doubly true in the 2020 class which is deep both overall (pushing the QBs down further) and at QB specifically. If you want to swap QB for QB then an early 3rd is probably going to buy you a rookie QB who was taken in the top 15 of the NFL draft this year. Is Baker really preferable to that anymore? It seems like a fairly lateral move. 2.07 - Carson Wentz 3.01 - Jared Goff 3.01 - Deshaun Watson 3.10 - Patrick Mahomes 3.02 - Lamar Jackson 3.04 - Sam Darnold 3.05 - Baker Mayfield 3.09 - Josh Allen 2.08 - Kyler Murray 3.10 - Dwayne Haskins 4.05 - Daniel Jones That's where the top QBs went in my standard scoring 1qb league the last 4 years. I know you typically play Zealots @Andy Dufresne where QBs go off the board much earlier so maybe that is coloring your impression here? I think an early 3rd will net the 2nd or 3rd best QB prospect in this year's class and that seems like a fair swap for Baker to me. Actually during Zealots drafts, especially for IDP drafts, QBs typically don't come off the board until the mid/late 2nd. After they're on a roster it's like pulling teeth to get them off. Guys still think Matt Ryan warrants a 1st! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matttyl 2,689 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said: how is that possible? - especially in a 10 teamer In fairness (and will update above), it's 6 points for all TDs. Team trading for him needs a win this week or his playoff hopes are done, and he's got Watson on bye. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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