JohnnyU 3,933 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Dr. Octopus said: Sure but Henderson has not looked all that great in his limited work. It’s not a terrible deal but I found it odd. I saw a game earlier where Henderson came in and looked like he was shot out of a cannon. He's got a lot of life in those legs and someday he will get to show more of it. I like getting Etienne, but I hate losing Henderson more than Gurley. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Interseptopus 5,722 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 33 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: I saw a game earlier where Henderson came in and looked like he was shot out of a cannon. He's got a lot of life in those legs and someday he will get to show more of it. I like getting Etienne, but I hate losing Henderson more than Gurley. I'm getting lower on Etienne as I'm not sure he is an NFL 3 down back. My biggest issue is he's 200 pounds. Hes my rb6 in 2020 right now. Henderson could still be a bust (I'm still holding out hope) and Gurley doesnt looks great. Not sure which side I would want here tbh, so I'll call it an even swap given the LAR woes and Henderson off to a slow start Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 3,933 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said: I'm getting lower on Etienne as I'm not sure he is an NFL 3 down back. My biggest issue is he's 200 pounds. Hes my rb6 in 2020 right now. Henderson could still be a bust (I'm still holding out hope) and Gurley doesnt looks great. Not sure which side I would want here tbh, so I'll call it an even swap given the LAR woes and Henderson off to a slow start You never know with Etienne, he could land in a horrible situation, but I like his talent just as much as Taylor or Swift. In fact, he could land in a better situation making him more valuable in dynasty than either. I predict that a better team will draft Etienne before Taylor or Swift, who will probably go earlier in the draft. This is the risk you take when you trade for college players over proven NFL players. It could backfire on you in a heartbeat. Edited November 29, 2019 by JohnnyU Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Interseptopus 5,722 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 35 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: You never know with Etienne, he could land in a horrible situation, but I like his talent just as much as Taylor or Swift. In fact, he could land in a better situation making him more valuable in dynasty than either. I predict that a better team will draft Etienne before Taylor or Swift, who will probably go earlier in the draft. This is the risk you take when you trade for college players over proven NFL players. It could backfire on you in a heartbeat. This is very true. The upside is there, especially if a better team takes him. This RB class seems over rated to me in general. We may only see one 1st rounder, and it could be in the teens to 20s again. It's way better than 2019 but not nearly as good as what many made it out to be. There are teams looking at RBs round 2 and 3 and Etienne may very well find himself in a great situation. I dont play devy leagues, and I am just starting to make my rookie tiers. A lot can change after the draft is over Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 3,933 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said: This is very true. The upside is there, especially if a better team takes him. This RB class seems over rated to me in general. We may only see one 1st rounder, and it could be in the teens to 20s again. It's way better than 2019 but not nearly as good as what many made it out to be. There are teams looking at RBs round 2 and 3 and Etienne may very well find himself in a great situation. I dont play devy leagues, and I am just starting to make my rookie tiers. A lot can change after the draft is over I disagree with you about only 1 1st rd RB. I believe there will will be at least two and possibly three. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Interseptopus 5,722 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: I disagree with you about only 1 1st rd RB. I believe there will will be at least two and possibly three. That would make me feel much better. I think there should be but I was surprised to see some sites with 2-3 round grades, based on league feedback, on some very good RBs. Its early. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 3,933 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said: That would make me feel much better. I think there should be but I was surprised to see some sites with 2-3 round grades, based on league feedback, on some very good RBs. Its early. Ii think this class of RBs is better than most years and some teams will look at that to wait until the 2nd round. I just think the grades on Taylor and Swift, and probably even Etienne, are too good for the 2nd round. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Interseptopus 5,722 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 minute ago, JohnnyU said: Ii think this class of RBs is better than most years and some teams will look at that to wait until the 2nd round. I just think the grades on Taylor and Swift, and probably even Etienne, are too good for the 2nd round. Do you think there are enough teams where their biggest need is RB/would go for a RB round 1? Miami, since they have so many picks, seems like an obvious choice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 3,933 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said: Do you think there are enough teams where their biggest need is RB/would go for a RB round 1? Miami, since they have so many picks, seems like an obvious choice I can definitely see at least two teams taking a RB in Rd 1 and I can see teams trading up to the later part of Rd 1 to take one of the three if he's still on the board late in Rd 1. Having said that, there are other RBs with great value to be had in Rd. 2 or later. The depth of this RB class is great, both at the top and later. I just don't see the top 3 dropping in the draft. Edited November 29, 2019 by JohnnyU Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Interseptopus 5,722 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: I can definitely see at least two teams taking a RB in Rd 1 and I can see teams trading up to the later part of Rd 1 to take one of the three if he's still on the board late in Rd 1. Having said that, there are other RBs with great value to be had in Rd. 2 or later. The depth of this RB class is great, both at the top and later. I just don't see the top 3 dropping in the draft. Nice to hear your opinion. That was mine prior to recent mocks and other sites having 1 (or 0) RBs with round 1 grades. I really like my top 5 and could see them going in the first 2 rounds. Etienne is my 6th rb and I obviously have him rated lower than you but I have him as a low 2nd/early 3rd grade right now and my 6th rookie rb. I agree with you that the depth seems pretty great. rb6 in this draft class is still a top prospect Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BearsFan4Life 198 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 14 Team No PPR Got: DHenry and TLockett Gave: Bell and Julio I am the #3 seed. Love the upgrade from Bell to Henry for playoff run. Julio's age is creeping up and injuries are mounting. I have McCaffrey, DFreeman, Hopkins, Godwin, KAllen along with 3 #1 picks --- 2 are top 8 Edited December 6, 2019 by BearsFan4Life 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sheerterror 325 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 6 hours ago, BearsFan4Life said: 14 Team No PPR Got: DHenry and TLockett Gave: Bell and Julio I am the #3 seed. Love the upgrade from Bell to Henry for playoff run. Julio's age is creeping up and injuries are mounting. I have McCaffrey, DFreeman, Hopkins, Godwin, KAllen along with 3 #1 picks --- 2 are top 8 I like this for you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ILUVBEER99 1,369 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 11 hours ago, BearsFan4Life said: 14 Team No PPR Got: DHenry and TLockett Gave: Bell and Julio I am the #3 seed. Love the upgrade from Bell to Henry for playoff run. Julio's age is creeping up and injuries are mounting. I have McCaffrey, DFreeman, Hopkins, Godwin, KAllen along with 3 #1 picks --- 2 are top 8 you destroyed that trade. Due to age you won't regret losing Julio and Henry >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bell. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coachoneill 31 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 In the midst of a full rebuild in my 10 team superflex dynasty. Made the trade with a contender on Sunday morning. I sent: Dede Westbrook Ryan Griffin 2020 3rd (will be 3.5) I got: Dallas Goedert 2021 2nd (likely mid-late) Wanted to upgrade TE group since this year it's become clear that while Evan Engram is a good fantasy asset, he can also be counted on for an annual injury. Adding Goedert to a group that also includes Ebron and Dawson Knox feels solid if not spectacular. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 3,933 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) On 12/6/2019 at 9:22 PM, ILUVBEER99 said: you destroyed that trade. Due to age you won't regret losing Julio and Henry >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bell. Remember when Henry was a dog and Bell was the best RB in the not so distant past? As for Julio, I would be hard pressed to trade him for that. He could be slowing down some but I expect at least 3 more very good years from him. RBs can fade very fast in the NFL as we have seen. In dynasty I don't do this trade without a 1st rd pick thrown in. What if Bell is traded to the Chiefs? Edited December 11, 2019 by JohnnyU Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Birdie048 314 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 hours ago, JohnnyU said: What if Bell is traded to the Chiefs? Interesting consideration, if not actually likely, but if we consider this option, Bell will be more a Rec RB and not a plodder or GL RB. He would be getting carries late when the game is out of hand, but they would/should have a decent reliable RB2 to share this role. I could see Bell being Top 15 in such a role, but I don't know if he has the "interest" to push himself to be Top 5 again. Some of it is the question is his heart into it like previously? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coachoneill 31 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 14 hours ago, Dr. Dan said: I'm confused... what does Engram have to do with this trade? Should've clarified. Engram is also a member of my team. While he had been my presumed TE1 going forward. However his injury history and pairing with Daniel Jones led me to realize that perhaps I needed to add another tight end with some upside and not solely rely on Engram to be my guy going forward. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fredsavage 50 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 12-team QRRWWWTF 0.75ppr Trade 1 - made just prior to playoffs, I'm rebuilding he's contending Gave: Devin Singletary Got: 2020 1st (8 overall) Trade 2 - Made just after this guy was eliminated from the playoffs. Gave: 2020 1st (will fall between 9-12) Got: Odell Beckham Jr. I know some of you will kill the guy who gave me OBJ, but I can understand his desire to move on. And yes I realize it's crazy I got more for Singletary than I gave for Odell. I'm sure Odell is very available in many leagues right now. Edited December 11, 2019 by fredsavage Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) I have 2 offers to consider from the same owner & would love community feedback: I have Evan Engram & little depth at TE (Gronk (lol), Uzomah, Hurst) but I’m pretty loaded at WR. Hopkins, Evans, Boyd, Sutton, TyWilliams, ARob, D.Robinson, KeeSean Johnson, Tavon Austin (who could have a larger role if AC is gone), Chester Rodgers & Deon Cain. i also have very little 2020 draft equity as I had to trade much away for some RB depth & Boyd/KeeSaun. And it’s really, really hard to trust Engram to stay healthy. Offer 1: I give Sutton I get Ertz & a 2020 1st (1.07 of 12 teams) Offer 2: I give Boyd i get Ertz & a 2020 2nd (2.07) I like both offers, but I’m leaning towards offer #2. While I’m high on Boyd, Lock showed me enough to want to keep Sutton as a core player. also worth noting, we have 5 flex & 1 Superflex, so if EE stays healthy I can arguably start both if needs be (BYE/matchup/just because) so lineup depth isn’t really hurt by either deal. Is 2020 draft deep enough to make that 1st rounder worth losing Sutton? Is Boyd too good for just Ertz/2nd? Dynasty guru feedback much appreciated. Edited December 24, 2019 by Hot Sauce Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IHEARTFF 1,042 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Not bad at all, but I would be targeting different TEs besides Ertz going forward. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, IHEARTFF said: Not bad at all, but I would be targeting different TEs besides Ertz going forward. That’s what’s on the table though. which of the two would you take? Edited December 24, 2019 by Hot Sauce Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 1:14 PM, fredsavage said: 12-team QRRWWWTF 0.75ppr Trade 1 - made just prior to playoffs, I'm rebuilding he's contending Gave: Devin Singletary Got: 2020 1st (8 overall) I have a huge mancrush on Singletary & will likely overspend for him in redraft next year, so I would have probably kept him, or tried for a little more than 1.08, but it’s not terrible. If truly rebuilding I get it but you may have been able to get a 3rd too. On 12/11/2019 at 1:14 PM, fredsavage said: Trade 2 - Made just after this guy was eliminated from the playoffs. Gave: 2020 1st (will fall between 9-12) Got: Odell Beckham Jr. I know some of you will kill the guy who gave me OBJ, but I can understand his desire to move on. And yes I realize it's crazy I got more for Singletary than I gave for Odell. I'm sure Odell is very available in many leagues right now. I think that’s a fair price IF 1. Beckham has surgery and is healthy 2. CLE gets its offensive woes figured out 3. OBJ stops being a malcontent PITA That’s a lot that has to go right....but the upside is definitely there. personally I’m unlikely to invest too much in Browns players. That franchise is cursed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Interseptopus 5,722 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 3:14 PM, fredsavage said: 12-team QRRWWWTF 0.75ppr Trade 1 - made just prior to playoffs, I'm rebuilding he's contending Gave: Devin Singletary Got: 2020 1st (8 overall) Trade 2 - Made just after this guy was eliminated from the playoffs. Gave: 2020 1st (will fall between 9-12) Got: Odell Beckham Jr. I know some of you will kill the guy who gave me OBJ, but I can understand his desire to move on. And yes I realize it's crazy I got more for Singletary than I gave for Odell. I'm sure Odell is very available in many leagues right now. I think you got a good return for Singletary there. Singletary is good, but at 1.8 you'll get a guy who has more upside IMO. trade 2... I don't like OBJ, at all, but this is a great deal for you obviously. If hype starts for OBJ he could be a quick flip for profit. Or if you like him you're taking a pretty decent shot at him regaining NY form. Based off this year alone, you got hosed... I wouldnt give him credit for his NY production myself, and I wouldn't give a late 1st for him just because I dont think his value goes higher than it is today. I can admit I'm in the minority on that. Best of luck to you on these deals! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IHEARTFF 1,042 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 43 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said: That’s what’s on the table though. which of the two would you take? Probably the 1.7 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, IHEARTFF said: Probably the 1.7 Is this year’s first round really worth the drop-off from Sutton to Boyd though? That’s what I’m struggling with - I’m not sure what 2020 looks like for Cinci at QB. Heck, I’m not even sure Boyd will be featured over Ross - they seem like WR1a & 1b. i love Sutton’s situation. this is tough. Thanks for the response though. Edited December 24, 2019 by Hot Sauce Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buckna 1,384 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said: Offer 1: I give Sutton I get Ertz & a 2020 1st (1.07 of 12 teams) I like Sutton a lot but I think I would go Ertz and the 7 with this upcoming class. 7 could land a really good WR or RB or at least put you easily in striking distance to trade up farther. Edit: Seems like a lock Cinci will be drafting Burrow at this point. But I definitely wouldn't say it's a lock that AJG will be gone. Edited December 24, 2019 by Buckna 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Buckna said: I like Sutton a lot but I think I would go Ertz and the 7 with this upcoming class. 7 could land a really good WR or RB or at least put you easily in striking distance to trade up farther. Edit: Seems like a lock Cinci will be drafting Burrow at this point. But I definitely wouldn't say it's a lock that AJG will be gone. That’s part of why Sutton feels more like a keeper - if all of Ross, AJG & Boyd are still in Cinci next year, and considering I don’t know who their QB is, wouldn’t it be a lot safer dealing Boyd (and riskier keeping him)? is the 1.07 really worth that much for 2020 vs the 2.07? Draft picks are so hit or miss...plus if anything I’d probably take a QB since it’s a superflex & I’ve got Brady/Mahomes/Carr. Brady seems like he’s got a very short shelf-life right now. hard to know what’s gonna happen to Carr. I wish he had enough weapons this year to see his potential. Edited December 24, 2019 by Hot Sauce Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 3,933 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 3:14 PM, fredsavage said: 12-team QRRWWWTF 0.75ppr Trade 1 - made just prior to playoffs, I'm rebuilding he's contending Gave: Devin Singletary Got: 2020 1st (8 overall) I would probably rather thave the 1.8 because I like this draft, but in reality, giving up Singletary at this point for a late 1st seems like giving up too early to me. Probably a wash unless you hit on someone with the 1.8, which is a good possibility in this draft. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 minute ago, JohnnyU said: I would probably rather thave the 1.8 because I like this draft, but in reality, giving up Singletary at this point for a late 1st seems like giving up too early to me. Probably a wash unless you hit on someone with the 1.8, which is a good possibility in this draft. That’s just it - how much do we realistically expect from Gore in 2020? Buffalo will have to have someone as a breather back, but the first 3-4 games it was a lot more of a split. so arguably we haven’t seen anything close to the best of Singletary, especially since his QB is still developing as well. To make this deal worthwhile, he’d 1. Have to nail the 1.08 pick with a bust-proof player & 2. Be deep enough at RB to afford to lose Singletary (which may well be the case & reason for the trade). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Interseptopus 5,722 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Hot Sauce Guy said: That’s what’s on the table though. which of the two would you take? Waiting for someone to scold you for posting this here... but for now- IMO I'd take neither trade Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fredsavage 50 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said: That’s just it - how much do we realistically expect from Gore in 2020? Buffalo will have to have someone as a breather back, but the first 3-4 games it was a lot more of a split. so arguably we haven’t seen anything close to the best of Singletary, especially since his QB is still developing as well. To make this deal worthwhile, he’d 1. Have to nail the 1.08 pick with a bust-proof player & 2. Be deep enough at RB to afford to lose Singletary (which may well be the case & reason for the trade). My reasoning is that I took singletary in the 2nd round as an underwhelming athlete but good situation and potential to make some noise on an ascending offense. From what I had seen up to the time of the trade I really liked singletary but I expect the bills to invest in another competent rb if not a true feature back through draft or FA. Singletary could lose value between then and the draft, and not likely to emerge as a bonafide stud worth a top 5 pick, whereas the 1.8 will have a constant value which fits my goals in a rebuild. Can’t say I wouldn’t love to have the Motor on my team but I wanted lots of bullets to fire at this acclaimed draft class. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Interseptopus 5,722 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, fredsavage said: My reasoning is that I took singletary in the 2nd round as an underwhelming athlete but good situation and potential to make some noise on an ascending offense. From what I had seen up to the time of the trade I really liked singletary but I expect the bills to invest in another competent rb if not a true feature back through draft or FA. Singletary could lose value between then and the draft, and not likely to emerge as a bonafide stud worth a top 5 pick, whereas the 1.8 will have a constant value which fits my goals in a rebuild. Can’t say I wouldn’t love to have the Motor on my team but I wanted lots of bullets to fire at this acclaimed draft class. I agree here ETA, you turned a 2nd round pick into a 1st. good work Edited December 24, 2019 by Dr. Dan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said: Waiting for someone to scold you for posting this here... but for now- IMO I'd take neither trade It’s a dynasty trade topic & the season is over. Where better to post it? also why neither? I need a TE - offers seem fair? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barackdhouse 2,037 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 In the preseason I moved Mixon for Ingram and a 2020 1st and 2nd. They ended up the 1.01 and 2.01. Ingram might *still* outscore Mixon next year. Probably a dog to do so but not by much today. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, fredsavage said: My reasoning is that I took singletary in the 2nd round as an underwhelming athlete but good situation and potential to make some noise on an ascending offense. From what I had seen up to the time of the trade I really liked singletary but I expect the bills to invest in another competent rb if not a true feature back through draft or FA. Singletary could lose value between then and the draft, and not likely to emerge as a bonafide stud worth a top 5 pick, whereas the 1.8 will have a constant value which fits my goals in a rebuild. Can’t say I wouldn’t love to have the Motor on my team but I wanted lots of bullets to fire at this acclaimed draft class. That’s fair reasoning. As mentioned, I mancrush on Motor, which would cloud my judgement on this. I was being totally up front about that. But I agree that the Bills will be bringing in a RB. I’m just not sure if Singletary loses, gains or remains constant value from that. I don’t expect the Bills to make it a high priority as I think they’re going to give Singletary every chance to be a feature back (or as much of one as the Bills use since they have a running QB) for 2020. but I respect your reasoning & I think your deal was fair. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barackdhouse 2,037 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said: It’s a dynasty trade topic & the season is over. Where better to post it? also why neither? I need a TE - offers seem fair? I'd probably take the 1.07 and then you still have the option to flip Ertz if you want. I think he still has at least 2 years of elite status, likely more. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Just now, barackdhouse said: In the preseason I moved Mixon for Ingram and a 2020 1st and 2nd. They ended up the 1.01 and 2.01. Ingram might *still* outscore Mixon next year. Probably a dog to do so but not by much today. Because of where the picks ended up you slayed that deal. You’ll likely get 1 more RB2-3 season out of Ingram, and you’re now loaded with draft equity. Great job if you can nail one or both of those picks. Also, I like Mixon as a player but detest him as a person, and I don’t like owning Browns or Bengals. So that’s a bonus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Interseptopus 5,722 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said: It’s a dynasty trade topic & the season is over. Where better to post it? also why neither? I need a TE - offers seem fair? I think it was 2 years ago I was told this is for completed trades only (season is never over in dynasty!) I think both trades are fair value, if you like Ertz. 1.7 is okay, but not great. Sutton is a hit already, and a rookie is a 50/50 crap shoot. at 1.7 consider the top 4 rbs and lamb/jeudy are gone... so you're kind of into that 3rd or 4th tier already. The 2nd trade is probably the one I'd do it I were desperate for a TE, but again... just not very high on Ertz. I'm not liking that te situation in philly- hard to get a pulse on it. Edited December 24, 2019 by Dr. Dan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, barackdhouse said: I'd probably take the 1.07 and then you still have the option to flip Ertz if you want. I think he still has at least 2 years of elite status, likely more. Thanks. How much of a drop-off between Boyd & Sutton would you expect? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Just now, Dr. Dan said: I think it was 2 years ago I was told this is for completed trades only ah - sorry, my bad. I didn’t know that. Thought trade discussion was allowed. Just now, Dr. Dan said: i think both trades are fair value, if you like Ertz. 1.7 is okay, but not great. Sutton is a hit already, and a rookie is a 50/50 crap shoot. at 1.7 consider the top 4 rbs and lamb/jeudy are gone... so you're kind of into that 3rd or 4th tier already. The 2nd trade is probably the one I'd do it I were desperate for a TE, but again... just not very high on Ertz. I'm not liking that te situation in philly- hard to get a pulse on it. Thanks for the feedback - I agree and appreciate it. I suspect Philly will continue to lean on him for at least another year & that gives me time to see if Engram is my long-term solution. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Interseptopus 5,722 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said: ah - sorry, my bad. I didn’t know that. Thought trade discussion was allowed. Thanks for the feedback - I agree and appreciate it. I suspect Philly will continue to lean on him for at least another year & that gives me time to see if Engram is my long-term solution. Ertz and Engram is nothing to sneeze at. It depends what you're like at wr... which you have good depth. Personally I see Sutton as a star. Boyd looks pretty solid, but he could have a Mariota situation or Mahomes... no one knows right now. If I had Boyd and I could flip him for Ertz, and I was expecting only 1-2 more years of production from Ertz, I'd probably do it. Not sure I'd flip Sutton... but then again I havent researched outside of the top 6 because that's where all my picks are, and guys are yet to declare. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 49 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said: Ertz and Engram is nothing to sneeze at. It depends what you're like at wr... which you have good depth. Personally I see Sutton as a star. Boyd looks pretty solid, but he could have a Mariota situation or Mahomes... no one knows right now. If I had Boyd and I could flip him for Ertz, and I was expecting only 1-2 more years of production from Ertz, I'd probably do it. Not sure I'd flip Sutton... but then again I havent researched outside of the top 6 because that's where all my picks are, and guys are yet to declare. This is where I’m at with the offer. I have a lot of WR, and EE isn’t exactly reliable. It’s a multi-flex league but also a mandatory start 1 TE league. so there’s no drop-off at WR, while there’s significant drop off if EE gets hurt & I've got to start Uzomah or Hurst. Again, I appreciate the feedback. Apologies to the forum if I’ve overextended discussion beyond the rules in this topic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Interseptopus 5,722 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 33 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said: Apologies to the forum if I’ve overextended discussion beyond the rules in this topic. I personally dont care. I like hearing what people have to say too, especially regulars here. Good luck in your offseason. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Dr. Dan said: I personally dont care. I like hearing what people have to say too, especially regulars here. Good luck in your offseason. There’s been action! I balked at Sutton for Ertz/1.07 & said I’d take the Boyd for Ertz/2.07. He started renegotiating for Sutton (as I thought he would). I played hardball as I don’t really want to lose Sutton. now it’s between: 1. Boyd for Ertz/2.07 (unchanged) or 2. Sutton for Ertz/Daniel Jones bear in mind it’s a superflex league & at present I’ve got Mahomes/Brady/Carr i should know by tomorrow. I’m ok with either deal, and FWIW dynasty trade calculator has me winning both (though they’re both close) happy offseason, and oh yeah, Merry XMas everyone! Edited December 25, 2019 by Hot Sauce Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barackdhouse 2,037 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said: Thanks. How much of a drop-off between Boyd & Sutton would you expect? I don't know. My fantasy mind is mush now. Ertz is hard to gauge and so is Sutton. I'm meh at best on Boyd so I guess that could be the most profitable play. 1.07 could be a great get but kind of a crap shoot. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sheerterror 325 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 12 hours ago, Dr. Dan said: I personally dont care. I like hearing what people have to say too, especially regulars here. Good luck in your offseason. This has also been one of those rare "would you do this trade?" posts that turns into actual, meaningful discussion around the players/picks involved and proved valuable to the thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slider 617 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Ertz and 2.07 would be gone fast for Boyd. Goedert is lurking and 2.07 is meh unless of course you grab a Godwin there. Ertz is also 30 ish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigTex 859 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 20 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said: I have 2 offers to consider from the same owner & would love community feedback: I have Evan Engram & little depth at TE (Gronk (lol), Uzomah, Hurst) but I’m pretty loaded at WR. Hopkins, Evans, Boyd, Sutton, TyWilliams, ARob, D.Robinson, KeeSean Johnson, Tavon Austin (who could have a larger role if AC is gone), Chester Rodgers & Deon Cain. i also have very little 2020 draft equity as I had to trade much away for some RB depth & Boyd/KeeSaun. And it’s really, really hard to trust Engram to stay healthy. Offer 1: I give Sutton I get Ertz & a 2020 1st (1.07 of 12 teams) Offer 2: I give Boyd i get Ertz & a 2020 2nd (2.07) I like both offers, but I’m leaning towards offer #2. While I’m high on Boyd, Lock showed me enough to want to keep Sutton as a core player. also worth noting, we have 5 flex & 1 Superflex, so if EE stays healthy I can arguably start both if needs be (BYE/matchup/just because) so lineup depth isn’t really hurt by either deal. Is 2020 draft deep enough to make that 1st rounder worth losing Sutton? Is Boyd too good for just Ertz/2nd? Dynasty guru feedback much appreciated. Ertz and Higgins or Ruggs and it’s not even close! Take it and run!! Tex Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigTex 859 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 13 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said: There’s been action! I balked at Sutton for Ertz/1.07 & said I’d take the Boyd for Ertz/2.07. He started renegotiating for Sutton (as I thought he would). I played hardball as I don’t really want to lose Sutton. now it’s between: 1. Boyd for Ertz/2.07 (unchanged) or 2. Sutton for Ertz/Daniel Jones bear in mind it’s a superflex league & at present I’ve got Mahomes/Brady/Carr i should know by tomorrow. I’m ok with either deal, and FWIW dynasty trade calculator has me winning both (though they’re both close) happy offseason, and oh yeah, Merry XMas everyone! WOW!!!! You balked at that offer?!?!? Tex 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IHEARTFF 1,042 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Jones is better than 1.7 in superflex, right? so that’s the play. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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