I think you were right the first time and I don't think any WR in the NFL could surpass those QB hurdles last year. I watched a few XFL games this past weekend and thought several of them got superior QB play then Steelers got.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
This (bolded) is definitely an exaggeration. As some one that drafted JuJu in Round 1 of redraft and should be bitter, I still give him a pass for last season. He was hurt for part of the season and Rudolph and Duck were just not NFL level players. I would imagine the Steelers will have a better succession plan for when Ben hangs them up. Sure there is risk they may not find an answer right away - but we've surely seen about the worse case scenario JuJu will be in.
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I will say I do expect a somewhat decent bounce back from Juju. I just don't know that I believe him to be a true WR1 with no "real stud" on the other side. I like the upside of the 3 RBs I mentioned personally, especially with a need there. However, that could definitely change after the combine and draft. I wouldn't make that trade now though but it is always fluid. Maybe I just didn't like getting burned on Juju last year in one of my redraft leagues. I like the RBs at the top of this draft though. I think it could be worth taking one personally.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm not saying the offer is a no-brainer - and honestly I'm not 100% sure I'd take it if I owned the 1.03 but not having a stud across from him isn't the reason not to. He would be the No.1 WR for the Steelers, and surely can handle being so, and he'd have guys like Johnston and Washington who are good enough to demand some of the defenses attention across from him. He's super talent that was in a very bad situation last season, and like I said very likely the worst situation he'll ever be in again.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I don't disagree but I think that 2 years ago with Big Ben a couple of years younger and AB on the other side is the best situation he will most likely ever be in so that may be the pinnacle of what he ever accomplishes.
The Captain
Footballguy
Had this same deal offered to me at the trade deadline last season. I was RB needy and have solid WRs. In the end I passed but that was only because my WRs were all gimpy and underproducing so I didn’t think the addition of Henry would overcome that. That said, I think it’s a great deal for you if you are ready to compete now.
Henry easily. You won't get anybody near his upside at that pick and he has proven he can do it in the NFL....unlike any draft pick. Easy choice to make that deal.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Strange this is, if Henry does leave the Titans and goes to a crappy team like Le'veon Bell did you won't be singing that toon this time next year. Several things have to fall in place for RBs to be successful and if they don't, then things aren't what they appear today. I don't care how good a RB is, if their OL sucks, their QB sucks, their scheme sucks, then they suck.
Well, right now he’s still on the Titans and he just led the league in rushing. Most “crappy” teams as you say aren’t going to be signing a running back to a long-term deal I’d imagine after seeing the disasters of recent contracts like Bell, Freeman, and David Johnson among others. It would take at least another decent 1st for me to even consider moving Henry for a pick like the 1.06.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree in Henry's case because I don't think he's going anywhere. But if he does......look out.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Good trade for you. Especially since you wouldn't be able to get a RB anywhere close to his level in the draft at 6. You probably would have been forced to take a WR or low end talent at RB there. I think Henry stays for sure. Tenn can't afford to let him walk and they have enough space to sign him.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Kamara and the 2.12 for Josh Jacobs and a future 1st. 16 teams 1/2 ppr.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I think I prefer the Jacobs portion here but it depends on where that 1st falls. 16 teams is a ton. Lol. I've never truly enjoyed anything bigger than about 12 personally.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
There is an interesting disparity right now between Henry's startup value and his trade value in established leagues. In startups his ADP is around 2.05 which is worth a heck of a lot more than a rookie mid 1st. But a rookie mid 1st seems to be right around his going rate in trades.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
12 team FFPC Superflex
I gave 2021 1st and 3rd (I think late - was a playoff team last year)
I got Cam Newton, 3.07
I'm taking a swing here. I need a solid second QB behind Mahomes.
I gave 2021 1st and 3rd (I think late - was a playoff team last year)
I got Cam Newton, 3.07
I'm taking a swing here. I need a solid second QB behind Mahomes.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
AP proved that wrong for a while too. There are definitely exceptions. Henry will be a Titan for at least another 3-4 years.
But you know Henry can be a good NFL RB. The draft pick is a crap shoot and you have no idea if the guy you take there will be worth anything. Henry is easily the choice in that trade for me but I don't value draft picks as high as the typical dynasty owner.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I would also have traded the 1.6 for Henry as I think he will remain in Tennessee. However, I'm just saying that by some freak chance he leaves he could end up in a situation that isn't RB friendly.
Understood but I am saying that even if that happens I would rather have Henry than the 1.06
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I also won't be saying it if he tears up a knee. This time next year is a long way off and has no bearing on whether or not I would trade the 1.06 for Henry right now.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
FULL STOP. I don't think he will leave the Titans, but if he did I hope you understand that 2019 stats go out the window if he's traded to a team with a bad OL, QB, or scheme.
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Sure. He probably doesn't lead the league in rushing but he will still likely be better than whoever you get at pick 1.06
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Even if Henry stays with the Titans is not a hold out within the realm of possibility? I dont see it as a huge slam dunk of Henry over the 1.6 and feel it is pretty close depending on situation. We haven't even had combine or the nfl draft yet and it looks to me like swift\taylor\lamb\jeudy\dobbins\akers are in the conversation and i would expect at least a couple more rookies to creep in as well due to combine numbers/situation. I'm optimistic about Henry (yes i did just trade him to get nuk, but i still own him in 3 of 6 fpc dynasty lgs and would like nothing more than to see him dominate the next few yrs) but dont see the 1.6 as that far off.
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ffmail4me
Footballguy
So guys same league, just got an offer today, thinking maybe this is karma I was hoping for after being done wrong. Completely different owner, said he'd trade me Gallup for my 1.11 pick. Even though I don't have a need isn't that value alone worth taking to have another trade asset? 12 team PPR. Decided to take it. Thoughts?
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Really good deal for you IMO. At pick 11 the RB's are going to be heavily picked over and comparing Gallup to a rookie WR you'd get younger and slim chance you find someone with more upside with a rookie. But you got the bird in the hand of a soon to be 24 year old who went over 1,100 yards in just 14 games, got more targets then Amari over second half of the season and I think got a better coach who granted had great QB play in Green Bay but his teams top WRs produced consistently.
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ffmail4me
Footballguy
Just did one more but might have gone too far. Same league 12 team PPR
Gave: Julio, Deebo, Winston, Haskins
Got: Mahomes, 2.3
Updated Roster:
Mahomes, Jones, T. Hill
Zeke, Chubb, Jacobs, Lindsay, Henderson, Mike Boone, Chase Edmunds
Nuk, Hill, Evans, Hardman, Hollywood Brown, Gallup, Preston Williams, Diontae Johnson, JJAW
Kelce, Engram
Picks 1.3, 2.3, 3.11
i know I just gave up a ton but with my depth was it worth it??
Gave: Julio, Deebo, Winston, Haskins
Got: Mahomes, 2.3
Updated Roster:
Mahomes, Jones, T. Hill
Zeke, Chubb, Jacobs, Lindsay, Henderson, Mike Boone, Chase Edmunds
Nuk, Hill, Evans, Hardman, Hollywood Brown, Gallup, Preston Williams, Diontae Johnson, JJAW
Kelce, Engram
Picks 1.3, 2.3, 3.11
i know I just gave up a ton but with my depth was it worth it??
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Zyphros
Footballguy
Saw 2 trades in one of my leagues this past week. 1 biggie, 1 smallie. All different teams (2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr)
Team A got: Julio Jones, Melvin Gordon, and 1.03
for
Team B got: DJ Moore and AJ Brown
Team C got: Hakeem Butler and 2021 2nd
Team D got: 2.04 and 2021 3rd
Another league of mine had a minor deal as well (1QB 1RB 1WR 2TE 6flex spots, 1 is superflex spot .5ppr)
Raheem Mostert for Royce Freeman
Team A got: Julio Jones, Melvin Gordon, and 1.03
for
Team B got: DJ Moore and AJ Brown
Team C got: Hakeem Butler and 2021 2nd
Team D got: 2.04 and 2021 3rd
Another league of mine had a minor deal as well (1QB 1RB 1WR 2TE 6flex spots, 1 is superflex spot .5ppr)
Raheem Mostert for Royce Freeman
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I think you had enough starting depth that you could afford it, and Mahomes ultimately makes your starting lineup better. You moved Julio within this window of time where he still holds moderate value but is expected to plummet soon. It's not just a question of how much is Julio worth to you vs trading partners, it's the fact that aging players become harder in general to trade. You are still very solid at starting WR so you didn't lose any points there IMO, so on top of the 3 bolded you have 3 or 4 guys that could all emerge and right now are trending up.
If Deebo emerges fully it will be the hardest pill in this deal to swallow, but 10+ more years of Mahomes at QB? Seems like a much more sure advantage over your opponents than whatever chances Deebo would have of cracking your starting lineup. The other pieces are something, but I also wouldn't undersell the value of the 2.2 there. Add Gallup or the Unicorn to it and move up to like 1.05. IDK.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Same league I followed it up with:
I gave Haskins and 2021 1st (also late - from last year's champ)
I got 1.11, Watkins
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Barkley and Sutton were traded for D Adams and Kamara. 1/2 ppr.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
In superflex I am assuming 2 if not 3 QBs to go before 1.11. I see it as largely a wash as well but I definitely am glad to have moved Haskins. I'm not a big Watkins believer but I do think he stays in KC and is still only 26. He'll currently be my WR4.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
12 team FFPC style (PPR and 1.5 PPR for TEs) - this is one of two leagues I'm in where it disbands after the upcoming 2020 season, and where half the annual dues since the 2015 startup have been fed into a giant jackpot kitty, so this is more like a redraft trade, but in a dynasty league that isn't so dynastyish anymore. FWIW.
I gave Waller and 1.10
I got Drake, 1.05 and 2.05
I have Andrews, Ian Thomas and Jonnu Smith but need another RB or two. I have the 1.01 from an earlier trade so maybe now I can draft two high RBs, we'll see. Not sure how hot anyone is going to be on taking WRs in this upcoming rookie draft, knowing they are only to ever be rookies in this fantasy league.
I gave Waller and 1.10
I got Drake, 1.05 and 2.05
I have Andrews, Ian Thomas and Jonnu Smith but need another RB or two. I have the 1.01 from an earlier trade so maybe now I can draft two high RBs, we'll see. Not sure how hot anyone is going to be on taking WRs in this upcoming rookie draft, knowing they are only to ever be rookies in this fantasy league.
Penguin
Footballguy
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I've seen Godwin traded away (by the same owner) in 2 different PPR dynasty leagues over the last 24 hours. I'm kinda shocked people would want to move on from him. Anyway, here are the 2 deals (I wasn't part of either)
Godwin for McLaurin and 1.7
Godwin for Kupp and 1.10
Godwin for McLaurin and 1.7
Godwin for Kupp and 1.10
I’m assuming he’s worried about who’s going to be the qb in Tampa. Regardless, I’m easily on the Godwin side in both those deals.
Did you send a note the next day to the Commish saying you never accepted it and want it rescinded? That would have been the move. hahahahah
I think this was asked about in the AC forum and nobody liked the Team A side. Surprised he still did it.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I'd keep the pick. Even pre-combine and not knowing landing spots, I think I'd have at least three of the 2020 WR's and at least two of the RB's already valued higher.
