Tejas
Footballguy
Not how it happened. I clicked on my history to see replies, and found the first reply I had on Henry. Again, I never bashed Henry personally, I’m a huge fan as I owned him in 4 dynasty leagues.
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jtd13
Footballguy
Thanks for the feedback. I generally agree Lynch should be valued a bit higher, and there was possibly a better deal in-season, but Lynch is a hard sell in 12 team leagues right now. Only 2 teams look competitive and have a need at RB, and only one of those teams had much to give me for Lynch. I wanted to get in position to draft Jackson or Mayfield, both of whom I am very high on, so I wanted to get the deal done before our draft.
The 2nd next year is mine, and I've picked between 9 and 12 each of the past 5 years, so I am pretty confident it will be 20 or later. The original deal was actually Marshawn and my 2nd for 17, but I asked for the other parts to get 29. I wanted some flexibility in case someone jumps on the QBs and leaves a good WR available at 17. In that case, I can trade up from 29 to hopefully get Rosen. It might end up being an overpay, but I had a few 3rds next year and this one was the worst of them (as it looks right now).
matttyl
Footballguy
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Welcome to page 420 
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Probably not since pick 3 is probably worth more than Kelce in non PPR.
The injury just makes it even
There’s no “probably” about that statement. Pick 3 is worth way more than Kelce in a non-ppr. I’d still take pick 3 even if Henry never played another down in the NFL.
matttyl
Footballguy
Well since then, pick 3 was used to take Nick Chubb. Chubb worth more than Kelce in a non-PPR standard dynasty?
matttyl
Footballguy
Interesting. I haven't seen that trend on just about any dynasty rankings online, but to each their own.
I guess the short of my position is that I don't think you win non ppr leagues because you've got a TE that averages 10ppg. You win non ppr leagues because you hit on RB's that average 16-20ppg. And with this rookie RB class, I take the gamble on these running backs all day over any non-Gronkowski level impact at TE. Meaning, I think Kelce is what he is at TE (damn good and a definitive top 3 TE) but that he is unlikely to put up a season more noteworthy than he did last year. And that season netted him 10ppg. I don't pay much attention to rankings, but I'd be quite surprised if Kelce was ranked over many of the top 6 or possibly even 8 rookie running backs in non ppr rankings.
matttyl
Footballguy
I see him obviously ranked after the top rookie RB, but right about in line with Guice. At this point last year rookies in that range were Joe MIxon, McCaffrey, Davis Cook and even the oddball TE OJ Howard that everyone loved. Personally, I've got Kelce right there with rookie picks 2-4.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
In non-PPR I gotta think a TE like Kelce drops several tiers and maybe 30 or so slots in the rankings, while a promising 21 year old rookie RB would pretty easily vault over any of the tight ends except maybe Gronk/Graham of several years ago.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Bell > DJ
a mid-1st could easily be worth more than JuJu in a superflex
So I'll take the Bell/1st side.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
DJ and Juju
Even if you rank Bell ahead of DJ, it cant be by much.
Comparing Juju to the 2019 1st is a pretty lopsided in favor of Juju (unless that pick is surefire top 3). Juju not only helps NOW, but will still be with in a year in age of the guy drafted with that pick next year, and entering his 3rd season. Even if you get lucky and draft a player as good as Juju, you are still getting the extra year of production this year with the Juju side.
northern exposure
Footballguy
12 Team non-ppr Zealots league, not involved.
Team A gives: Rashaan Evans, Minkah Fitzpatrick
Team B gives: Mitchell Trubisky
A few hours later:
Team A gives: Mitchell Trubisky
Team C gives: Cooper Kupp, 2019 mid to late 4th round pick
Team A is like the guy that starts with a paper clip and through a series of trades ends up with a house.
Team A gives: Rashaan Evans, Minkah Fitzpatrick
Team B gives: Mitchell Trubisky
A few hours later:
Team A gives: Mitchell Trubisky
Team C gives: Cooper Kupp, 2019 mid to late 4th round pick
Team A is like the guy that starts with a paper clip and through a series of trades ends up with a house.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Except the other way around. He traded Evans/Fitzpatrick for Kupp/4th. In a non-ppr league.
He made his team worse.
northern exposure
Footballguy
True. I guess the analogy doesn't work because he isn't always increasing in value the return he receives in the trade. But, his motto is certainly ABT (Always be trading).
He probably tried to trade with Team C initially and found he didn't have the asset Team C coveted. So, he acquires the asset and then comes back to make the trade with Team C.
JPeso
Footballguy
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
12 Team PPR, PPC, TE 1.5 PPR/yardage bonus
Team A got D Watson, D Parker, J Samuels
Team B got Funchess, Kittle, 19 1st mid to late
Team A got D Watson, D Parker, J Samuels
Team B got Funchess, Kittle, 19 1st mid to late
I looked at this in a rather simple way: if QB Watson is a major positive addition to your dynasty squad, then Team A is the winner and whom I want to be coming out of this trade. If Watson isn't the reason you became involved in this swap, then you gave away too much to Team B for what you received in D Parker & J Samuels.
jeaton6
Footballguy
12 Team PPR:
Gave: 1.11, 3.7
Got: 2019 1 & 2
Had to move 2019 Picks as it’s a 20 player keeper and I had 6 1’s and 4 2’s.
This guy has pretty strong squad with Russ, DJ, AB, Landry, Kupp, Ertz but start 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex and he only has 3 RBs (Burkhead is his 2) and P. Richardson his likely flex. He has no depth whatsoever, after this everyone is just a flyer, Dede, White, Rico. His first 2 picks are the two I just traded him. One injury and this pick is likely top 3.
Gave: 1.11, 3.7
Got: 2019 1 & 2
Had to move 2019 Picks as it’s a 20 player keeper and I had 6 1’s and 4 2’s.
This guy has pretty strong squad with Russ, DJ, AB, Landry, Kupp, Ertz but start 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex and he only has 3 RBs (Burkhead is his 2) and P. Richardson his likely flex. He has no depth whatsoever, after this everyone is just a flyer, Dede, White, Rico. His first 2 picks are the two I just traded him. One injury and this pick is likely top 3.
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Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Sammy watkins
2019 2nd round pick
for
Calvin ridley
2019 2nd round pick
for
Calvin ridley
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
16 team ppr. I had a lot of depth, he had a couple studs and nothing.
Gave:
Will Fuller, Hunter Henry, Anthony Miller, James Washington and Michael Gallup
Got:
Odell Beckham
Gave:
Will Fuller, Hunter Henry, Anthony Miller, James Washington and Michael Gallup
Got:
Odell Beckham
kutta
Footballguy
kutta
Footballguy
Probably better off with a couple of studs and nothing than a whole lotta nothing.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
This has a contender for even worse trade.kittenmittens said:Doug Baldwin just got traded for 2 late second rounders and a third.
Sterling Sheppard just got traded for 3.10 and 4.10. I didn't think anyone that good fell to 3.10 to make it understandable. Pretty much gave Sheppard away... Ridiculous trade.
Baldwin is still probably worse I guess since he has ADP in the 4th round...
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
That’s a lot of potential nothing for (one of) the top player in dynasty. I mean I like Fuller and Henry and the rooks all have potential but this is the type of trade bad teams make.
One More Rep
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Hes actually a good owner. theres a little more to it. deep rosters and we start 8 RB/WR/TEs with 16 teams.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I'd consider Watkins on par with Ridley so the second would for sure pull me to Watkins side.
I'd slightly lean Evans on Allen the first over Agholor pulls me to Allen side of the deal.
Just makes me more sore Hunter Henry is hurt and I got to wait a year for him to make you eat those words.
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Tejas
Footballguy
I had him #3WR before the draft and barely under Kirk at #4 post draft and along with Ridley and Moore had those 4 WR's a slight cut above the rest.
Easy to see him or any of that top 4 being the best one of the group one day, and also not someone I'd label a nickel. He is what I consider the second most valuable piece of the trade.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
He's a nickel relative to OBJ, unless you'd trade OBJ for four 2nd round rookie picks.
Anyway the point was the analogy that it was 5 quarters for a dollar was off because 5 quarters > 1 dollar, but in this case the smaller pieces added up to less than the big piece so we needed a smaller unit of currency
Tejas
Footballguy
Not a popular opinion, but I have Miller WR1, Moore WR2, Ridley WR3, Kirk WR4. I’ve been drafting Miller everywhere I can. Gallop is the wild-card; if he hits, you could have potentially landed some solid starters. Won’t know until next season, like you stated, mainly due to Henry’s unfortunate injury. Still can’t believe it....
Trade was for sure on OBJ side easily but I'd just not describe Henry as a nickel or valued as a second round rookie pick, but that's me and why I said I'm sore he's not around to change people's mind that don't see him that way.
This is one of those lopsided on paper trades that might actually look like a win 2-3 years from now for now getting rid of OBJ, would not surprise me at all, but still not a good looking deal today.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
I was on the side receiving Watkins and this is about how I felt. Didn’t love the trade to be honest but felt it was good value and may try to flip Sammy now
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Watkins has ADP in the 4th/5th of startups and Ridley is in the 7th/8th...
Watkins is only about 18 months older than Ridley as well... Plus Ridley is basically a poor man's version of Watkins without the elite athletecism (and maybe without the injuries too).
Even if the 2nd rounder was on the other side of the deal its a complete no brainer.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I've been the Agholor bandwagon driver for years now but I just don't know how I feel about this. On one hand Agholor showed his ability this past year, and I would want to sell high, but I don't think I can force myself to do that. Evans > Allen, although it's probably pretty close especially in 1 pt ppr, and I'd trade away Agholor pretty easily for a mid 1st. Overall it's pretty even I'd say, but I lean Keenan Allen and the 1st because of that 1 pt ppr.
I hate both players so this is Sammy for me purely for name value to flip for a real player.
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
not involved, FFPC league
Gurley, Brate, 2019 3rd rd pick
for
Keenan Allen, Hunter Henry, Kenyan Drake
Gurley, Brate, 2019 3rd rd pick
for
Keenan Allen, Hunter Henry, Kenyan Drake
