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Allen side easy unless that pick is a top 3 2020 1st (which, of you are trading a 2020 pick for Allen, you're likely a contender)
Wowskinfanjon said:
I see Bell blowing up this year, I’ll take him (and the headaches he may bring) over an oft injured, in trouble with the law, head case like LF any day. I’d need a 2020 1 on top at least to take LF in this one.
I don't think yours is the consensus opinion but i like seeing you put yourself out there. I get nervous with the little backs - it seems like they can get low end rb1 numbers but there's not much upside for a 181 lb back. It's like the deep threat receiver - he might be really good but he still only averages 6 rushes and 5 catches a game, so there's going to be a lot of bad weeks. But he's a really good one, and the team just moved on from their supposed rb1, so maybe his role expands. If you're confident in him, i think you can get him for deals like the one we're talking about, and that 2020 pick could be pretty valuable.skinfanjon said:
I will believe it when I see it. 67 recpts is his career high to date. Anderson, Enunmwa, Herndon all will get feed as well. 80 seems extremely optimistic.Soulfly3 said:
Is anybody else worried about Fournette's future with the Jags based on Coughlin's comments and LF's minor(?) legal troubles?
Cohen is a top 10/15 RB?skinfanjon said:
I think right now both parties are just working on trying to have a good year in 2019 and he's not on the trade block or anything.
Obviously not, for me. I think Coughlin has always been a blowhard and he knows LF is a good player who gives his team a better chance to win. And his legal "issues" are slow of season media fodder but don't amount to anything.
Yes, but I dont think it matters in this trade. If LF has a meltdown and flames out due to league troubles, IMO ots probably about the same time Bell is done. I expect them to produce relatively the same. So it's a wash
I’d have to look that up but as some one who owned him last season he was very frustrating as he would have some huge games and a lot of games that killed you.
I take MT here but I think it's close. He's basically the only top dynasty WR without a clear long term plan. Nuk has Watson, OBJ has Baker, Davante has Rodgers. MT has Brees who we assume is pretty close to out the door. I can see someone preferring the Diggs/OJ side in that case.
I think it's fair. Not sure when the window will open for Goedert. Gesicki may start consistently producing this year. New coaching staff is the wildcard. 2020 2nd, even late, is makes the trade pretty fair to me.
seems high for Goedert who was considered a wait and see prospect (even more so being drafted to Philadelphia) and now that Gesicki has the opportunity I would think those cancel each other out. If I have the roster space, I'll take the 3 pieces.
I view Gesicki and DT as basically worthless, at best picks in the 4th round or later range. To me only thing of real value is a late 2020 #2 for Goedert. I'd take Goedert myself.
Geisicki could produce long before Dallas ever does, TEs take while and Goedert is blocked.....
Tell me again who was blocking Geisicki last year? He's awful and Goedert is going to be a stud. You go ahead and take the awful guy and I'll wait on the stud.
I have to disagree with this. Bell just turned 27, so if he declines in his age 30 season he still has 3-4 years left of peak production. LF is, imo, on thin ice in Jacksonville. This season he has to produce to the level they expect from him or he is facing competition from a rookie in a potentially very good 2020 RB draft class.2020 is the last year of his rookie contract, so they can cut him after it. Imo, Bell is much more of a "sure thing" than LF. In a trade I like to bet on talent and in that category, LF is nowhere near Bell.
Agreed. Unless rosters are really thin I would rather wait on Goedert, who looks like the real deal, than go after Gesicki and his opportunity now. As a Dolphins' fan I was not impressed with Gesicki last year.
And really while we both used the term wait in FFPC redrafts I'd point out Goedert is blowing away Geiski's ADP. I actually think Goedert is getting drafted a bit high in redraft right now, but even getting blocked by Ertz I'd bank on him for immediate production over Gesicki.
Interesting deal. I'd want to make this deal for Engram and a 2020#1 if I owned Kittle but not sure I'd be able. Would boil down to my team in that league, where it stood and of course what that 2020 pick looked like. I would not give Engram and my 2020#1st for Kittle no matter the team makeup at this time but I can't stand giving up my future #1's.
In PPR, sure. He was RB11 last year PPG on just 99 carries. They just jettisoned Howard, only brought in Mike Davis, and don't have 1st or 2nd round picks this year. He wasn't particularly big-play reliant either, averaging a healthy 1.48 PPTouch. 4.4 and 10.2 yards per carry/catch are entirely repeatable. He could end up seeing a sizeable increase in rushes, and if they get him 100 targets he's a pretty sure bet to be even more valuable.
As was pointed out he was and I'd thought heading into last season the Bears were attempting to create the Saints of the midwest. That's were Ryan Pace spent most of his career the it just seemed to me like they were trying put together pieces that worked a lot like the Saints offense and of course no player is Cohen more comped to then Sproles.
Better NFL than fantasy player when it comes to being elite I think. He’s right there with those guys but there’s still uncertainty with Ben IMO. I’ve seen him get worse and worse every year as an NFL QB, I wouldn’t trust Ben to always make good decisions. As a Steelers fan I’ve been begging for them to take a QB the past couple years. JuJu’s going to volume but he won’t be nearly as efficient or volume but he isn’t the type of fantasy WR those other guys are.
Thanks for answering but this goes back to discussion we had on Cooper Kupp a few days ago and and we don't have same definitions for efficiency or players that are volume based. If I was in a startup today I'd probably take JuJu before any other WR.
Sorry for all the grammatical errors, was typing on my phone. I'm more concerned with what Ben does to JuJu compared to the other QB's do to the other elite WR's. That's why I have JuJu just under them, but as for the top WR's they all have longevity set, JuJu and Michael Thomas don't.
I think there’s some valid points here, but I do see some obvious differences. One is pretty obvious in that the Saints has better QB play and a better overall offense. Now Trubisky can still improve and I actually think he will be a very good NFL QB, but it’s hard to imagine he has a Brees level ceiling. I also think Sproles, while similar in stature, is a much stronger player with the ball - but with the way both were/are used that doesn’t matter much.
I’d take the multiple picks unless there was a guy at 1.6 I had to have and right now I don’t see that as the case.
dynasty trade calculator has this really close, very slightly in favor of Jackson.
He didn't show top 15 upside. He achieved top 11 actual performance.
Sure, I’m undervaluing him right now. I know some expect his usage to go up, I’m just not sure. I don’t know how consistent his TDs will be. He didn’t rely on them last year, but even 8 could be his ceiling at that usuage. If it drops from 8...
I am not trying to convince you not to like cohen, but i'll address a couple of these points.
Good post. I personally have very little faith that the Bears want to use him more than they did last year. They gave him the ball 4 times in their playoff loss.
