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30 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I feel this was an overpay for Moore.  I guess it depends on your team and what you are doing but new coach, new QB that doesn't push the ball much, and a RB that gets 100 targets regularly.

DJ doesn’t really need a gunslinger back there, though. He’s going to make his money catching a lot of balls and being a YAC monster. And if there’s one thing Teddy is, it’s accurate. I think he’s a great fit for Moore. 

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25 minutes ago, Chad Parsons said:

For those who don't really rank rookies pre-NFL Draft - how do you (or would you) handle rookies in a dynasty startup draft or a rookie draft which occurs before the NFL Draft? Simply fade all rookies due to letting the draft play out? Not ever be in one of those drafts/leagues to start with?

Never ever be in one of those drafts/leagues is the correct answer.

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15 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

Someone tell me this wasn't stupid...lol. 12 team PPR dynasty league

Traded: Njoku for 3.9 rookie pick. 

My team needs WR and RB help more than Njoku but I just couldn't get much anything for him. Solid move or dumb on my part?

I did something similar about two months ago. I moved Njoku for a late 3rd (before our rookie draft). This is that FFPC style league that disbands this year, so closer to redraft, but worth noting that I got laughed at by a couple guys for it. Meanwhile that dude ended up dropping him and Njoku made it thru 7 rounds of the FA/rookie draft unclaimed and is still available.

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58 minutes ago, Chad Parsons said:

In the context of 'one of the best organizations in football used a high pick on a player' - does that mean Sony Michel should have been a high 1st that year? He would be an example of a team drafted a player not consensus that high pre-draft and moved up in dynasty drafts as a result I can recently recall.

This is apples and oranges.  NE is known for RBBC so Michel was doomed in his landing spot.  Andy Reid goes with his guy and obviously CEH is his guy.  Very different spots so this argument doesn't hold water.

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8 minutes ago, Dr. BD said:

Except back when NE drafted Michel the argument was “BB has never drafted a rb round 1. Surely he wouldn’t draft a rb in round 1 and then not use him as a workhorse?!” I remember that vividly...

It’s almost one of the exact arguments made for CEH in KC, even though it was RBBC last year, CEH has documented issues in pass pro, and the coaches came out and stated that CEH would “have a role” in the running back situation- implying RBBC...

Except BB has failed with RBs and WRs for years.  Reid hasn't.

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5 hours ago, Chad Parsons said:

Maybe the situation is so darn good it doesn't matter. Maybe CEH only has to be okay to thrive with the Chiefs. Maybe that's all that is required of a back there to soak up touches and 10+ touchdowns. We will see. But betting overtly on rookie situation is a dangerous game.

Another possibility: Maybe you are underrating his ability.

I don't think Clyde is the next Saquon, but I do think he can be very good.

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15 minutes ago, Dr. BD said:

just talk to @Anarchy99 about how dominant the rbs as a whole has been under BB. I recall many people stating that, paired with 1st round draft capital meant a future stud.

 

again, I agree to disagree here... it’s clear recency bias is pretty heavy here, and this is the trade thread anyways

Laurence Maroney says hello

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21 minutes ago, Dr. BD said:

Except back when NE drafted Michel the argument was “BB has never drafted a rb round 1. Surely he wouldn’t draft a rb in round 1 and then not use him as a workhorse?!” I remember that vividly...

Laurence Maroney should be one reason that argument could not have existed.

I personally don't know anyone who was higher on Sony because NE took him. Not saying people here were not, but not me or anyone I talk to.

But I'm not sure what is even being discussed anymore because when Sony has been healthy he's been close to workhorse runner, were his usage left those of us who believed in him wanting more was his lack of involvement in the passing game which statistically was weak his last year in college but he looked like he had a lot of ability. He was coming in after the Kamara rookie year and that's what a lot of people were talking him up as, some kind of Kamara guy who did not need to be an every down back  I don't think a lot of us who invested in him were looking for a bell cow but more of a multi-dimensional weapon.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Dr. BD said:

just talk to @Anarchy99 about how dominant the rbs as a whole has been under BB. I recall many people stating that, paired with 1st round draft capital meant a future stud.

 

again, I agree to disagree here... it’s clear recency bias is pretty heavy here, and this is the trade thread anyways

The Hoody's RB draft picks: JR Redmond, Antwoine Womack, Cedric Cobbs, Laurence Maroney, Justise Hairston, Shane Vereen, Stevan Ridley, James White, Sony Michel, and Damien Harris.  You really want to base your arguments on that track record?

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20 minutes ago, Dr. BD said:

just talk to @Anarchy99 about how dominant the rbs as a whole has been under BB. I recall many people stating that, paired with 1st round draft capital meant a future stud.

 

again, I agree to disagree here... it’s clear recency bias is pretty heavy here, and this is the trade thread anyways

Not sure what I said or when (or what the above was in reference to), but the combined running back TOTALS for NE have been near the top of the league for years. Individually, their running backs have not fared anywhere near as well. There was a stretch for several years where the main ball carrier on NE put up fantasy RB1 totals over the course of a season . . . the problem was that the primary ball carrier kept getting hurt. So they churned through multiple RB's in a season (which at the time looked like it was a RBBC when it really wasn't).

But that was a while ago. More recently, they seem to have embraced defined roles for their backs. A first and second down runner (that doesn't usually catch passes), a third down specialist (that catches passes but doesn't usually run), a third back that would get a couple of series a game, and a universal back up to all those roles. Add in a fullback, and the pie was usually spread out among a bunch of people.

Here were the COMBINED numbers for the Patriots running backs each year in the Brady era (YFS and total TDs):

2019: 2691/20
2018: 2645/23
2017: 2738/25
2016: 2330/23
2015: 2356/20
2014: 2122/16
2013: 2776/22
2012: 2748/25
2011: 1939/14
2010: 2437/19
2009: 2402/18
2008: 2731/22
2007: 2278/15
2006: 2573/24
2005: 2149/16
2004: 2669/17
2003: 2189/9
2002: 2201/13
1001: 2338/20

That averages out to 2437/19 per season over 19 years. So, yeah, I would say that the NE backfield has been well above average as a group, but as far as producing a top fantasy RB . . . not so much. By comparison, the Panthers RBs (with CMC) combined for 2593/21 last year. The Patriots RBs over the past 19 seasons bested that yardage total 6 times and that TD total 7 times. If only they gave the majority of the workload to one guy . . . he would be a fantasy superhero.

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1 hour ago, Dr. BD said:

Except back when NE drafted Michel the argument was “BB has never drafted a rb round 1. Surely he wouldn’t draft a rb in round 1 and then not use him as a workhorse?!” I remember that vividly...

It’s almost one of the exact arguments made for CEH in KC, even though it was RBBC last year, CEH has documented issues in pass pro, and the coaches came out and stated that CEH would “have a role” in the running back situation- implying RBBC...

 

ETA: no sense in hijacking this thread further. I’ll agree to disagree here. I’m just surprised that the hindsight on Michel is 20/20 but the foresight on him was 20/20 as well. Thats completely wrong; people were stoked about Michel post draft. Many of the same arguments about CEH were made for Michel

As others have said, BB has certainly drafted a RB in the 1st round before Sony.

Again, apples to oranges here.  BB has never drafted a RB that was anything more than a 1-year plug-in.  I'm not sure any RB he's drafted has ever made the pro bowl.  Meanwhile Reid has drafted 2 guys that would be in the fantasy HOF if there was one and a 3rd (Hunt) that probably would've joined them were it not for the off the field incident.

No comparison between Reid/BB in their ability to draft RBs.

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4 minutes ago, Dr. BD said:

Yeah not worth it right now to leave that post. I found it interesting that menobrown has made a supportive comment though. 
 

And yes, the exact statement was this was the first 1st round RB since 2006...

i was mostly joking, its mostly me hating on sony

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20 hours ago, King of the Jungle said:

I know some like both of those rookies (I don’t, but that is a different story) but boy I find it hard to believe that the Kamara owner could not have got more than that.

Yeah that's reject no counter territory for him for me.

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2 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

We just had this in a 12 team, .5 PPR league:

Parris Campbell, David Montgomery, 3.11, and 2 2021 1sts (projected mid-late)

for

Joe Mixon, Christian Kirk, and Dallas Goedert (only other TE is Noah Fant)

Thoughts?

Seems a little light for Mixon honestly, and I also like Kirk and Goedert so I would take that side. I’m not too big on Montgomery. 

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8 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

Seems a little light for Mixon honestly, and I also like Kirk and Goedert so I would take that side. I’m not too big on Montgomery. 

I do like Montgomery to bounce back a bit but I am high on Mixon.  Just couldn't pass on the deal as I didn't have a 1st or 2nd next year and I still have Barkley & Kamara along with 1.2 this year.

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23 minutes ago, Matt's Eagles said:

12 Team PPR, TE 1.5 PPR

Team A got Aaron Jones, Jamal Williams, Jonnu Smith

Team B got  Melvin Gordon, Breida, Herndon

I like Breida, but I see this as a win for the team getting Jones. Jones>Melvin, Breida>Williams and Jonnu>Herndon. 

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22 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

I am in five FFPC non-SF leagues and he never made it past 1.08 in any of them.  1.08 in four of them and 1.06 in one.

ETA: I would imagine most FFPC leagues he goes either 1.08 or 1.09 with Jefferson in the other spot.  Vaughn creeps up into that range in some as well.

Out of 320 non superflex FFPC rookie drafts this year Reagor ADP was actually the 1.10 and his range was from the 1.06 to 2.07.  Yes I know hard to believe he fell to pick 19 in at least 1 FFPC rookie draft this year.  Interesting his ADP is actually 1.10 not 1.08 or 1.09 where you guys seen him go in most of your drafts like I said in 2 of my 3 he went 1.12.

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10 minutes ago, Dr. BD said:

 

not involved, 12 team PPR, 1QB, 6 pt all TD, no negative points

 

Team A: significant rebuild

Gets: J. Kelley, Cephus, 2021 2nd (should be very early), 2021 3rd (should be very late)

 

Team B: win now

Gets: Drake

Definitely Drake...Team B is nibbling around the edges of his roster and gets a RB with top 10 upside...this is not really a win now move, it's just a good deal...Team A's significant rebuild is not less significant after this deal. 

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16 minutes ago, Dr. BD said:

Yeah I felt like this was off by a 2021 1st. Market is real dry for Drake. I thought about sniffing around but I decided against it. Had I known he was so cheap I would have. Kind of disappointed as Team B is likely my biggest competition for the title. He now has CMC, Chubb, Drake, Ingram, Singletary

Hate to say it but I really like that guy's RB corps

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12 team PPR, start 1Q, 2R, 3W, 1T, 1K, 1DST, and 2 Flex (non-Q). All of these trades occurred over the past week:

Team A gave up Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.02
Team B gave up Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.04; Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.04

Team C gave up Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.06
Team D gave up Hooper, Austin CLE TE

Team B gave up Hill, Tyreek KCC WR; Year 2020 Draft Pick 3.04; Year 2021 Round 2 Draft Pick
Team E gave up Darnold, Sam NYJ QB; Chark, D.J. JAC WR; Sutton, Courtland DEN WR; Year 2020 Draft Pick 4.07; Year 2021 Round 4 Draft Pick

Team A gave up Ertz, Zach PHI TE; Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.09
Team F gave up Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.08

I'm not involved in any of them. Draft is in progress, round 1 in the books, to give some context for the 2020 pick trades:

  1. Taylor
  2. CEH
  3. Dobbins
  4. Akers
  5. Swift
  6. Lamb
  7. Jeudy
  8. Reagor
  9. Pittman
  10. Jefferson
  11. Ruggs
  12. Vaughn

Not sure what Team A intends to do with 2.04, but the first trade could end up as CEH for Akers and one of the top 10 drafted WRs.

Thoughts?

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5 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

12 team PPR, start 1Q, 2R, 3W, 1T, 1K, 1DST, and 2 Flex (non-Q). All of these trades occurred over the past week:

Team A gave up Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.02
Team B gave up Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.04; Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.04

Team C gave up Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.06
Team D gave up Hooper, Austin CLE TE

I like the trade to move back from 1.02 to 1.04. I'd take Akers + Aiyuk for JT, although I'm admittedly not a supporter of his.

I think a mid 2nd is real cheap for a young established TE. 

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22 hours ago, Dr. BD said:

just talk to @Anarchy99 about how dominant the rbs as a whole has been under BB. I recall many people stating that, paired with 1st round draft capital meant a future stud.

 

again, I agree to disagree here... it’s clear recency bias is pretty heavy here, and this is the trade thread anyways

I totally agree that when you add 2, 3, or even 4 RBs together then ya it equals a great RB.  That is a horrible argument for fantasy football.  Plus, most of those RBs are guys that weren't drafted by him.  Dillon, Faulk, Blount, and others.  Seems like bending stats to make an argument that doesn't fit what we are talking about.

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33 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

12 team PPR, start 1Q, 2R, 3W, 1T, 1K, 1DST, and 2 Flex (non-Q). All of these trades occurred over the past week:

Team A gave up Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.02
Team B gave up Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.04; Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.04

Team C gave up Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.06
Team D gave up Hooper, Austin CLE TE

I like the trade to move back from 1.02 to 1.04. I'd take Akers + Aiyuk for JT, although I'm admittedly not a supporter of his.

I think a mid 2nd is real cheap for a young established TE. 

Agree on the Hooper trade, and it seemed particularly odd to me because the team trading Hooper away has only 1 TE, Sternberger.

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3 minutes ago, Dr. BD said:

Team B by a lot for trade 1... take Sutton out and I could somewhat see it, but I still would take Williams and 1.05. As it is, that’s a massive over pay- no matter which RB is there at 1.02

 

Second trade Team A wins by a ton. Basically paying Fournette to move up 2 spots. The rest is just noise. Seems foolish to me

I think you have the teams reversed. I read it as Team A giving up 1.2 in the first trade and giving up 1.8, et al. in the second trade.

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2 hours ago, King of the Jungle said:

Looks like in this case was CEH, does that change it for you? (versus JT being there at 1.02)

Same thing happened to me. I would still do it, but would have been better to wait. Somebody may give more to get CEH. 

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2 hours ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

12 team, .5 PPR, 1 QB (not involved)

Team A: 1.2 (will be CEH)

for

Team B:  1.5, Courtland Sutton, and Preston Williams

 

Team A: (same as above) 1.8, Damien Harris, 4.2, 2021 3rd

for

Team 😄 1.10, Leonard Fournette, 4.7

 

Still trying to learn valuation of trades so.....Thoughts?

Straight stealing Fournette

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5 hours ago, Just Win Baby said:

12 team PPR, start 1Q, 2R, 3W, 1T, 1K, 1DST, and 2 Flex (non-Q). All of these trades occurred over the past week:

Team A gave up Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.02
Team B gave up Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.04; Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.04

Team C gave up Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.06
Team D gave up Hooper, Austin CLE TE

Team B gave up Hill, Tyreek KCC WR; Year 2020 Draft Pick 3.04; Year 2021 Round 2 Draft Pick
Team E gave up Darnold, Sam NYJ QB; Chark, D.J. JAC WR; Sutton, Courtland DEN WR; Year 2020 Draft Pick 4.07; Year 2021 Round 4 Draft Pick

Team A gave up Ertz, Zach PHI TE; Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.09
Team F gave up Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.08

I'm not involved in any of them. Draft is in progress, round 1 in the books, to give some context for the 2020 pick trades:

  1. Taylor
  2. CEH
  3. Dobbins
  4. Akers
  5. Swift
  6. Lamb
  7. Jeudy
  8. Reagor
  9. Pittman
  10. Jefferson
  11. Ruggs
  12. Vaughn

Not sure what Team A intends to do with 2.04, but the first trade could end up as CEH for Akers and one of the top 10 drafted WRs.

Thoughts?

1.02 by a lot, doubly so with it being CEH

Hooper

Cheap for Tyreek

Ertz

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22 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

1.02 by a lot, doubly so with it being CEH

Hooper

Cheap for Tyreek

Ertz

Total agreement what you are saying on the 1.2 and Hill but in a non-TE premium I'd take the picks over the TE's and even in a TE premium I'd actually take 2.6 over Hooper which of course means I'm not high on Hooper.

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On 5/22/2020 at 10:33 AM, JohnnyU said:

It has nothing to do with points scored last year.  Julio is light years better than Kupp and if I'm going to trade Jones for Kupp, a 1st rd pick at the very least has to be added to the deal.  One of the worst mistakes in FF is base future scoring on past scoring.  There are lots of factors at play, team structure, scheme, coaching,  QB play, injuries, etc..  At the end of the day you look at the talent and usage.

Speaking of which, the Rams have a lot of salary tied up in a few players and do not have a 1st round choice next year. The oline had a very poor year LY and they did not do much to address the issue. On top of those mitigating factors the 2020 season may be played without fans in the stands. This is going to put some serious financial pressure on Kroenke. Among the probable outcomes of this might be a fire sale of talent to reduce his debt. 

While I like Kupp's game when I look at all the factors I prefer Julio over the next 3Y.

If anything I would try to get the other owner to add another WR. Maybe someone like Crowder or Kirk. 

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1 hour ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

One of my leagues (12 team, .5 PPR) but not involved:

Barkley

For

Mixon, Sutton, Goedert, 1.5

I will likely be alone in this but I would consider taking Barkley here, and actually made a somewhat similar deal for him recently.

Value is obviously way on the Mixon side but I see Barkley as one of those generational backs that is going to be an elite fantasy asset all the way through his 20's, whereas I could see Mixon petering out at any point.  I've made a vow not to quibble over lessor assets when it comes to true studs after I declined to make a similar deal two years ago for Barkley where I was hung up on giving up Ajayi and 1.07 (Kerryon) as part of the deal which of course as an owner I had dreams of them being reliable pieces for the next 5 years.

Realistically Mixon/Sutton or Mixon/1.05 should be pretty close to Saquon, but I have no problem with a team overpaying for him if they have enough assets to do so.

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