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On 8/4/2020 at 1:38 PM, cloppbeast said:

I can see where he's coming from. At age 22 Moore had 1175 receiving yards with Kyle Allen as his QB. This puts DJM in rare company. Michael Thomas was still at Ohio St at that age. The guy very well might be getting a much younger MT and a 1st to go with it.

Looking at the value, he received a 1.11 for going from a 1st round to a 2nd round start up pick. It's debateable and a lot of people always want to get the best player. Keeptradecut has this trade favoring the side getting MT only after adding a "value adjustment".

I would take Moore and the 1.11 but I'm a big fan of DJM.

The jump from good to elite is the hardest one to make, and with the bevy of good WRs in the NFL right now Moore really has to make that jump for this trade to make sense.

What do you think the chances are that Moore makes the leap and becomes a consistent 100-1400-10+ type of WR?  It's certainly well within his range of outcomes but it is very far from assured.

If Moore is "only" a consistent 80-1200-6 type of player going forward then that is a really nice piece to have for the forseeable future, for sure, but in the modern NFL it is not worth giving up someone putting up actual difference making numbers for.  It is very replaceable.

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17 hours ago, RushHour said:

In terms of getting more for Thomas right now, maybe in theory yes, but honestly I think this is about the most you can get if you are trading for WR - an elite young prospect who has already produced to some degree and a first to cover the gap/risk. Once you start putting more assets on the Moore side, the Moore owner probably starts to think what the upside in doing this trade, especially if you're paying for past production to some extent? Not saying this is right, but that's the thinking. Also depends on how your league values firsts - I've been in some leagues where they are almost used as throw ins to even up a deal, and others where they are highly overvalued.

The upside is the 8ppg that MT outscored DJM by last year.  I realize the person getting Moore is likely expecting that gap to close and MT to pull back some, but you mentioned upside here.

One of the most puzzling things to me in FF is the way people will chase points so hard at the middle/bottom of their lineup, but settle for "good enough" at the top.  People think eh I've already got DJM and he's pretty good, why do I need MT?  It's just swapping out one top asset for another one.

But 8ppg is a massive amount.  8ppg was the difference between DeAndre Hopkins and Chris Conley last year.  How hard would someone pursue a move that upgraded Chris Conley for DeAndre Hopkins at their WR3 spot?  So why is that same point difference so often treated as negligible if we're talking about the WR1 spot instead?

That's more of a general comment than specific to this trade, but the attitude of there not necessarily being much upside in MT relative to DJM just kind of illustrates it.  The very achievable upside of the difference between MT and DJM is the same as the difference between DeAndre Hopkins and Chris Conley.  In other words, it's massive.

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2 hours ago, hispeedthinmint said:

I am already loaded at WR....even pretty good at RB (Barkley, Cook, Henry, Fournette). My 2 starting WRs were Evans, Tyreek & Hopkins, DJ Moore.....I even have AR15 & Landry & Golladay to plug in too if need be.

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On 8/4/2020 at 11:02 AM, hispeedthinmint said:

Dynasty PPR

Team A gave DJ Moore, 2020 1.11 & 2020 4.11 rookie picks

Team B gave Michael Thomas

I'll take Thomas by a lot. I don't think this is particularly close. I do like Moore a lot. But Thomas wins championships. There is no WR in the league that will put up as many FF points in one's lineup as this guy. 

I understand wanting to get younger and to be cognizant of when a player is approaching some sort of age cliff (how has that concept treated Fitzgerald, Brandon Marshall, Julio, etc...) but based on your comments about your roster you are definitely in dominate now mode. Not win now, not rebuilding, but absolutely crushing right now. And you're giving up boxscore pts every week with this trade. Thomas could be elite *into* his 30s. 

If he isn't I'd still want *dramatically* more than this deal if I decided I wanted to sell high. This is selling low IMO.

 

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2 hours ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Part of the reason I want to see if I can flip MT for a haul is b/c I am already loaded at WR (Start 3 & 2 flex) & even pretty good at RB (Barkley, Cook, Henry, Fournette). My 2 starting WRs before MT were Evans, Tyreek & Hopkins. DJ Moore mostly sat on my bench & I even have AR15 & Landry & Golladay to plug in too if need be. If I can get my RB stable a bit younger & more stable by moving MT, I think I'd do it.

I would call Barkley-Cook-Henry a little more then “pretty good”

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Just now, Zyphros said:

The first brick has fallen

FFPC league, not involved

Team A got: Antonio Gibson and Amari Cooper

Team B got: Chris Godwin and a 2021 3rd

 

So basically Cooper and a 2020 3rd for Godwin and a 2021 third?  Guy who got Godwin pulled off robbery.  Gibson is in a five way for carries after gruice was cut.

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13 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

The first brick has fallen

FFPC league, not involved

Team A got: Antonio Gibson and Amari Cooper

Team B got: Chris Godwin and a 2021 3rd

 

Go with Godwin here...the issue with Gibson is that while he is very intriguing we still don't know what his role in the NFL will be and if it will translate to fantasy...I can understand wanting to obtain him but he's not enough to close the gap here...and I also see no reason to have to throw in a #3 as well.

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17 minutes ago, wgoldsph said:

So basically Cooper and a 2020 3rd for Godwin and a 2021 third?  Guy who got Godwin pulled off robbery.  Gibson is in a five way for carries after gruice was cut.

Meh, Gibson was a Mid 2020 2nd for the most part in my leagues. But your point remains

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16 hours ago, Johnny B. Goode said:

Meh, Gibson was a Mid 2020 2nd for the most part in my leagues. But your point remains

Our third round is about to start but he hasn’t been taken yet.

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1 hour ago, NE_REVIVAL said:

Me, FFPC, contending tm.

 

Give

B. Aiyuk & A. Mcfarland

Get

R. Woods

I'm not big fan of Woods (do not own him anywhere else), but as often happens in the FFPC I really need the roster spot and I think Woods can help me this yr and next so why not. 

Great move for a contender.

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On 8/6/2020 at 3:31 PM, hispeedthinmint said:

Part of the reason I want to see if I can flip MT for a haul is b/c I am already loaded at WR (Start 3 & 2 flex) & even pretty good at RB (Barkley, Cook, Henry, Fournette). My 3 starting WRs before MT were Evans, Tyreek & Hopkins. DJ Moore mostly sat on my bench & I even have AR15 & Landry & Golladay to plug in too if need be. If I can get my RB stable a bit younger & more stable by moving MT, I think I'd do it.

Part of the reason you can do what you want is that your league isn’t competitive. So who cares.  Trade him or don’t. Your team is stronger than a 4 teamer 

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9 hours ago, NE_REVIVAL said:

Me, FFPC, contending tm.

 

Give

B. Aiyuk & A. Mcfarland

Get

R. Woods

I'm not big fan of Woods (do not own him anywhere else), but as often happens in the FFPC I really need the roster spot and I think Woods can help me this yr and next so why not. 

Woods, easily.

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10 hours ago, NE_REVIVAL said:

Me, FFPC, contending tm.

 

Give

B. Aiyuk & A. Mcfarland

Get

R. Woods

I'm not big fan of Woods (do not own him anywhere else), but as often happens in the FFPC I really need the roster spot and I think Woods can help me this yr and next so why not. 

I think Aiyuk sucks, but he is an immediate impact rookie.  I'd easily take Woods here.  

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7 hours ago, Zyphros said:

I think Aiyuk sucks, but he is an immediate impact rookie.  I'd easily take Woods here.  

Why do think Aiyuk sucks?  I believe both he and Pittman will have better rookie years than Lamb and Jeudy.  I'm not saying Aiyuk is better than them, but he doesn't suck.

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Just now, JohnnyU said:

Why do think Aiyuk sucks?  I believe both he and Pittman will have better rookie years than Lamb and Jeudy.  I'm not saying Aiyuk is better than them, but he doesn't suck.

I don't like Pittman either.  Late breakout for both and I did not like their tape when I watched them.  But as for Aiyuk specifically, JUCO route doesn't inspire confidence and the only reason he produced is because Harry left.  That's the way I see it at least.  Out of the top11 they are the last 2 I'd take.  Reagor, Lamb, Jefferson, Higgins, Mims, Shenault, Edwards, Jeudy, Ruggs and then those 2. 

I don't really have much doubt they'd impact more immediately than Lamb or Jeudy but they aren't special transcendent talents that I'd bet as long term assets.  I'd take the talent profiles of all those others before mediocre/poor ones like Aiyuk and Pittman.  

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4 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

I don't like Pittman either.  Late breakout for both and I did not like their tape when I watched them.  But as for Aiyuk specifically, JUCO route doesn't inspire confidence and the only reason he produced is because Harry left.  That's the way I see it at least.  Out of the top11 they are the last 2 I'd take.  Reagor, Lamb, Jefferson, Higgins, Mims, Shenault, Edwards, Jeudy, Ruggs and then those 2. 

I don't really have much doubt they'd impact more immediately than Lamb or Jeudy but they aren't special transcendent talents that I'd bet as long term assets.  I'd take the talent profiles of all those others before mediocre/poor ones like Aiyuk and Pittman.  

I disagree with you about Aiyuk and Pittman.  I believe both will be better than some of those you listed, and probably several you listed.  Especially Shenault, Edwards, Mims, and Ruggs.  Probably Jefferson too, but maybe not on Jefferson, I don't know for sure.

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2 hours ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Way to be rude for no reason

The guys ability to disproportionately accumulate assets would lean me towards just getting the best player in any deal. But like he says, the best WR in FF is just a small piece of his vast roster, so sure, trade him for a haul if the draft picks and upside intrigue you. It’s a nice position to be in 

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6 hours ago, menobrown said:

FFPC

Gave: Antonio Gibson

Got: 2021#1 which currently looks to me like a non-playoff team, top 6 pick.

 

 

 

Definitely jumped the shark in literally 2 days.... I don't care how good he does as a rookie, this is such an easy accept.  

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On 8/8/2020 at 12:49 PM, NE_REVIVAL said:

Me, FFPC, contending tm.

 

Give

B. Aiyuk & A. Mcfarland

Get

R. Woods

I'm not big fan of Woods (do not own him anywhere else), but as often happens in the FFPC I really need the roster spot and I think Woods can help me this yr and next so why not. 

This is a good move.  Bobby Trees should be much better with Cooks and Gurley gone.  Aiyuk and McFarland are dart throws.  If you want to compete this was a great move to me and I'm not huge on Woods.

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1 hour ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

This is a good move.  Bobby Trees should be much better with Cooks and Gurley gone.  Aiyuk and McFarland are dart throws.  If you want to compete this was a great move to me and I'm not huge on Woods.

Woods is the most undervalued player in FF right now.

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13 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

What value do you place on the following players in a PPR dynasty (keep all, no cap) league?

1. Mike Evans is the WR ____
2. Tyreek Hill is the WR____
3. D.Hopkins is the WR ____

Thanks in advance. 

This is completed trades but:

Hill- 2

Hopkins- 8

Evans- 10 

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13 minutes ago, smbkrypt24 said:

This is completed trades but:

Hill- 2

Hopkins- 8

Evans- 10 

No worries - appreciate the response. I expect this to be all over the map, but I’m interested in seeing what Active dynasty trade folks like the FGB-era say.

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2 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Took a 2nd for Gibson. 

It's crowded and it's Washington. He's not Christian McCaffrey. 

No chance I’d take a random 2 for him. And completely disagree that it’s crowded. At least not as far as NFL backfields go. There’s just bodies and whatever Bryce Love is.

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35 minutes ago, Cobbler1 said:

No chance I’d take a random 2 for him. And completely disagree that it’s crowded. At least not as far as NFL backfields go. There’s just bodies and whatever Bryce Love is.

And he's another one of the bodies. He was athletically gifted in college too. Should have done more.

People sell 2nd round picks short. They're more valuable than okay specific guys when it comes time to trade.

 

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