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On 1/15/2021 at 5:23 PM, Jonesin For Some Football said:

12 team, .5 PPR, and 1 QB...

 

This year's champ gives:

Josh Jacobs, 2022 1st (projected very late again), and 2022 4th

for

Jalen Reagor, 1.6, 1.8, 1.11 and 3.4

 

Thoughts?

On paper I would prefer Jacobs and the future 1st in half PPR. I haven’t played half PPR but did play no PPR for a long time and RB’s (especially young ones) are gold. Any picks outside of early 1sts and WR’s rarely had much value in those leagues. I also don’t like Reagor much.

In actuality my guess is that Jacobs was probably the ranking champs RB3 or 4 so they are moving a non-core starter for a lot of good chances at rebuilding their depth for the future and some nice trade material. Jacobs owner gets a future 1st which is always good trade fodder, plus even great dynasty teams one season can struggle the next so there is upside there. Probably a good trade for both IMO.

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1 hour ago, Buckna said:

On paper I would prefer Jacobs and the future 1st in half PPR. I haven’t played half PPR but did play no PPR for a long time and RB’s (especially young ones) are gold. Any picks outside of early 1sts and WR’s rarely had much value in those leagues. I also don’t like Reagor much.

In actuality my guess is that Jacobs was probably the ranking champs RB3 or 4 so they are moving a non-core starter for a lot of good chances at rebuilding their depth for the future and some nice trade material. Jacobs owner gets a future 1st which is always good trade fodder, plus even great dynasty teams one season can struggle the next so there is upside there. Probably a good trade for both IMO.

You are correct that I have Barkley, Kamara, Mixon, and Montgomery as well as some lower end guys like Gus Edwards, Gio, and Benny Snell so a lot of depth.  Our trades can't be finalized until after the SB when the league re-opens so this could be evolving as I also have Kittle & Kelce so he is looking to figure something out to include a TE also.

I had traded my last year's draft and my 1st 2 picks this year during the season to build my team due to injuries so wanted to get some draft capital back is the only reason.  I like the players I am giving away much more but figured it was a good time to get some of those picks.

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Non-ppr, IDP

Gave: Dallas Goedert

Got: 2.10

I know people won't like this one, but his perceived value isn't close to reality. I offered him to the Eagles fan for a 2.4 and was turned down flat.

I'm in a total teardown and want the flexibility of picks. Now I have four firsts and three seconds.

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On 1/19/2021 at 2:35 PM, tex said:

This trade was more cap related on my part than anything else. IDP Dynasty salary league. PPR

I gave up Alvin Kamara, George Kittle, Laviska Shenault, and Anthony Walker.

I got Antonio Gibson, Mark Andrews, Brando Aiyuk, and Patrick McQueen.

Like I said mainly cap driven on my part. I was going to be forced to cut a lot of good players to get under the cap for next year, even before the rookie draft. I also have the 3rd pick in the draft and my own late round first. Another factor I considered is even as good as Kamara is, with Taysom Hill at QB, I think Kamara's value diminishes.

 

 

 

 

Depends a bit on your IDP scoring, as McQueen is worth a lot more than Walker.   That said, this looks like a you might have given up a little more, but if you had to trade under salary cap duress, I'd say you did pretty damn good.

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3 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Non-ppr, IDP

Gave: Dallas Goedert

Got: 2.10

I know people won't like this one, but his perceived value isn't close to reality. I offered him to the Eagles fan for a 2.4 and was turned down flat.

I'm in a total teardown and want the flexibility of picks. Now I have four firsts and three seconds.

I'm not surprised you were turned down at 2.04, as there might be some very nice players available at that pick.   So that said, 2.10 isn't a bad decision if you're in rebuild mode, and the top 2 TEs in the draft look like winners.

A lot of other years I'd take Goedert.

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15 minutes ago, The Future Champs said:

I'm not surprised you were turned down at 2.04, as there might be some very nice players available at that pick.   So that said, 2.08 isn't a bad decision if you're in rebuild mode, and the top 2 TEs in the draft look like winners.

A lot of other years I'd take Goedert.

I think I’d need a late first to consider giving up Goedert. TEs take too long to develop. Why start over? If you drafted him, this is what you’ve been waiting for. 

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7 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

TEs are fantasy's new kickers. Other than the top two their performance is so random week to week it's not worth worrying about.

Very true, except owning a TE that breaks out is a very nice thing indeed.    I've got Hockenson, Kittle, and the 1.06, and I'll be sorely tempted to use that on Pitts if he's available.   (Assuming the best RBs are gone, and I'm already stacked at WR.)

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9 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

TEs are fantasy's new kickers. Other than the top two their performance is so random week to week it's not worth worrying about.

What do you consider the 2.10 if not random chance at a starter? As was mentioned earlier I’m not moving Goedert for the 2.10. Not even close. This is a wonderful time of year to poach players like this because people just love draft picks!!

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1 hour ago, BigAl21 said:

What do you consider the 2.10 if not random chance at a starter? As was mentioned earlier I’m not moving Goedert for the 2.10. Not even close. This is a wonderful time of year to poach players like this because people just love draft picks!!

It's a little different in IDP since the 22 picks will include some defensive players (although I'm not sure about that). So the 2.10 has a lot of possibilities.

There were three TEs in the top 40 pass catchers in non-ppr this year  Kelce, Waller, and Tonyan. The last was on most people's waiver wire to begin the season. (I know, there would have been four if Kittle hadn't been hurt.)

Further, the difference in PPG between #3 Tonyan and #10 Hayden Hurst was not quite 1.8 points. That's not a big difference to me. You may differ, and that's okay.

There were a lot of players with more upside than Goedert that went around the 2.10 mark last year. Your list may vary but I'd rather have a chance at a guy like Justin Herbert, Antonio Gibson, Chase Claypool, Kenneth Murray (LB), and possibly Shenault than sit with an easily replicable player in Goedert.

But the real value is increased flexibility. You're right, people love rookie picks. Which means they're of better use in packages to move up (or down) in the draft. A hypothetical move of 1.8 to 1.5 (or whatever) is typically easier to do with draft picks than players.

Lastly, and this is just my opinion, people projecting Goedert to match the production of peak Ertz have a firm grip on an empty sack.

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Trade proposal. 12-tm PPR SF.

Team A (High-end contender) receives:
- CeeDee Lamb
- Miles Sanders
- 1.07

Team B (Low-end contender) receives:
- DK Metcalf
- Marquise Brown
- Carson Wentz (Eagles fan, Wentz believer)
- Myles Gaskin

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18 minutes ago, AJF07 said:

Trade proposal. 12-tm PPR SF.

Team A (High-end contender) receives:
- CeeDee Lamb
- Miles Sanders
- 1.07

Team B (Low-end contender) receives:
- DK Metcalf
- Marquise Brown
- Carson Wentz (Eagles fan, Wentz believer)
- Myles Gaskin

This belongs in the Assistant Coach Forum.

But as long as I'm here...Lamb/Sanders/1.07 by a LOT.

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27 minutes ago, AJF07 said:

Trade proposal. 12-tm PPR SF.

Team A (High-end contender) receives:
- CeeDee Lamb
- Miles Sanders
- 1.07

Team B (Low-end contender) receives:
- DK Metcalf
- Marquise Brown
- Carson Wentz (Eagles fan, Wentz believer)
- Myles Gaskin

Hope Team B got dinner and some hard drinks too ;)

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2 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

It's a little different in IDP since the 22 picks will include some defensive players (although I'm not sure about that). So the 2.10 has a lot of possibilities.

There were three TEs in the top 40 pass catchers in non-ppr this year  Kelce, Waller, and Tonyan. The last was on most people's waiver wire to begin the season. (I know, there would have been four if Kittle hadn't been hurt.)

Further, the difference in PPG between #3 Tonyan and #10 Hayden Hurst was not quite 1.8 points. That's not a big difference to me. You may differ, and that's okay.

There were a lot of players with more upside than Goedert that went around the 2.10 mark last year. Your list may vary but I'd rather have a chance at a guy like Justin Herbert, Antonio Gibson, Chase Claypool, Kenneth Murray (LB), and possibly Shenault than sit with an easily replicable player in Goedert.

But the real value is increased flexibility. You're right, people love rookie picks. Which means they're of better use in packages to move up (or down) in the draft. A hypothetical move of 1.8 to 1.5 (or whatever) is typically easier to do with draft picks than players.

Lastly, and this is just my opinion, people projecting Goedert to match the production of peak Ertz have a firm grip on an empty sack.

I guess it all comes down to where you value a guy like Goedert. While this past draft might have seen some names like Gibson and Aiyuk in the 20-24 range it was full of land mines as well, with the likes of Hamler, Edwards, Vaughn, Tyler Johnson, Eno Benjamin, McFarland, Prople-Jones, depending on that site you get your ADP from. IDP format might push a name or two back in the top 22, but doesn’t change my outlook on this trade.

not that these guys should be judged after a single, weird rookie season either, but their lack of current value doesn’t help in your rosters current flexibility, either.

I for one prefer to accumulate good football players then play the flexible roster game. And I view Goedert as a good football player. I fully understand if someone doesn’t agree on this point as He does need to put together a full solid season.

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1 hour ago, AJF07 said:

Trade proposal. 12-tm PPR SF.

Team A (High-end contender) receives:
- CeeDee Lamb
- Miles Sanders
- 1.07

Team B (Low-end contender) receives:
- DK Metcalf
- Marquise Brown
- Carson Wentz (Eagles fan, Wentz believer)
- Myles Gaskin

B looking to stay low end I guess...

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1 hour ago, AJF07 said:

Trade proposal. 12-tm PPR SF.

Team A (High-end contender) receives:
- CeeDee Lamb
- Miles Sanders
- 1.07

Team B (Low-end contender) receives:
- DK Metcalf
- Marquise Brown
- Carson Wentz (Eagles fan, Wentz believer)
- Myles Gaskin

Team A in a heartbeat, and it isn't even close IMHO.

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2 hours ago, AJF07 said:

Trade proposal. 12-tm PPR SF.

Team A (High-end contender) receives:
- CeeDee Lamb
- Miles Sanders
- 1.07

Team B (Low-end contender) receives:
- DK Metcalf
- Marquise Brown
- Carson Wentz (Eagles fan, Wentz believer)
- Myles Gaskin

This is a terrible deal.  Like that might have been an ok deal had they not had to give 1.7 also.  I'd rage accept this deal as Team A.

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18 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Non-ppr, IDP

Gave: Dallas Goedert

Got: 2.10

I know people won't like this one, but his perceived value isn't close to reality. I offered him to the Eagles fan for a 2.4 and was turned down flat.

I'm in a total teardown and want the flexibility of picks. Now I have four firsts and three seconds.

It’s not like goedart is old.  This is his time with ertz likely cut.

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19 minutes ago, jadensdad said:

12 team Superflex ppr

team a - julio

team b - Hilton, 2.12 and 3.06 

Definitely Julio...not really sure what Team B is trying to accomplish here...if you can get a good return for Julio it is time to move on from him but IMO this isn't a good return...Hilton is the same age as Julio and those two picks are not near the stud area...Julio is aging but he still has some juice left and Team A just got him while working around the edges of his roster...this is a bad deal.

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28 minutes ago, jadensdad said:

12 team Superflex ppr

team a - julio

team b - Hilton, 2.12 and 3.06 

In a non superflex league I believe Julio's value is somewhere around 1.12'ish and I'm not sure if that's not being generous. I'm basing that on a trade I saw, trades I tried to do but those were in-season when he was not hurt at the time so if anything is probably less but I don't play superflex so 1.12 in that format might be more like 1.9 in SF.

Hilton's value likely changes depending on if he returns to Colts vs where he might go. But right now it's super low. Was cut in some leagues of mine this past year. I own him in some leagues were I'll have to cut down to 14-16 position players and he may not make that cut, depends where he signs. If someone offered me a third right now I'd take it.

So for me unless Hilton has a homerun landing spot this seems a little light for value of Julio. If Hilton lands ok and it's a large roster league or one that allows for time for rookies to develop without needing to make a decision on keeping them the Hilton side  might do ok or even win but at the end of the day it's going to take hitting to some degree on those picks and those are for sure not gimme picks.

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36 minutes ago, Spike said:

Non-PPR IDP

Derrick Henry and Odell Beckham

for

Jonathan Taylor, TJ Watt and 2022 #1 and #2 (the trading owner had the #1 3 years running now)

Henry is obviously great but Beckham has been skating by on reputation for about three years now.

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4 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Henry is obviously great but Beckham has been skating by on reputation for about three years now.

I don't think that is working for Beckham anymore though. I have received a couple offers with him, though. People are definitely trying to offload.

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4 hours ago, menobrown said:

I'd have kept looking for a better deal to unload Mostert.

I’m sure he did that and this was the best haul available in his particular league. Calculator values aren’t accurate when it comes to a player’s perceived value in a small sample size of 11 other owners... 

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4 minutes ago, BigAl21 said:

I’m sure he did that and this was the best haul available in his particular league. Calculator values aren’t accurate when it comes to a player’s perceived value in a small sample size of 11 other owners... 

He had over 2 more months

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1 hour ago, menobrown said:

He had over 2 more months

While picks become more dear to their owners. I get what you're saying. Mostert's value should be higher than that. It should be around a second or third, but sometimes people just aren't biting, especially with him for some reason. I went through something similar, and got lucky to get a mid-second from a contender right before Week 13.

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8 hours ago, rockaction said:

While picks become more dear to their owners. I get what you're saying. Mostert's value should be higher than that. It should be around a second or third, but sometimes people just aren't biting, especially with him for some reason. I went through something similar, and got lucky to get a mid-second from a contender right before Week 13.

I think people see that any RB they put back there is able to be successful and that hurts Mostert’s perceived value. If Jeff Wilson can come in and score 3 TDs, why not just grab the lower “rated” RBs from the team and wait your turn.

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39 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I think people see that any RB they put back there is able to be successful and that hurts Mostert’s perceived value. If Jeff Wilson can come in and score 3 TDs, why not just grab the lower “rated” RBs from the team and wait your turn.

Very true. I was tempted to send the Wilson owner an offer the other day. Unless they draft somebody at RB, he's set for some work in that offense.

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22 hours ago, Spike said:

Non-PPR IDP

Derrick Henry and Odell Beckham

for

Jonathan Taylor, TJ Watt and 2022 #1 and #2 (the trading owner had the #1 3 years running now)

The trade was rescinded.  (I thought it was accepted.)

What DID get accepted (and has gone through) is as follows:

Beckham, Aldon Smith and Leighton Vander Eshch

for

His 2022 #1.

My team is aging and his is just bad.  At QB he has Tua and Wentz, at RB he only has Taylor, at WR he has Robby Anderson, Beckham, Alshon Jeffrey and Denzel Mims.  He has 9 TEs, the best of whom is Allie Mo-Cox, Aldon Smith is now his best DL and his only other good defensive player is TJ Watt.

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17 minutes ago, Spike said:

The trade was rescinded.  (I thought it was accepted.)

What DID get accepted (and has gone through) is as follows:

Beckham, Aldon Smith and Leighton Vander Eshch

for

His 2022 #1.

My team is aging and his is just bad.  At QB he has Tua and Wentz, at RB he only has Taylor, at WR he has Robby Anderson, Beckham, Alshon Jeffrey and Denzel Mims.  He has 9 TEs, the best of whom is Allie Mo-Cox, Aldon Smith is now his best DL and his only other good defensive player is TJ Watt.

You should be ashamed of yourself

Signed,

10 other jealous owners

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2 hours ago, Spike said:

The trade was rescinded.  (I thought it was accepted.)

What DID get accepted (and has gone through) is as follows:

Beckham, Aldon Smith and Leighton Vander Eshch

for

His 2022 #1.

My team is aging and his is just bad.  At QB he has Tua and Wentz, at RB he only has Taylor, at WR he has Robby Anderson, Beckham, Alshon Jeffrey and Denzel Mims.  He has 9 TEs, the best of whom is Allie Mo-Cox, Aldon Smith is now his best DL and his only other good defensive player is TJ Watt.

Steal!

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20 hours ago, Landro21 said:

10 Team PPR 1QB

 

A: Lamar, CEH, Golladay, Logan Thomas 

B: Godwin, Wentz, 1.04, 2.01, 2.02 

 

I don't play in 10 team leagues, but team A looks like he got 3 starters + Thomas; I will take that side

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14 hours ago, rockaction said:

While picks become more dear to their owners. I get what you're saying. Mostert's value should be higher than that. It should be around a second or third, but sometimes people just aren't biting, especially with him for some reason. I went through something similar, and got lucky to get a mid-second from a contender right before Week 13.

Not trying to make a big deal about Mostert, who I was likely more down then anyone else on these boards last offseason. I just think if the owner had a little more patience he could have got at least a little better and sometimes that makes a difference.

But I wanted to reply because most of the comments to my post seem to indicate all options were exhausted and that's highly unlikely to be the case for a variety of reasons such as:

1. In FFPC if you've not paid for 2021 you can't trade.

2. Majority of FFPC leagues have teams for sale and that does not include owners who have not decided on next season so more teams could be sold. So combined with point 1 above it's highly unlikely you actually have 11 other trade partners in a league right now.

 

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18 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

FFPC Superflex

Gave: JuJu

Got: Julio, 2022 1st

I don’t like it but then again I’m still really high on JuJu. Super flex makes it close with that 1st possibility of a QB but if you’re trading Juju why are you looking at Julio? 

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