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57 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

Same FFPC SF as above, not involved:

R Wilson, 1.11, 2022 3rd, McNichols
for
Herbert, Shepard

This particular league has been popping off. 19 trades in February. 33 since Jan 1st. I made 9 of them.

I’ll take Wilson/1.11. Wilson is older and taken hits but I think he has a number of years left. 

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1 hour ago, barackdhouse said:

Same FFPC SF as above, not involved:

R Wilson, 1.11, 2022 3rd, McNichols
for
Herbert, Shepard

This particular league has been popping off. 19 trades in February. 33 since Jan 1st. I made 9 of them.

I will go with Herbert and the 9.5 year age difference...that is not a lot to give up to gain that youth without losing any production.

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1 hour ago, menobrown said:

I absolutely think he only wants to play with Brady and I'm about 100% sure he resigns with Tampa, just not sure he costs a little more then people assume.

Or a little less.  As funny as it seems to say, I don't think money is a huge factor.  Winning matters and Gronk can have a smaller role in Tampa, compared to his New England days.

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I don't think age is much of a factor when you consider how many years Wilson likely has left. This guy needs more RBs and WRs not QBs. He now has Herbert instead of Wilson but still isn't competing and just gave away a premium pick.

Even if I'm wrong about the age difference meaning much, and even if Herbert outscores Wilson, he still isn't improving his lineup as much this way. He went from 1.03 to 1.09 to 1.11 to now his best pick is 2.02 and made basically a lateral move at QB (in terms of his boxscore). Gained a couple future 1sts and Deebo and Shepard, who are probably starting for him. 

I don't think you make a move like this for QBs until you are ready to win. And even then, I wouldn't be swapping Wilson for Herbert. I'd be swapping someone much lower. 

Last week I gave Gibson and a future 1st for Wilson in a different FFPC SF and only did it because my team can afford it. I would never have done that if I was rebuilding. Would have snapped it in the other direction most likely.

 

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1 hour ago, DropKick said:

Or a little less.  As funny as it seems to say, I don't think money is a huge factor.  Winning matters and Gronk can have a smaller role in Tampa, compared to his New England days.

That's the point I was trying to make, which is counter to what you and others are saying. I don't see what changed from last year, why money would matter less to Gronk then it did last year and he got paid $10m. And I do understand that was his contract tolling from NE but it could have been reworked.

For fantasy purposes none of this is likely relevant or even real life purposes other then impact on Tampas' cap  since I only see Gronk playing in Tampa. Just as a point of conversation I  absolutely think what he's paid matters more to Gronk then people are giving it credit. He's just in a unusual situation were he likely won't test FA or use that as leverage to get some decent pay for his services but I don't think he'll need to since he'll have Brady making necessary push to make sure he's compensated. Won't be $10M, but he's not some league minimum guy or like they got Fournette and AB to play for them last year kind of guy either, not in my opinion.

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34 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Herbert > Wilson

1.11 in superflex will be a solid prospect as well. Probably 3-4 qbs and a te will go before 1.11, leaving some meaty picks on the board. Seattle passing less is a worry, and yeah you should get more years out of Herbert, but I’d take the package. It’s a fair deal either way I think. 

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6 minutes ago, menobrown said:

That's the point I was trying to make, which is counter to what you and others are saying. I don't see what changed from last year, why money would matter less to Gronk then it did last year and he got paid $10m. And I do understand that was his contract tolling from NE but it could have been reworked.

For fantasy purposes none of this is likely relevant or even real life purposes other then impact on Tampas' cap  since I only see Gronk playing in Tampa. Just as a point of conversation I  absolutely think what he's paid matters more to Gronk then people are giving it credit. He's just in a unusual situation were he likely won't test FA or use that as leverage to get some decent pay for his services but I don't think he'll need to since he'll have Brady making necessary push to make sure he's compensated. Won't be $10M, but he's not some league minimum guy or like they got Fournette and AB to play for them last year kind of guy either, not in my opinion.

No, he won't play for league minimum or what AB and Fournette got. That wasn't what I was trying to say. He'll get paid. Just not what he could get on the true open market, because the market, which is Tampa and Tampa alone, is what Tampa is willing to pay him to keep him from retiring. That's the only bargaining chip he holds. Tampa might, to keep the rest of the company (Brady) happy, pay him more than he'd take at a minimum, but that'll be to keep the good vibes of championship season flowing in Buccaneer land.

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8 hours ago, kutta said:

I’m opposed to that. There are a lot of great posters in this thread that play FFPC and I fear we would lose some of their thoughts. I don’t play FFPC and I am totally fine with the discussions. It’s interesting.

Its all good, I think FFPC Dynasty deserves its own thread and perhaps BDH has the right idea with a separate thread for all things FFPC Dynasty but still use this one for trades. I don't want to be a splitter (thinking Life of Brian).

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5 hours ago, menobrown said:

That's the point I was trying to make, which is counter to what you and others are saying. I don't see what changed from last year, why money would matter less to Gronk then it did last year and he got paid $10m. And I do understand that was his contract tolling from NE but it could have been reworked.

For fantasy purposes none of this is likely relevant or even real life purposes other then impact on Tampas' cap  since I only see Gronk playing in Tampa. Just as a point of conversation I  absolutely think what he's paid matters more to Gronk then people are giving it credit. He's just in a unusual situation were he likely won't test FA or use that as leverage to get some decent pay for his services but I don't think he'll need to since he'll have Brady making necessary push to make sure he's compensated. Won't be $10M, but he's not some league minimum guy or like they got Fournette and AB to play for them last year kind of guy either, not in my opinion.

You must have me confused with somebody.  I made the point that Gronk was more likely than Godwin or Fournette to be in Tampa next season.  Maybe all three will be there... Gronk just seems the least likely to move on.

And I don't think anybody but you mentioned bargain basement prices.

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5 minutes ago, Chad Parsons said:

12tm PPR

JD Mckissic

For

3.06

McKissic was actually effective last year with 80 receptions and 954 total yards...he had the type of season that many dismiss but come around week 13 when the injuries are piling up you could be real happy you have him...that being said this is the type of deal you make if you are in about week 9 or 10 and you have a legit chance to win a title and you want to beef up your bench without giving up a core asset...right now I would much rather save that asset for something else...also, you really don't know if that was a one year blip for McKissic (he has never come close to that amount of receptions before) or if the Skins draft or sign another quality RB than you may simply be giving away this pick...so for me there is no need to make this deal.

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Same league as above, I'm not involved in any of these trades. A new owner apparently bought a team last night and popped off both of these trades and both to the same owner.

Team A gave: 1.6

Team B gave: 2.3, 2.4, 2.8 and 3.3

Second trade involving both teams:

Team gave: Tee Higgins

Team B gave: 1.8, 2022#2

So in total this new owner gave 1.6 and Higgins for 1.8, 2.3, 2.4, 2.8, 3.3 and a 2022#2.

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1 hour ago, menobrown said:

Gave: Rashaad Penny

Got: 3.2

Woke up to this offer and took it not because I don't think Penny is worth a speculative add for 3.2 but because he was below my cutline and I'd had no success so far on moving anyone to clear up space.

I've tried offering him and a late 3rd just to move up in the 3rd in a few leagues. Nobody is interested. Penny would be my cut, which looks like he'd be the cut for others too. I can't even move up with Penny, let alone just get a 3rd straight up. 

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1 minute ago, Zyphros said:

I've tried offering him and a late 3rd just to move up in the 3rd in a few leagues. Nobody is interested. Penny would be my cut, which looks like he'd be the cut for others too. I can't even move up with Penny, let alone just get a 3rd straight up. 

I personally think he's worth a third if you got the room. They might draft or sign someone to blow his value to pieces but comparatively speaking to a RB option you can draft in round 3 I think he's got a better shot to have a role, maybe a big one. Obviously you don't have to draft a RB in round 3, just saying for that position I'm not sure you can get something that has as good as shot as he does.

But on this team he was not only a cut but I had 3 players at least on par with him so not real close to being a keeper. I do have another team with Penny were as of now it's my intention to keep him, but it's close and even then I'd strongly consider bailing for 3.2 but that's based on not just the pick but the player I'd get to keep, in that league if I had no one I was going to cut worth keeping I'd actually prefer Penny over 3.2.

 

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1 hour ago, rockaction said:

Anybody have McKissic's numbers with and without Smith? If Washington moves on from Alex Smith, McKissic is likely not worth a 3.06. At all.

He did have his two best games of the year in week 15-16 when Alex Smith was out but Gibson missed one of those games and was not himself the other one.

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5 hours ago, menobrown said:

Same league as above, I'm not involved in any of these trades. A new owner apparently bought a team last night and popped off both of these trades and both to the same owner.

Team A gave: 1.6

Team B gave: 2.3, 2.4, 2.8 and 3.3

Second trade involving both teams:

Team gave: Tee Higgins

Team B gave: 1.8, 2022#2

So in total this new owner gave 1.6 and Higgins for 1.8, 2.3, 2.4, 2.8, 3.3 and a 2022#2.

I'll take Higgins and the pick.

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FFPC SF

I gave 3.07, 2022 3rd
I got G Davis, Hamler

This is the worst orphan I posted about in the FFPC thread. I need at least one cheap QB and to probably overpay for a middle of the road 2nd QB to be competitive this year. And to get lucky at TE a little bit. But Davis and Hamler are two of my favorite buy lows and this squad has room. This would be more or less coming at the expense of Agholor and Perriman as cut casualties. Maybe someone wants one for a 4th or 5th or something greater than 0.

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15 hours ago, Boston said:

I would go with the 3.12...I don't see Grant as fantasy-relevant and at age 28 I don't see that changing...Team A has to love the fact they got anything for Grant.

I can’t imagine what would possess someone to trade for Jakeem Grant. I would imagine he’s on waivers in 80% of leagues.

 

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20 hours ago, menobrown said:

Seems like my leagues are waking up, not involved but this one just went down.

Team A gave: 1.1

Team B gave: Davante Adams, 2.8 and 3.8

What kind of league is this? SF or 1QB?  I'm mulling a similar offer for Adams in one league, this is interesting data point

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4 hours ago, BigAl21 said:

You squeezed value to get Davis alone for the 3rd and 2022 third. Maybe other owner wasn’t going to keep them so got what he could but it meant a nice discount on Davis for you. 
 

try moving those other two but doubt either brings back anything.

Yeah he took that offer but I had the two 3rds on the table with a 4th coming back to me instead of Hamler but he went with that one. Two roster spots cleared. 

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1 hour ago, Andy Dufresne said:

4pts/passing TD Zealots IDP

Got: 4.1

Gave: Sam Darnold

For my next trick, I shall walk on water.

1 QB, I assume. Huh. You can thank the proliferation of sites desperate for content telling us Darnold is a buy-high in Superflex and also thank the somebody that misunderstood the content greatly.

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2 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

4pts/passing TD Zealots IDP

Got: 4.1

Gave: Sam Darnold

 

For my next trick, I shall walk on water.

 

31 minutes ago, rockaction said:

1 QB, I assume. Huh. You can thank the proliferation of sites desperate for content telling us Darnold is a buy-high in Superflex and also thank the somebody that misunderstood the content greatly.

Gives me a ridiculous 14 picks in a 6 round draft. And an extra 2nd in 2022.

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.01

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.08

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.10

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.12

Year 2021 Draft Pick 2.01

Year 2021 Draft Pick 2.02

Year 2021 Draft Pick 3.08

Year 2021 Draft Pick 3.12

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.01

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.02

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.02

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.08

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.10

Year 2021 Draft Pick 6.02

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