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10 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Gives me a ridiculous 14 picks in a 6 round draft. And an extra 2nd in 2022.

Nice. That's quite a few. I'm also a bit flush with picks, but more in the sense that they're top-heavy than quantity of. Two first and four seconds. And I'm already bumped up to eight picks for 2022, including an extra first and extra second. Hoping that draft class turns out stellar, as I plan on accumulating more.

eta* I saw your edit. Love your four first-round picks. Our league is really flinty with picks. That'd be an avalanche of them. It looks like a rebuild since you've got the .01, too, in three places. Good luck.

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33 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

 

Gives me a ridiculous 14 picks in a 6 round draft. And an extra 2nd in 2022.

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.01

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.08

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.10

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.12

Year 2021 Draft Pick 2.01

Year 2021 Draft Pick 2.02

Year 2021 Draft Pick 3.08

Year 2021 Draft Pick 3.12

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.01

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.02

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.02

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.08

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.10

Year 2021 Draft Pick 6.02

I think this is too many draft picks and waste of resources unless you can use these to make other deals happen.  Going into a six round rookie draft with anything more than 8-ish picks is too many.  It's good to acquire but optimizing the value by using them to move up and consolidate is really the best thing.  Hopefully you have a league that will allow you to do so.  

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10 minutes ago, Gally said:

I think this is too many draft picks and waste of resources unless you can use these to make other deals happen.  Going into a six round rookie draft with anything more than 8-ish picks is too many.  It's good to acquire but optimizing the value by using them to move up and consolidate is really the best thing.  Hopefully you have a league that will allow you to do so.  

Only if you suck at drafting, which I don't. Just kidding...But really, I don't.

And yeah, I'm hoping to move around in the draft. Plus, it includes IDP so the idea of six rounds doesn't stretch things as thin as it might seem. And Zealots are 53 player rosters.

But those later picks ARE where you can make a lot of hay with IDP players.

And six are in the first 14 picks, so it's already a bit front loaded.

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2 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Only if you suck at drafting, which I don't. Just kidding...But really, I don't.

And yeah, I'm hoping to move around in the draft. Plus, it includes IDP so the idea of six rounds doesn't stretch things as thin as it might seem.

But those later picks ARE where you can make a lot of hay with IDP players.

Sure, but you can also do the same off waivers for IDP in may cases too.  They are all dart throws in the 5th & 6th round but as you said you are a great dart thrower.   I just don't see having the roster space for 14 rookies in most cases.  Maybe your league is different.  

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3 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

4pts/passing TD Zealots IDP

Got: 4.1

Gave: Sam Darnold

 

For my next trick, I shall walk on water.

Who does the other guy have at QB?  How many teams in the league?

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19 minutes ago, Gally said:

Sure, but you can also do the same off waivers for IDP in may cases too.  They are all dart throws in the 5th & 6th round but as you said you are a great dart thrower.   I just don't see having the roster space for 14 rookies in most cases.  Maybe your league is different.  

I said 53 but it's actually 60 spots in the off season.

I got picks for detritus...how can that be bad?

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2 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

I said 53 but it's actually 60 spots in the off season.

I got picks for detritus...how can that be bad?

I never said it was bad but if you just keep them it doesn't maximize your resources.  If you are able to use them to move up to guys that you target earlier then you are maximizing the value.  It definitely gives you great flexibility and hopefully you are able to use that to it's potential.  Keeping the picks doesn't maximize that potential (IMO)

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30 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Twelve team league.

His QBs are Teddy, Taysom, Jalen, & Mtchell.

I actually like what he did...he has a very odd group of QBs where they all could start or none of them could...with that unit giving up a 4.1 is a nice dice roll as Darnold could get dealt somewhere where he turns it around and becomes fantasy relevant, if not he only gave up the 4.1...for you my guess is you are fine at QB, options to deal Darnold are limited and you would rather have the pick to add to your haul.

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17 minutes ago, Boston said:

I actually like what he did...he has a very odd group of QBs where they all could start or none of them could...with that unit giving up a 4.1 is a nice dice roll as Darnold could get dealt somewhere where he turns it around and becomes fantasy relevant, if not he only gave up the 4.1...for you my guess is you are fine at QB, options to deal Darnold are limited and you would rather have the pick to add to your haul.

Actually, I'm not. But Darnold doesn't fix that.

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12 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Actually, I'm not. But Darnold doesn't fix that.

If that is the case (and you are not in some type of roster squeeze situation) I would rather hold onto him and see where he ends up because there's a good chance he gets traded and it could be to somewhere where he has a chance to turn it around...he is still only 23. 

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Non-ppr Zealots IDP, this is the team that I have all those picks for upthread.

Gave: D'Andre Swift, Tua Tagovailoa, 1.10, 2.02, 3.08

Got: Tee Higgins, Terry McLaurin, Tom Brady

I cut things to the quick and need to get some more guaranteed talent back on board. I had zero at WR before this trade. And I'm not a huge believer in Swift. He wanted the 1.08, but I threw in the 3.08 to make it the 1.10 instead since I like the players up to pick eight. So I still have the #1, #8, #12, & #13...plus all the other picks I had before.

This will come down to ones feelings about Swift, I know. But I'm a big believer in Higgins and like McLaurin too. Brady will be better than Tua until death.

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13 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Non-ppr Zealots IDP, this is the team that I have all those picks for upthread.

Gave: D'Andre Swift, Tua Tagovailoa, 1.10, 2.02, 3.08

Got: Tee Higgins, Terry McLaurin, Tom Brady

I cut things to the quick and need to get some more guaranteed talent back on board. I had zero at WR before this trade. And I'm not a huge believer in Swift. He wanted the 1.08, but I threw in the 3.08 to make it the 1.10 instead since I like the players up to pick eight. So I still have the #1, #8, #12, & #13...plus all the other picks I had before.

This will come down to ones feelings about Swift, I know. But I'm a big believer in Higgins and like McLaurin too. Brady will be better than Tua until death.

With your reasoning, it makes great sense. Also, since Brady will still be playing long after Tua retires...

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Zealots Field trade. 

Traded 1.09 and 3.09

Received 1.08 

My thought is I see a clear top 8:

RB-Harris, Etienne and Williams

WR-Chase, Waddle and Smith

QB-Lawrence

TE-Pitts

I did not want to chance sitting at 1.09 and have them all go 1-8. 

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8 minutes ago, Spike said:

Zealots Field trade. 

Traded 1.09 and 3.09

Received 1.08 

My thought is I see a clear top 8:

RB-Harris, Etienne and Williams

WR-Chase, Waddle and Smith

QB-Lawrence

TE-Pitts

I did not want to chance sitting at 1.09 and have them all go 1-8. 

100% :hifive:

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11 minutes ago, Spike said:

Zealots Field trade. 

Traded 1.09 and 3.09

Received 1.08 

My thought is I see a clear top 8:

RB-Harris, Etienne and Williams

WR-Chase, Waddle and Smith

QB-Lawrence

TE-Pitts

I did not want to chance sitting at 1.09 and have them all go 1-8. 

I would have been happy with Bateman at 1.09.  Some like him more than Waddle and Smith.  Besides, I think the likelihood of those 8 being taken exactly as that are slim.  In a one QB league Lawrence may fall to the end of the first round.

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1 minute ago, JohnnyU said:

I would have been happy with Bateman at 1.09.  Some like him more than Waddle and Smith.  Besides, I think the likelihood of those 8 being taken exactly as that are slim.  In a one QB league Lawrence may fall to the end of the first round.

Those people are...unwise.

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20 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

I would have been happy with Bateman at 1.09.  Some like him more than Waddle and Smith.  Besides, I think the likelihood of those 8 being taken exactly as that are slim.  In a one QB league Lawrence may fall to the end of the first round.

Agree about Lawrence...if you think he has the potential to put up Mahomes/Josh Allen numbers (and than he does) that is one of those picks that you will be happy you made because you will have your QB position locked up for well over a decade. 

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2 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Okay. I don't think Lawrence gets selected late first even in 1 QB leagues. Zealots doesn't follow the rules when it comes to QBs.

Zealots doesn't, but in our particular Zealots he might. We drafted Tua last year at 1.11 for a needy team, Burrow at 1.12. Same team that drafted Tua won the league and has Brady, Tua, and Derek Carr. He might very well opt for drafting Lawrence at 1.12, though I probably wouldn't.

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19 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Zealots doesn't, but in our particular Zealots he might. We drafted Tua last year at 1.11 for a needy team, Burrow at 1.12. Same team that drafted Tua won the league and has Brady, Tua, and Derek Carr. He might very well opt for drafting Lawrence at 1.12, though I probably wouldn't.

I meant that it's likelier that he goes in the upper 2/3 of the first than lower. Earlier rather than later. I wasn't very clear with my wording.

The only caveat is 4 versus 6 points per passing TDs. In the former, he could go later.

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13 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

I meant that it's likelier that he goes in the upper 2/3 of the first than lower. Earlier rather than later. I wasn't very clear with my wording.

The only caveat is 4 versus 6 points per passing TDs. In the former, he could go later.

Oh, okay. Gotcha. I thought you meant later than the first. That's a big difference in understanding.

Anyway, I'm not sure when he'll go in our league. We're six points passing, but people seem pretty set at QB. And the people that need backups have Mahomes, Watson, and Murray. Hard to imagine they'll spend a first on him. Just league-specific stuff.

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12 team SF PPR

I have Swift Kamara and CEH as my top 3 RB's I remain a little worried of what CEH will be so I made an offer and got this deal done  

Gave CEH and 4.03 rookie pick this year

Got Josh Jacobs

They are valued about the same I just like Jacobs more personally.

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10 minutes ago, Misterblack said:

12-Team Dynasty SuperFlex

Team A: Ryan Tannehill

Team B: Rookie picks 2.06 & 3.06

In a 12 team Super-flex that is a steal for Tannehill...the team getting the picks needs to be getting more than that.

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2 hours ago, Spike said:

Zealots Field trade. 

Traded 1.09 and 3.09

Received 1.08 

My thought is I see a clear top 8:

RB-Harris, Etienne and Williams

WR-Chase, Waddle and Smith

QB-Lawrence

TE-Pitts

I did not want to chance sitting at 1.09 and have them all go 1-8. 

You paid a small tax to guarantee you would get your guy. Nothing wrong with that. Did you consider waiting for the NFL draft to see if your top 8 changed? 

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53 minutes ago, frae said:

12 team SF PPR

I have Swift Kamara and CEH as my top 3 RB's I remain a little worried of what CEH will be so I made an offer

Gave CEH and 4.03 rookie pick this year

Got Josh Jacobs

They are valued about the same I just like Jacobs more personally.

I have Jacobs and am trying to move him and I don't think I would have made this deal.  CEH has such a wide range of outcomes and you basically know what Jacobs gets you.  I was also a big believer in CEH as he was the guy I was targeting even before the draft last  year.  His usage was more worrisome than his actual play.  All this to say I like the Jacobs side more.

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58 minutes ago, frae said:

12 team SF PPR

I have Swift Kamara and CEH as my top 3 RB's I remain a little worried of what CEH will be so I made an offer

Gave CEH and 4.03 rookie pick this year

Got Josh Jacobs

They are valued about the same I just like Jacobs more personally.

Love the Jacobs side here. 

21 minutes ago, Misterblack said:

12-Team Dynasty SuperFlex

Team A: Ryan Tannehill

Team B: Rookie picks 2.06 & 3.06

Too cheap for Tannehill. I got 3.01 and a future 2nd for Jameis Winston like a week ago. And his future is very questionable, Tannehill's isn't (at least immediately). 

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1 hour ago, frae said:

12 team SF PPR

I have Swift Kamara and CEH as my top 3 RB's I remain a little worried of what CEH will be so I made an offer

Gave CEH and 4.03 rookie pick this year

Got Josh Jacobs

They are valued about the same I just like Jacobs more personally.

I actually traded Jacobs last year for pick 1.1 to take CEH. I might have regret on not taking another player instead of CEH at 1.1 but I don't have any regrets on turning Jacobs into CEH so for me I like the side getting CEH who I expect to take a sizeable leap next season.

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15 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I actually traded Jacobs last year for pick 1.1 to take CEH. I might have regret on not taking another player instead of CEH at 1.1 but I don't have any regrets on turning Jacobs into CEH so for me I like the side getting CEH who I expect to take a sizeable leap next season.

I think you can be happy with either side. CEH probably has the higher upside if they actually maximize his talent in the passing game and he gets goal line carries.  Jacobs is going to be near the top in touches again next year for sure and will get goal line work. Until there is another qb there carr just won’t pass to him or maybe it’s the OC. Either way as it stands his passing game use is capped.  
 

im happy with Jacobs but CEH could well take a big step. 

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Anybody claiming that CEH didn't get usage in the passing game wasn't looking at actual passing attempts to running backs last year.

They had the seventh most attempts to RBs last year, with 108 passes to the RBs. Edwards-Helaire isn't going to take off magically because they start dumping down to him. Mahomes doesn't do that. They already were targeting him a lot. I wouldn't expect his usage to increase in this way. (At least too much.)

Here's the RB usage breakdown for everyone interested. Chiefs are middle third, towards the bottom of that.

https://twitter.com/TomKislingbury/status/1364509864563781632/photo/1

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12 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Anybody claiming that CEH didn't get usage in the passing game wasn't looking at actual passing attempts to running backs last year.

CEH got more passing game usage per game then any rookie RB ever under Reid, Hunt's 63 being the most in a season.  So I'm not arguing he did not get usage but I think the targets and efficiency will improve.

Westbrook took until year 3 for him to take a sizeable jump in the passing game with Reid. McCoy did it in year two. Reid never makes his rookies three down backs, even Hunt who led the league in rushing as a rookie and got 63 targets only 3 of those came on third down, West was the main third down back that year. Also Hunts 63 targets came with dump down Alex, his target share per game dropped the next year with Mahomes.  CEH was actually pulled often last year on most third down and obvious passing downs. If that continues his role won't grow but I don't think it will, he'll need to keep improving in pass protection but I don't think they drafted him to be a two down or not used in obvious passing downs RB which is exactly what he was last year, if so that was a dumb move by some usually smart people I still am giving benefit of doubt.

We did see some impressive rookies this year but I still think lack of off-season did not give Chiefs ample time to figure out how to utilize CEH in the passing game.  For instance he looked unguardable at LSU on the angle route, which I thought was his best route. I do not recall CEH getting targets on this route last year.

Part of why I took CEH at 1.1 goes back to what I said earlier. Veach, Reid, these are smart guys. I still trust in them to have a big plan for CEH in the passing game otherwise taking him were they did looks shaky if not dumb.

I do think you are 100% spot on that Mahomes is never going to be a big check down guy. Also even when I was taking CEH at 1.1 I did notice the total Chiefs PPR RB fantasy production the two years with Mahomes at QB was more good then great, was in the 25-26 total PPG range as a team. But again based on what I saw from CEH as a receiver in the college he's more then a dump off guy but that is how he was used last year and most plays when I tried to follow Mahomes eye's I don't think he was ever looking his direction. I am anticipating more designed throws to CEH then dumpoffs, I could of course be wrong.

We'll see, players do improve often from year 1 to 2. CMC played like Danny Woodhead his rookie season and was just a little better in fantasy in ppg as CEH was last year but he got better and they did a better job figuring out how to use him.

 

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Yeah I'm still big on CEH, too, for the record. The upside in that offense is too great. When combined with a reasonable expectation of improvement by him, useage is the biggest question mark, but not in the passing game. I really liked what I saw from him this year on film, but I think people who drafted him were left underwhelmed and are now overcorrecting in their minds. With hindsight everyone would take Taylor and Akers, Dobbins is still close based again on the useage question. But CEH has got to be considered the better PPR play, so....

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49 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

12 team, 1 QB, .5 PPR

Team A Gives:

Miles Sanders

Team B Gives:

1.6, 2022 2nd (projected top half), Gabriel Davis

 

 

8 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

FFPC not involved

Team A gave Dobbins, 1.05

Team B gave Sanders, McLaurin, 2022 2nd

I'm not the biggest fan of Sanders but I think I take his side in both spots here.

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1 hour ago, barackdhouse said:

FFPC not involved

Team A gave Dobbins, 1.05

Team B gave Sanders, McLaurin, 2022 2nd

I feel like Sanders vs Dobbins and 1.5 vs McLaurin are a matter of personal preference though for me I do prefer Sanders over Dobbins and McLaurin over 1.5 provided I got the roster spot for him right now. So when I'm getting a second as well that's easily the side for me.

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2 hours ago, menobrown said:

I feel like Sanders vs Dobbins and 1.5 vs McLaurin are a matter of personal preference though for me I do prefer Sanders over Dobbins and McLaurin over 1.5 provided I got the roster spot for him right now. So when I'm getting a second as well that's easily the side for me.

Yeah I think so, too. It's super close to me and comes down to preference. Dobbins plus the 1.05 gets you two RBs and if you happen to have strong WR depth to afford moving McLaurin, and you wanted to gain a RB, I can see it for sure. I think the 2nd is worth the premium to make that happen. But I tend to agree the 2nd is basically free.

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11 hours ago, Zyphros said:

Love the Jacobs side here. 

Too cheap for Tannehill. I got 3.01 and a future 2nd for Jameis Winston like a week ago. And his future is very questionable, Tannehill's isn't (at least immediately). 

Yeah but that was from me and I'm crazy. I agree about the Tanny side of this though.

FFPC SF - the Winston one

I gave Brady, 3.12
I got Taysom Hill

So now I have the Saints QBs. It is a risk but I like the odds that they don't try to land a big name in FA or move up in the draft. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. Brady was my 3rd QB. But this sums up as Brady, 2022 2nd, 3.01, 3.12 for the hedge that I will get the Saints QB out of this. There is an upside world where Hill gets the job and some other team buys Winston in FA, but that wasn't my thinking. For the record I think a future 2nd and 3.01 is a really nice get. 

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32 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

FFPC 

I gave H Henry
I got Ertz, 2.07

At first I like the Henry side. Think Ertz is donezo and a roster clogger. 2.07 is nothing to sneeze at so I guess this boils down to if you hit or miss on that pick. I don’t draft well so I would take the side getting Hunter.
after thinking about it, though, Henry isn’t special either. Not a difference maker. He’s never gonna elevate into what he’s occasionally shown us in flashes. If you are confident in your drafting ability I’d say take a shot with the 2.07. Also gives you some flexibility.

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