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1 minute ago, jabarony said:

FFPC superflex. 

 

Team A gave 2022 1st & B. Jarwin. 

 

Team B gave M. Gordon, K. Golladay, & 2022 3rd. 

I'm not a fan of the 2022 class, especially at RB.  The QBs should be good however for superflex leagues.  In start 1QB leagues I'm not looking to obtain 2022 picks.  Now 2023 is a different story.....

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3 minutes ago, Helaire-ious said:

PPR

Team A gave Ridley & Burrow

Team B gave Cousins, James Robinson & G. Davis.

Team A really had nothing at RB & is loaded at WR. Other QB of note on that roster is Hurts.

That's the best Team A could get for Ridley? I'd take Ridley/Burrow quite handily. And I wouldn't have made this deal until after the draft.

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3 minutes ago, Helaire-ious said:

PPR

Team A gave Ridley & Burrow

Team B gave Cousins, James Robinson & G. Davis.

Team A really had nothing at RB & is loaded at WR. Other QB of note on that roster is Hurts.

 

 

I'll take Ridley and Burrow pretty easily here...Burrow is 9 years younger then Cousins so that is a very nice Dynasty upgrade right there...Ridley is a legit #1 and while I like Robinson a lot (and they play different positions) Ridley is a much safer player IMO...Davis is a solid prospect but for this deal to make sense that piece needed to be a lot stronger.

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2 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

That's the best Team A could get for Ridley? I'd take Ridley/Burrow quite handily. And I wouldn't have made this deal until after the draft.

Imagine how bad that deal looks if Philly does indeed draft a QB...ouch!

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16 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

12 team ppr - QB/2RB/3WR/TE/FL
 

Mims, Denzel NYJ WR

Shenault, Laviska JAC WR

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.11

For

White, James NEP RB

Adams, Davante GBP WR

Probably a little light for Adam’s, but it’s not that bad and could be a lot closer if Mims and Shenault both make leaps. 

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14 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

12 team ppr - QB/2RB/3WR/TE/FL
 

Mims, Denzel NYJ WR

Shenault, Laviska JAC WR

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.11

For

White, James NEP RB

Adams, Davante GBP WR

That is an absolute steal for Adams...you gotta get way more than that...Mims and Shenault are quality prospects but I would be totally surprised if either comes close to being a #1 and while 1st round picks are always great assets to obtain this isn't even a high one so you are not in the stud zone...this deal make no sense at all to me, it's a ugly one. 

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38 minutes ago, Helaire-ious said:

PPR

Team A gave Ridley & Burrow

Team B gave Cousins, James Robinson & G. Davis.

Team A really had nothing at RB & is loaded at WR. Other QB of note on that roster is Hurts.

 

 

Ridley/Burrow side handily. Like Andy said, this one should happen after the draft. If the Jags spend big draft or FA capital on a RB, the return on Ridley/Burrow looks like scraps

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18 minutes ago, Boston said:

That is an absolute steal for Adams...you gotta get way more than that...Mims and Shenault are quality prospects but I would be totally surprised if either comes close to being a #1 and while 1st round picks are always great assets to obtain this isn't even a high one so you are not in the stud zone...this deal make no sense at all to me, it's a ugly one. 

I can see it if one is high on Mims or Shenault, but I would not have done that if I owned Adams as I am not high on them

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47 minutes ago, Helaire-ious said:

I can see it if one is high on Mims or Shenault, but I would not have done that if I owned Adams as I am not high on them

Even if you are as high on them as possible you don’t need to give up last year’s #1 WR to obtain them.

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6 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

Hooper and a couple likely cuts. Looking at his team TE was the one weakness and now it is a strength.

Solid deal...you nail down a position of weakness (where the options are limited) and you get a decent pick this year where you should be in a spot to get someone that will have value similar to Shenault’s...I see what the other guy is thinking as well but would like his side more if the #1 was this year.

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17 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

I still think he overpaid. I had Andrews on a roster last year for about 6 weeks. Was glad to be rid of him.

I had Andrews on a few rosters in 2019 and went to Disneyland for the 1st time in my life because of him. Long way of saying I was disappointed in 2020 as well. I think it had more to do with Lamar taking a step back but I think there is plenty of reason to expect better than 2020 production in the future. I bought him last year for probably a similar price as this but ended up benching him through the playoffs, so yeah he has some warts.

ETA looks like I did Mixon and Ebron for Andrews and Gaskin. Worked out I suppose.

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On 3/5/2021 at 6:07 AM, Denver724 said:

Standard 12 team PPR. Not a Superflex or TE Premium. 1 RB start.

Curtis Samuel and 2021 4.10

For

Sam Darnold, 2021 1.12 and 3.12 

Holy crap. I got Samuel for Tonyan (who I claimed off waivers) & folks thought I overpaid. 
 

1.12?! :shock:

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1 hour ago, barackdhouse said:

I had Andrews on a few rosters in 2019 and went to Disneyland for the 1st time in my life because of him. Long way of saying I was disappointed in 2020 as well. I think it had more to do with Lamar taking a step back but I think there is plenty of reason to expect better than 2020 production in the future. I bought him last year for probably a similar price as this but ended up benching him through the playoffs, so yeah he has some warts.

I like the player, I hate the situation. It’s going to be difficult to trust any offensive skill player with LJax playing wildca-er, QB. 

I didn’t see much improvement as a passer (even a little regression) and I think that’s going to impact the consistency & upside of all Ravens receivers. 

If the Ravens commit to his development as a passer I’ll change my mind about their receivers, but they don’t really seem interested in that. 

 

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24 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I like the player, I hate the situation. It’s going to be difficult to trust any offensive skill player with LJax playing wildca-er, QB. 

I didn’t see much improvement as a passer (even a little regression) and I think that’s going to impact the consistency & upside of all Ravens receivers. 

If the Ravens commit to his development as a passer I’ll change my mind about their receivers, but they don’t really seem interested in that. 

 

Yeah I see that but TE is a different animal in fantasy than WR. Andrews is among the top options in fantasy whereas yes I wouldn't touch a Ravens WR in fantasy. He will always have high weekly upside in that offense but less of a floor than Waller and Kittle but arguably not by a lot. 

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1 minute ago, barackdhouse said:

Yeah I see that but TE is a different animal in fantasy than WR. Andrews is among the top options in fantasy whereas yes I wouldn't touch a Ravens WR in fantasy. He will always have high weekly upside in that offense but less of a floor than Waller and Kittle but arguably not by a lot. 

"Among" just means he's one of the smarter kids on the short bus. 

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3 hours ago, kittenmittens said:

Trade in 12 team SFTEP

Bryan Edwards and a 2022 3rd

for

2.04

Figure that 2.04 is going to be at worst Chuba/Brevin/Dyami/Tylan with a chance to be better. 

Excellent cash out price for Bryan Edwards. That’s where he was getting picked last year and he did zilch

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3 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

Yeah I see that but TE is a different animal in fantasy than WR. Andrews is among the top options in fantasy whereas yes I wouldn't touch a Ravens WR in fantasy. He will always have high weekly upside in that offense but less of a floor than Waller and Kittle but arguably not by a lot. 

Dude vanished for weeks at a time. His floor is just so much lower than the “safety net” TEs since his QB doesn’t really function like other QBs.

When most QBs feel enough pressure to need the safety net they dump off to a TE or a RB. 

When LJax fees pressure he takes off running. It changes Andrews value immensely, and for the worse.

If I owned him I would hope I could find someone optimistic like you to dump him off on while the jury’s still out. I’m completely not sold on his viability as an elite TE in that offense. Some boom games, sure, but extreme volatility.  I don’t think he’s worth what the market thinks he’s worth, so he’s an easy sell for me. I don’t see him as “one of the top options” at TE - I see a perception of that for a dude who’s unlikely to deliver. 

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30 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Dude vanished for weeks at a time. His floor is just so much lower than the “safety net” TEs since his QB doesn’t really function like other QBs.

When most QBs feel enough pressure to need the safety net they dump off to a TE or a RB. 

When LJax fees pressure he takes off running. It changes Andrews value immensely, and for the worse.

If I owned him I would hope I could find someone optimistic like you to dump him off on while the jury’s still out. I’m completely not sold on his viability as an elite TE in that offense. Some boom games, sure, but extreme volatility.  I don’t think he’s worth what the market thinks he’s worth, so he’s an easy sell for me. I don’t see him as “one of the top options” at TE - I see a perception of that for a dude who’s unlikely to deliver. 

I don't really disagree - I'm not trying to target him because of that volatility. But I still think he is above the rest of the pack after the top 3. Last year was down 2019 was league winning. He had 5 games where he disappeared this year he had 8 where he was worth it. The volatility is not unheard of for TEs. We'd all rather have Kelce or Waller and probably everyone would take Kittle as well. I think he is still solidly #4 though. There are probably 3 or 4 that could usurp him there but again just imagine if 2021 is better than 2020. Not a whole lot of reason to think it wouldn't be. 

Disappearing games in 2020 - 4.4, 6.7, 5.1, 7.7, 6.7 ok yeah that is bad ~6 PPG but not unheard of for TEs
Good games in 2020 - 25.3, 22.2, 20.6, 16.6, 23.1, 15.3, 20.1, 16.6 that is 20 PPG so yeah super volatile but I'm not seeing many examples of guys having similar production without similar floor games. Hockenson is the only one I could find. And again if 2021 is even a little bit closer to 2019......

My biggest hesitation with Andrews is that the Ravens might actually finally find a real WR soon. Part of Andrews appeal is that he is the clear #1 passing target. That could change or be seriously undermined if they finally find someone.

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2 hours ago, foxco said:

12 team PPR 1 QB

Gave

Wentz, Curtis Samuel, Jonnu Smith

Got

Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love, Devante Parker

 

Wentz was my only starting QB, embarrassing really.

Interesting trade. Win now. Rodgers. If not win now I would rather have the Wentz side. I have a feeling that Rodgers isn't going to be playing for much longer. And not sure Love is the answer long-term. 

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3 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

My biggest hesitation with Andrews is that the Ravens might actually finally find a real WR soon. Part of Andrews appeal is that he is the clear #1 passing target. That could change or be seriously undermined if they finally find someone.

That’s a valid concern. And Marquis Brown seemed to be coming on a bit towards the last 1/4 of the season. 

adding a JuJu would be potentially devastating since he’ll take a lot of short and intermediate attention. 

A great fit for the Ravens, but I agree bad for Andrew. There are only so many receptions in Baltimore to go around. 

I also concede that the Baltimore offense could develop. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that LJax takes that next step & becomes a better passer. That would change everything. 

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5 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Dude vanished for weeks at a time. His floor is just so much lower than the “safety net” TEs since his QB doesn’t really function like other QBs.

When most QBs feel enough pressure to need the safety net they dump off to a TE or a RB. 

When LJax fees pressure he takes off running. It changes Andrews value immensely, and for the worse.

If I owned him I would hope I could find someone optimistic like you to dump him off on while the jury’s still out. I’m completely not sold on his viability as an elite TE in that offense. Some boom games, sure, but extreme volatility.  I don’t think he’s worth what the market thinks he’s worth, so he’s an easy sell for me. I don’t see him as “one of the top options” at TE - I see a perception of that for a dude who’s unlikely to deliver. 

Just curious what other TEs have a better floor?

Outside of Kelce/Kittle/Waller it feels like every TE last year put up a ton of stinkers. I admittedly haven't looked at it closely though. 

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4 hours ago, foxco said:

12 team PPR 1 QB

Gave

Wentz, Curtis Samuel, Jonnu Smith

Got

Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love, Devante Parker

 

Wentz was my only starting QB, embarrassing really.

Seems like your roster are probably larger based on you trading for the likes of Jordan Love. I’d personally take Johnnu, Samuel and hope Wentz takes a step back to previous form. In a 1QB you couldn’t get a QB you were comfortable with for less??

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13 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

12 team ppr - QB/2RB/3WR/TE/FL
 

Mims, Denzel NYJ WR

Shenault, Laviska JAC WR

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.11

For

White, James NEP RB

Adams, Davante GBP WR

You got a hell of a deal. Looking purely at draft capital, that's 2020 2.01, 2020 2.04, and 2021 1.11 for the #1 PPR WR in 2020 despite missing two games. I don't have confidence Mims and Shenault will hit, which they need to in order to break even on a deal like this.

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2 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

FFPC regular

I gave Everett
I got MVS, 3.11, 4.03

I see what both sides are doing...Everett is intriguing because he looks the part and as a FA he could be in a spot where he might be able to finally take the leap forward, if you are weak at TE this is not a bad dice roll because you aren't giving up much...on the flipside you get a couple of picks for a back-bencher/possible cut candidate that may help you make another move or they give you the opportunity to get lucky with one of those picks. 

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5 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

Biggie that I feel really good about, even though it's a high price to pay

FFPC

I got: Lamb, 1.08

I gave up: 1.02, 2022 1st, Fant

Still have 1.05 and now 1.08

Even it if was a TE premium league I like that trade for you.

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11 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

Biggie that I feel really good about, even though it's a high price to pay

FFPC

I got: Lamb, 1.08

I gave up: 1.02, 2022 1st, Fant

Still have 1.05 and now 1.08

That's a big one and if Lamb is getting dealt it needs to be...I see what both teams are doing...I am a big Lamb guy so I would do it because that 1.8 really takes the edge off of what you had to give up...the fact you had the 1.5 already makes this deal that much easier to make...that being said I have zero issues with what the other guy did, if Fant realizes his potential he will not be unhappy with this deal as well.

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1 hour ago, barackdhouse said:

FFPC regular

I gave Everett
I got MVS, 3.11, 4.03

I still like Everett and looking forward to see were he lands but I have a league were I doubt I can free up a spot for him and right now I'd probably be lucky to get 4.3.  I'm holding on hoping FA improves his stock but that's a good exit you got right now.

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19 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

Biggie that I feel really good about, even though it's a high price to pay

FFPC

I got: Lamb, 1.08

I gave up: 1.02, 2022 1st, Fant

Still have 1.05 and now 1.08

Wow that is a blockbuster.  I think I might lean the 1.02 side because I'm not quite as high on Lamb as some, but this one seems pretty fair and just a matter of preference.

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12 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I would take Fant and the two picks myself.

2022 draft won't be that good for a RB past pick 3.  Unless it's a superflex league, because QBs look good for 2022, I'll pass if I think that pick is after 1.03 and I'm not even comfortable with that pick.  After Breece Hall who you got?  Spiller?  Harris?  K Williams?  Borghi? Charbonnet?  No thanks.  I suppose David Bell and Garrett Wilson would be nice if either declare. 

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13 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Just curious what other TEs have a better floor?

Outside of Kelce/Kittle/Waller it feels like every TE last year put up a ton of stinkers. I admittedly haven't looked at it closely though. 

It’s not purely a matter of Andrews floor, it’s his floor in the context of his value. 

If I’m going to obtain a premium quality TE (especially in a non-TE premium scoring system) it’s gonna be one of the top 3. 

As you suggest - all of the TEs after the top 3 have some inconsistency. But none of them carry Andrews price tag. 
 

i guess I’d rather just spend a lot less at TE for an upside guy like Engram than overpay for Andrews who has a higher ceiling, but similar number of duds. 

And I will again concede that I base this off of my evaluation of LJax, which could be off. If you think Lamar Jackson will take several steps forward as a passer, my analysis goes out the window & Andrews could even be considered a buy-low. Of course for that to happen, Baltimore’s defense would have to take a step backwards too, as run-first defensive teams typically pass less. 

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