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1 hour ago, Spike said:

Zealots Field PPR

Traded:

2.05/3.05

Received:

2022 1st

He has the 5th slot in each round this year and had the 4th slot in each round last year, so I feel pretty good that the 2022 will be 1.08 or better, maybe much better.  The 2.05 and 3.05 are his first 2 picks this year.  His only 2 RBs are Barkley and Akers; his only 2 good WRs are AJ Brown and Golliday.

I didn't think I really needed the picks I traded as I have the 1.04 and 1.07 picks.

1st, no brainer imo.

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2 minutes ago, menobrown said:

As he should be

Yeah he is the reason behind the deal and I've been buying low everywhere but he hasn't emerged just yet. The Sanders signing did give me pause. He is a solid vet and they didn't bring him in to play ST. In most of these deals I am paying similar prices on teams that need young WRs with upside. But he hasn't hit yet. 

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15 hours ago, menobrown said:

I think he'll be the 4th best WR on his own team next year. 

That seems like worst case to me. I see him as the unquestioned #2 (at the moment) but that it is probably pretty watered down by Sanders and Beasley with Diggs not being anything like 1a but rather just 1. Davis ceiling is a 2 with Sanders/Beasley being 3a/3b. 

I do agree he shouldn't be that expensive though. Tiebreaker for me goes to the 2nd year WR = FF cheat code principle and also the notion that Buffalo seems to want to throw the ball a ton. 

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3 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

That seems like worst case to me. I see him as the unquestioned #2 (at the moment) but that it is probably pretty watered down by Sanders and Beasley with Diggs not being anything like 1a but rather just 1. Davis ceiling is a 2 with Sanders/Beasley being 3a/3b. 

 

I for sure think Beasley owns the slot and Sanders is still better, at least on GM even called Sanders the best signing of the FA period. Don't think they threw $6M at Sanders in a watered down FA period to be the #4.

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4 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I for sure think Beasley owns the slot and Sanders is still better, at least on GM even called Sanders the best signing of the FA period. Don't think they threw $6M at Sanders in a watered down FA period to be the #4.

Well they're all going to be on the field at the same time a lot and Sanders makes them better. I had been hoping for a possible 1a1b situation with Diggs until Sanders came into the picture. I have bumped Davis down a bit. 

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12 hours ago, roarlions said:

12 team PPR league

Gave Rodgers and Michael Thomas

Got Stafford, 2021 rookie picks 6 and 15

Would much rather have Rodgers and Thomas.

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14 hours ago, menobrown said:

As he should be, I don't get the Gabriel Davis love around here and I actually own him in a league.. He's young and showed some stuff at times but I think he'll be the 4th best WR on his own team next year. Basically like a Michael Gallup, only a little more buried and not a year away from unpiling.

Who are the 2 WR’s they are drafting next month?

Kidding aside, they may be short-term blocks to playing time but Sanders will be 35 and Beasley will be 33 next season.

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3 minutes ago, Buckna said:

Who are the 2 WR’s they are drafting next month?

Kidding aside, they may be short-term blocks to playing time but Sanders will be 35 and Beasley will be 33 next season.

Yes they are short term blocks but they are blocks and I did not see enough from Davis to make think he's worth holding if someone is giving me a solid second.

I brought up Gallup earlier and will again. Similar players to me, both in roster/target crunch with hopes of eventually clearing out more of a role. I like Gallup more, he's shown more, I'd break my computer accepting a first round pick for Gallup right now. I just don't think Davis should be valued as anything more then a late second, and with tight rosters that's more then I'd pay now.

But one of the reasons why I like this thread is I'm now trying to shop Davis on a team I consider him my WR6, I legit had no idea people were that high on him.

 

 

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On that particular squad G Davis is now my WR5 (assuming Fuller doesn't do much in Miami which I could be wrong about). Purely depth speculative play on my part and looking to promote him if he does well and if I find a buyer for Julio or Evans this year (my WR3 and WR4).

In SF most weeks I will only be starting 3 WRs at most. With Gibson, Zeke and a high draft pick that I hope hits at RB, along with Fournette, even in weeks where I don't have a 2nd QB to start in the superflex spot, I would still probably roll with either RB3, WR3 or the lesser of Evans/Julio before trotting Davis out there.

But I'd rather he hits on my roster than someone else's when my guys are getting older. Cheap 2nd year WRs that flashed their rookie season should be targets for everyone. If you can get them. I'm with Zyphros in that I wouldn't accept less than a 1st. It isn't going to happen but I'm under no obligation to sell. Dude was *teaching* the veterans in preseason last year when he was a fresh rookie during COVID. Then he flashed and won the #2 role. What *isn't* to love? Well the target share apparently. And that is real but Buffalo plans to use him and all of them a lot I should think. Being the 3a/3b (Beasley/Sanders) isn't like the distant #4 that it might be on other offenses. But the 2 isn't so hot either.

Anyway I'm not really hoping for a lot but at these prices I can't say no.

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3 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I brought up Gallup earlier and will again.

I legit had no idea people were that high on him.

Yeah I was thinking about your Dallas comp and I think it is the closest. But I would definitely consider Amari and Lamb to be the 1a1b with Gallup more of a distant 3rd, but in a high powered offense. I really think Diggs is more of a pure alpha in Buffalo in terms of the share.

But so far what I've seen is people either don't care about Davis whatsoever or they love him. If you don't want him yeah you should definitely shop him. I have absolutely been shut down by owners in other leagues whereas I've also bought him for peanuts.

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4 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

Yeah I was thinking about your Dallas comp and I think it is the closest. But I would definitely consider Amari and Lamb to be the 1a1b with Gallup more of a distant 3rd, but in a high powered offense.

 

Yeah I don't see it that way, Gallup got 4 less targets then Lamb and were in Dallas you have 2 WR's to contend with I think  Davis has to contend with 3. Injuries will likely determine this but I would feel good right now predicting Gallup has a bigger role then Davis next year.

 

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7 minutes ago, menobrown said:

Yeah I don't see it that way, Gallup got 4 less targets then Lamb and were in Dallas you have 2 WR's to contend with I think  Davis has to contend with 3. Injuries will likely determine this but I would feel good right now predicting Gallup has a bigger role then Davis next year.

Yeah I can see it. I disagree a little but I can see it. Even if I turned out to be right (without injuries) I can't imagine it being by much. It is a very close comp really. But I think Lamb should be expected to carve a bigger share than what he had last year and that it would come more at Gallups expense than Coopers. Davis should also be expected to carve a bigger role than what he had as rookie but I do agree he has more to contend with than Gallup. Beasley and Sanders will both be relevant on the field. 

So who are the guys I didn't know there was a market for that I should be trying to sell?

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40 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

 

So who are the guys I didn't know there was a market for that I should be trying to sell?

Bowden, lol.

For me most of the time I see players the market values more then me I don't own the player, which makes sense. It's a bit more rare to have a player I actually own that the market is considerably higher on then me and those are the situations that usually get my attention.

I distinctly recall this thread helping me a few years ago when I owned Tyrell Williams coming off his solid 2016 season. I was not that high on him but felt obligated to keep him and then saw trades and discussion for him here and ended up turning him into a future first and I would never have made that offer without this thread because I did not know he held that kind of value. This thread can offer real benefit at times in seeing market prices for players, some higher or lower then you might have them. Easily to me the most useful thread on this forum.

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10 team, ppr, 2QB.

Team A received: Watson

Team B received: Dimes, 2.01, 22 1st (mid or late), 22 3rd

I'm team A, in a total rebuild, dimes was my only starting qb. I still have 1.06, 2.02, 2.05, 2.07, 2.08. and still have four 22 firsts and three 23 firsts left to keep working on my rebuild. felt i could gamble on watson's career though admittedly there's a chance i just bought a dead asset.

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1 hour ago, iamkoza said:

10 team, ppr, 2QB.

Team A received: Watson

Team B received: Dimes, 2.01, 22 1st (mid or late), 22 3rd

I'm team A, in a total rebuild, dimes was my only starting qb. I still have 1.06, 2.02, 2.05, 2.07, 2.08. and still have four 22 firsts and three 23 firsts left to keep working on my rebuild. felt i could gamble on watson's career though admittedly there's a chance i just bought a dead asset.

Worth the gamble imo. Jones sucks, there’s a chance he’s not even a starting QB in the league next year. 

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11 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

FFPC

Justin Herbert

For

Deshaun Watson and Will Fuller

I'll take Herbert.

I'd take Herbert over Watson even before the latest ridiculousness. Not sure what to expect of Fuller in Miami.

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6 hours ago, iamkoza said:

10 team, ppr, 2QB.

Team A received: Watson

Team B received: Dimes, 2.01, 22 1st (mid or late), 22 3rd

I'm team A, in a total rebuild, dimes was my only starting qb. I still have 1.06, 2.02, 2.05, 2.07, 2.08. and still have four 22 firsts and three 23 firsts left to keep working on my rebuild. felt i could gamble on watson's career though admittedly there's a chance i just bought a dead asset.

Hmmm. Not much of a discount on Watson

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5 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

In 2QB? That’s a heck of a discount. 

At a glance you paid in the range of three late firsts for Watson. For reference a poster five minutes ago traded his Watson for one late first. 

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12 minutes ago, Edgar said:

At a glance you paid in the range of three late firsts for Watson. For reference a poster five minutes ago traded his Watson for one late first. 

Yeah and we have no idea what the format of that league is. We know for sure the trade about is 2QB, where a player like Watson is easily worth more than a Daniel Jones who’s days as a starter may be numbered, the 2.01 and a 22’ 1st that could be anywhere. Even with what’s riding over Watsons head at the moment, I’d gladly pay that. 

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12 hours ago, ghostguy123 said:

FFPC

Justin Herbert

For

Deshaun Watson and Will Fuller

What would be the upside for the person trading Herbert? A QB with equal output and an often injured receiver heading to a downgrade at QB? Hard to comprehend this one as you have minimal upside and nearly all the risk.

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22 hours ago, Spike said:

Would much rather have Rodgers and Thomas.

I shopped Thomas for quite a while late last season and through this off-season. I really need help at RB but no one was willing to make a deal that would have given me a good young RB for Thomas. I might have been able to trade him straight up for a slightly earlier 2021 1st round pick, but the owner eventually decided he preferred the pick over Thomas. No one else who had an earlier pick was interested in trading it for Thomas. I debated about keeping Thomas but my team hasn't done all that well with him on it and I was worried that with his age and the QB situation in New Orleans that Thomas may have already hit peak value and I didn't want to risk seeing his value fall while my team continues to either just miss or barely make the playoffs.

I still have Wilson at QB so losing Rodgers didn't matter much to me and I don't see much difference in value between Rodgers and Stafford.

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On 3/21/2021 at 6:07 PM, barackdhouse said:

Well they're all going to be on the field at the same time a lot and Sanders makes them better. I had been hoping for a possible 1a1b situation with Diggs until Sanders came into the picture. I have bumped Davis down a bit. 

You actually had Davis as a dual #1 with Diggs?  After last year I couldn't imagine anyone being close to Diggs in that offense.  He is the clear #1 and whoever is next is a distanced #2 behind.  

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2 minutes ago, Gally said:

You actually had Davis as a dual #1 with Diggs?  After last year I couldn't imagine anyone being close to Diggs in that offense.  He is the clear #1 and whoever is next is a distanced #2 behind.  

No. See what I said, and what you highlighted, was that I *had been hoping*, not that I *had* him there. Pretty big difference really. I also mentioned 3 or 4 times that Diggs is the true #1. I've been paying 3rds and 4ths for Davis. Speculative buys. 

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50 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

FFPC

Tylan Wallace and Elijah Moore

For

Chase Edmonds

I'm assuming this was after a startup because otherwise there's no way to roster Wallce or Moore yet right? I like both of them as WR prospects. I like Edmonds enough that he might be serviceable especially in FFPC full PPR, I just don't see the ceiling with him. It's really easy to roster average'ish WR's in FFPC, but I feel their values will increase over time while Edmonds won't. Because of that I'd go with the WR's. 

Edmonds is just the next fringe sized RB everyone wants to be a thing, like Duke Johnson. Sorry folks, he's a backup trying to be a workhorse, it won't happen. 

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2 hours ago, roarlions said:

I shopped Thomas for quite a while late last season and through this off-season. I really need help at RB but no one was willing to make a deal that would have given me a good young RB for Thomas. I might have been able to trade him straight up for a slightly earlier 2021 1st round pick, but the owner eventually decided he preferred the pick over Thomas. No one else who had an earlier pick was interested in trading it for Thomas. I debated about keeping Thomas but my team hasn't done all that well with him on it and I was worried that with his age and the QB situation in New Orleans that Thomas may have already hit peak value and I didn't want to risk seeing his value fall while my team continues to either just miss or barely make the playoffs.

I still have Wilson at QB so losing Rodgers didn't matter much to me and I don't see much difference in value between Rodgers and Stafford.

Thomas is a guy that I see a disconnect in discussions vs in leagues. No one wants to be left holding the bag if last year was not an aberration unless they can get him at a decent discount. In one of my leagues his owner wanted the 1.05 + Pittman which is too much IMO.

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On 3/19/2021 at 6:13 AM, Andy Dufresne said:

Non-ppr Zealots IDP

Gave: 1.12 & 2021 1st

Got: 1.07

I may have overthought this one but I wasn't digging what will likely be at 1.12. I think any player in the top seven is worth next year's first, even if that pick ends up high. Plus, getting to use the extra player for one more year counts for something. I offered him this year's 1.12 & 2.1 as well (he didn't have a 2nd rounder) but he took the above deal.

Really, I just wanted to control the middle of this first round. Now I have picks 1, 4, 6, 7, 8, and 13. I know I'll get one of the top RBs, probably two of the top WRs, Lawrence, and then decide if I want a third WR or Pitts. 

I guess I pushed a lot of chips in on this class.

You are a big believer in this draft.  I think that could be a high price but if you are playoff team and it is bottom half then it isn't too bad.  I'm not sure I make the move but I don't like the 22 class as much as this so I don't have a problem with it at all.

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4 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

You are a big believer in this draft.  I think that could be a high price but if you are playoff team and it is bottom half then it isn't too bad.  I'm not sure I make the move but I don't like the 22 class as much as this so I don't have a problem with it at all.

I'm a big believer in what I think are the top eight comprising a core of a team for the next five years.

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9 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

I'm a big believer in what I think are the top eight comprising a core of a team for the next five years.

I don't think your thinking is wrong at all but some will bust and with that many picks you are for sure to get some down with the up.  I just don't like having that much skin in one draft.  I think your thought process is solid just wouldn't be my choice with your existing picks.  I agree with the top 8.  I have 5 and 8 this year and looking forward to whoever I get there.

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17 minutes ago, hunter1 said:

Two separate @FFPC dyno trades in different leagues just now, within minutes of each other:

2021 2.02 for Mike Davis

2021 4.03 for Mike Davis

Sweet spot somewhere in the middle, I'm guessing?

I think the 4th is more realistic but thanks for reminder I still got Mike Davis on a roster and need to see what I can get. If I got the middle I'll be awfully happy.

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6 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I think the 4th is more realistic but thanks for reminder I still got Mike Davis on a roster and need to see what I can get. If I got the middle I'll be awfully happy.

Damn, I was hoping it was the league we're in together.  I would've made your day!

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Just now, hunter1 said:

Damn, I was hoping it was the league we're in together.  I would've made your day!

I wish, I kid you not I've already been rejected by 3 teams in that league since I typed that response to you a few minutes ago. At least they let me know quick.

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