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Kelce is 31 years old. Whats Kittle, 25? As someone who made big moves for AJ Green and Jamaal Charles in the twilights of their career right before the wheels fell off, this is not a deal I would even come close to considering unless I was getting Kelce plus the pick. Only way is if you are going all in on 2021.
Not picking a side on the trade but Kittle is sneaky old, he is 27 now and will be 28 in Oct.
If you want to talk age, Kelce is 31 and will be 32 in October. So he's not sneaky old, he's old. I would much prefer Kittle to Kelce in dynasty.
Sure but we all know Kelce isn't young, I think people have this perception that Kittle is young, he guessed he was 25. TE's do tend to mature late so you definitely get a longer runway with Kittle, but if I thought I could win a championship now I would have no problem with someone ranking Kelce over Kittle. It is probably situational on who you want on your dynasty team and what your window to win is.
I'll take the guy tied to Mahomes for the next 3 years. Choosing between Kittle and Kelce is a nice problem to have, though.
And even if you’re going “all in” you can do that with the second best TE in the league.
I agree. Isn't Kittle and Kelce in the same tier? When you factor in age, I can see Kittle being the more attractive dynasty asset long term.
He's missed games and missed time in games that he's played. He doesn't score TDs, his production has fallen off steadily from his peak in 2018, he's likely been supplanted as the best receiving option by a combination of Aiyuk and Deebo, and he's about to be given a rookie QB.
This is not a superflex league, and trade markets in small leagues are extremely illiquid. It's one of the reasons I prefer a minimum of 24 teams in my leagues. 32-team, 2 copies of each player is the sweet spot.
I have no argument against that. Also, I think Pitts will be atop the tier in very short order, perhaps 1 year. Kelce is older and Waller is getting there. I agree with you about what Kittle is facing going forward.
I have Kittle and Kelce in the same tier with the clear nod to Kittle. They're both a part of the old guard, but in October Kelce turns 32 and Kittle turns 28. Four years is a significant difference. And yes Kelce just had his career year, but even then the difference between him and Kittle was 13.0 yards per game, despite Kittle being in and out of the lineup on game day. The Chiefs offense should score lots of TD's, but those are hard to bank on. Gimme the 28 year old within spitting distance of the 32 year old whose cliff is closer than it appears.
I said "might". No way we know yet. I could see Chase or Etienne being better than Swift as I don't trust the Lions backfield personally. I agree that at this time both WRs are more valuable than that 22 1st but what if that ends up being #1 or hit huge like Justin Jefferson next year. They aren't more valuable right now but there is a world that isn't too crazy where they "could" be the 3 most valuable pieces in that trade.
This is almost 180 opposite of what I've been reading and hearing about for every position you mentioned.
I think you are nuts thinking he is TE 3 or 4. He is better than any TE out there not named Kelce. I had both and traded Kittle this offseason (even as a 49ers fan) because I have a win now window so went with the guy with Mahomes with no injuries. Plus, due to youth, Kittle was worth more on the market. When Kittle played last year he was still the best option they had. Aiyuk and Deebo isn't changing that.
Besides, Breece Hall, I guess if you're high on the likes of Spiller (overrated), Zamir White, Teague, Harris (I like him somewhat), Brian Robinson, Jerion Ealy, Ty Chandler, and Ibrahim at RB, then go for it. As for WRs, besides Bell and Burks, you have Olave, who I don't think is elite, Pickens (post ACL), Garrett Wilson, John Metchie, don't seem overly strong to me. I do like the QBs however.
If I were doing a startup today, I would rank them Kelce, Waller, Pitts, Kittle.
Yes I'm high on Spiller and I know Louis Riddick considers him not only the #1RB in next years class but he said he'd be his #1RB in this years class. And I don't know how was calling out Javonte Williams this time last year or even that wildly high on Najee. We'll have plenty rise up.
I suppose we think differently. No way I would take any TE over Pitts in a dynasty startup draft and you can get Pitts after all 3 of them most of the time.
I know nothing about IDP, but McCaffrey >>>> Henry and Ridley >> Moore pretty easily for me. I can’t imagine the other pieces are so valuable as to offset those two downgrades.
Precisely. Was a pretty easy move once he backed off draft picks and Claypool and asked for Moore instead. Jackson was droppable and biggest surprise ask to include and Bourne is meh to me. It was mostly if I believe in my 1.15 and answer is there should be no player left by that point to make me regret this deal otherwise (Michael Mayer? A 2024 RB or QB or WR guess?)
Wow. I find that a bit nuts personally. Never seen this guy play and have no idea where he will even be. I understand how great he "should" be but we know what we get with those other guys. I like him though and will be rush drafting him at 5 if he is still there when I pick even though I have Kelce. I just don't see ranking a rookie that high.
I hate NE RBs but this isn't a bad move for RB depth. Higbee could be much better with Everett gone and getting Stafford but RBs are pricier and you won't miss those 2 pieces most likely.
In context of age concerns, Waller will be 29 at the start of the season.FreeBaGeL said:
Even injuries aside, and this is just a gut feeling, I know he loves football but something says to me that he could be the type of guy to call it quits out of nowhere and retire at a somewhat young age.FreeBaGeL said:
I totally agree with this. These aren't RBs or even WRs. I have no problem with them and no way I put a rookie above them. Especially as the returning champ and trying to win now.
These are always the trickiest deals for me to evaluate personally. What if you'd been offered the 1.06 and 1.09? or the 1.05 and 1.10?
I think it is hard to walk away from what I see as a top tier of 4 in this draft but that is a ton of value to move down 2 spots and Hunt. I would have jumped at that too.
We need to know what your QB situation is to evaluate this trade. I like it if you have two or more solid QB. Not so much if you have Lock and Teddy.
Ah, so who are your big four in 1QB then, just out of curiosity? That's what I was asking you before I edited it.
