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6 minutes ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

Not involved, 12 Team PPR, Superflex

Team gave AJ Dillon, 2022 1st, should be late

Team gave Joe Mixon

Team getting Mixon is in win now mode and Mixon is his RB3.

I’ve been wanting to find a better RB3 than David Johnson for my SF team that I feel is a contender, especially if I can buy solid depth.  Mixon is one I’ve thought of targeting but I already have Burrow and now J Chase.  If it’s just a late first and early 2nd value, I might have to be okay with such reliance on the Bengals offense

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On 5/29/2021 at 2:35 PM, PantherThunder said:

14 Team SF rookie draft

Gave up Fitzgerald, 1.05(would have been Pitts)

Got         1.04(Harris) 

Shoulda/Coulda/Woulda gotten a little bag of chips coming back

Like Larry Fitzgerald? Why would anyone take that deal. You must mean Fitzpatrick. 

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On 5/29/2021 at 2:16 PM, Shawnky said:

This just went down.  Not involved.  12 team ppr. 
 

Team A gives Javonte Williams, Shenault, Darnell Mooney

Team B gives D’andre Swift and 2022 4th rd rookie. 
 

I personally like Williams/Shenault by quite a bit. 

I agree with you. 

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On 5/29/2021 at 6:08 PM, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

Not involved, 12 Team PPR, Superflex

Team gave AJ Dillon, 2022 1st, should be late

Team gave Joe Mixon

Team getting Mixon is in win now mode and Mixon is his RB3.

That's way too light for Mixon, IMO. Dillon is buried by roster, if not by talent. I roster him and have come to no other conclusion than that he's worth something, for sure, but he and a first rounder next year shouldn't fetch Mixon. This year's class isn't supposed to be that deep, though who knows once the season goes along.

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54 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

I agree with you. 

I don't. Give me Swift.

Reasons: Williams might not be what we think he is in the NFL. He's a tackle breaker, and you generally aren't doing that at the first and second levels of the NFL. Can he get to the third where tackle breaking becomes important?

Shenault was almost replaced by Toney and you should hear the coaches talk about him. They want speed, and they don't think Shenault really has it. Urban Meyer called him "big-bodied" or something like that, and it came across as a backhanded compliment.

Mooney is fine, but how good is he really? I know he charted well and got open deep quite a bit, but the NFL is geared to stop the deep ball unless they're playing that newfangled Cover 7 that Tim Nguyen was trying to explain to everybody the other day in the Athletic.

Swift will be a sixteen-twenty touch guy for sure in Detroit, and if he's lining up in the slot and whatnot, will be a PPR machine.

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3 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Swift will be a sixteen-twenty touch guy for sure in Detroit, and if he's lining up in the slot and whatnot, will be a PPR machine.

Until he gets hurt. Which won't take long at sixteen to twenty touches per game.

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7 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Until he gets hurt. Which won't take long at sixteen to twenty touches per game.

Huh. If you see him more as a twelve-sixteen touch guy, I won't disagree too vehemently, but I think you're on the short end of things. And if he is a twelve-sixteen touch kind of guy, then the trade does look different, I will admit.

If we agree on fifteen-sixteen touches per average, then you've got to reassess the trade again, but I'm not sure it tilts it to the Williams side alone. I don't know. I've always liked Swift. The big question was would he hold up on the field, which for him will always be a function of his size, partly how the coaches see him, partly how his body holds up.

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15 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Swift will be a sixteen-twenty touch guy for sure in Detroit

There’s no way for you to know that right now, and even if he is, how much are those touches really going to be worth on a bottom 3 offense? They have a downgrade at QB and just lost by far their best receiver. Their receiving group is laughably bad. 

 

18 minutes ago, rockaction said:

and if he's lining up in the slot and whatnot, will be a PPR machine

Sounds like some springtime coachspeak that we hear about players literally every year. I know Swift owners want to dismiss Jamaal Williams as being a positively ordinary player(and he may just be that as strictly a rusher) but he’s an above average pass catcher. He is not the guy you wanted to see Detroit go out and sign. It’s going to be a lot of him in the 4th Quarter this year when the Lions are trailing by 17 points. I like Swift. I’ve already said that on this forum multiple times. But I’m not paying what his market value is to acquire him in dynasty. 

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1 minute ago, JoeJoe88 said:

I like Swift. I’ve already said that on this forum multiple times. But I’m not paying what his market value is to acquire him in dynasty. 

Sure. I wasn't getting on you or saying you didn't like Swift. I was just laying out my reasoning for disagreeing so that people could understand why.

As for the second sentence here, perhaps you only needed to say that before. "I'm not paying what his market value is" is definitely a position where you're not as high on Swift as everybody. So, really, you kind of like him less. I was thinking market value when assessing the trade. It's probably close to even, regardless of which side one takes. I still prefer the Swift side.

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10 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Sure. I wasn't getting on you or saying you didn't like Swift. I was just laying out my reasoning for disagreeing so that people could understand why.

As for the second sentence here, perhaps you only needed to say that before. "I'm not paying what his market value is" is definitely a position where you're not as high on Swift as everybody. So, really, you kind of like him less. I was thinking market value when assessing the trade. It's probably close to even, regardless of which side one takes. I still prefer the Swift side.

For sure. I am kinda “meh” on Shenault, I’m not sure he’ll ever be a big-time difference maker in fantasy. Mooney, however, I am a fan of. Anxious to see what he can do once Fields takes over, as I do believe he is more than just a field stretcher. And I don’t expect much out of Williams this year, but I do like him quite a bit long-term. I’m a Tarheel fan so I had the pleasure of watching him in college(and high school, actually) so I pray it’s not my homer glasses blinding me a little, but I think he’s going to have a good career. I agree the trade is pretty fair, I just lean that side. I wish Swift were on a different team. 

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1 minute ago, JoeJoe88 said:

Mooney, however, I am a fan of. Anxious to see what he can do once Fields takes over, as I do believe he is more than just a field stretcher.

I was stunned when I was hoping to add Mooney last year after our rookie draft and a Chicago homer nabbed him near the end of that said draft. I had the exact same thought about Fields, and I would bet a lot of people are thinking about the potential for him and Fields deep. That you like him as more than that is interesting, but I don't know enough to comment intelligently. I am gonna pony up one of these days for Matt Harmon's Reception Perception, so I'll know better.

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4 hours ago, DropKick said:

Maybe... tough for me to value him in a 10 team, non-PPR format.

The format doesn’t matter much because it still comes down to the scarcity of the TE position. It’s a mid to upper TE1 for the 14th pick this year (~ a Michael Carter type) and another Michael Carter type prospect next year. Gimme the 2 for 1 where I get the best player + a roster spot 

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5 minutes ago, Edgar said:

The format doesn’t matter much because it still comes down to the scarcity of the TE position. It’s a mid to upper TE1 for the 14th pick this year (~ a Michael Carter type) and another Michael Carter type prospect next year. Gimme the 2 for 1 where I get the best player + a roster spot 

Scarcity at the TE position decreases with fewer teams is what I think he’s alluding to.

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1 hour ago, BigAl21 said:

Scarcity at the TE position decreases with fewer teams is what I think he’s alluding to.

I hear ya, but 10 teamers are all about studs. Everybody starts studs all over their lineups, because so few players get started in total. Benches are usually shallow too, so the wire is plentiful and roster spots are at a premium. Therefore early-mid seconds have much less value than 12 and 14 teamers. There's a good chance the player they get at #14 overall won't contribute to their starting lineup for more than a few weeks total and will burn a roster spot while they wait and see.

Tl;dr: Hockenson by a mile

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16 hours ago, Edgar said:

I hear ya, but 10 teamers are all about studs. Everybody starts studs all over their lineups, because so few players get started in total. Benches are usually shallow too, so the wire is plentiful and roster spots are at a premium. Therefore early-mid seconds have much less value than 12 and 14 teamers. There's a good chance the player they get at #14 overall won't contribute to their starting lineup for more than a few weeks total and will burn a roster spot while they wait and see.

Tl;dr: Hockenson by a mile

But I think the same can be said for TE's.  There isn't much differentiating them and you will always be able to find one you can plug in for 90% of what Hock will do as the flavor of the month.  You can find a Logan Thomas or Tonyan fairly easily each year while getting two dart throws that may turn out to be a Kamara (he was drafted in that range the year he came out) seems like it has quite a bit of value.  You won't necessarily hit the dart throws but it is possible and if you can work waivers it seems worth it.

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Recent trade for me. I was able to land Dobbins. 
 

1QB 

Dynasty PPR
 

Berserkers gave up Dobbins, J.K. BAL RB; Brown, John LVR WR

Holieway Custom Furs gave up Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.05; Year 2022 Round 2 Draft Pick from Holieway Custom Furs

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In my other dynasty Lg - 1QB, .5 PPR

I am likely 2 good/great players away from competing for a ship. My plan was to try and trade back but not so far back that I couldn’t land what I foresee as an elite talent (likely one of the Bama rookie WRs) whoever falls to me at 1.07. I also wanted to add another dart 🎯 to fire at the board next year hoping to acquire an early to mid round 2022 1st. I was able to get the trade I wanted.

Trade

Holieway Custom Furs gave up Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.03; Year 2022 Round 2 Draft Pick from Holieway Custom Furs

Back Wall Bangers gave up Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.07; Year 2022 Round 1 Draft Pick from Back Wall Bangers

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23 hours ago, JoeJoe88 said:

He is not the guy you wanted to see Detroit go out and sign. It’s going to be a lot of him in the 4th Quarter this year when the Lions are trailing by 17 points. 

Why would Jamal Williams be in over Swift in such a situation?

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33 minutes ago, oukurt said:

Recent trade for me. I was able to land Dobbins. 
 

1QB 

Dynasty PPR
 

Berserkers gave up Dobbins, J.K. BAL RB; Brown, John LVR WR

Holieway Custom Furs gave up Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.05; Year 2022 Round 2 Draft Pick from Holieway Custom Furs

Wow.  That isn't even close to enough for Dobbins.  Seems like a terrible trade for the guy getting 1.5.

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28 minutes ago, oukurt said:

In my other dynasty Lg - 1QB, .5 PPR

I am likely 2 good/great players away from competing for a ship. My plan was to try and trade back but not so far back that I couldn’t land what I foresee as an elite talent (likely one of the Bama rookie WRs) whoever falls to me at 1.07.

Trade

Holieway Custom Furs gave up Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.03; Year 2022 Round 2 Draft Pick from Holieway Custom Furs

Back Wall Bangers gave up Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.07; Year 2022 Round 1 Draft Pick from Back Wall Bangers

I'd hope that 22 1st is projected early-ish as this is probably light for 1.3 if that is a back half of the 1st round pick.  Trading back isn't a terrible idea but I'd have to get paid more than this to move it.  Especially since you are losing a 2nd next year too.

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26 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Why would Jamal Williams be in over Swift in such a situation?

Why have your dynamic, 22-year old 2nd round pick out there in meaningless situations when you have a guy in Jamaal on a relatively cheap deal that’s just as good of a pass catcher(albeit less dynamic)? 

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20 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

Why have your dynamic, 22-year old 2nd round pick out there in meaningless situations when you have a guy in Jamaal on a relatively cheap deal that’s just as good of a pass catcher(albeit less dynamic)? 

Maybe I’m not an expert, but I think teams like to try and win games.

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Just now, Dr. Octopus said:

Maybe I’m not an expert, but I think teams like to try and win games.

And how many do you think this team is going to win? Maybe I’m underestimating this Lions team. But I’m not expert either. 

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8 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

And how many do you think this team is going to win? Maybe I’m underestimating this Lions team. But I’m not expert either. 

I’m not predicting wins and losses - I’m predicting they’ll try to win. You’re predicting they’ll just give up and pull their good players when they fall behind.

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5 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

They probably go 2-15 or or 3-14.

Yeah. I just looked at their schedule, I could maybe see 5 wins as their ceiling. It’s very difficult for running backs to rise above an inefficient and trash offense and finish as an RB1. I think Swift is very talented, but this offense is going to cap him. And Jamaal is going to eat into those targets as well, further capping his PPR ceiling. 

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1 hour ago, JoeJoe88 said:

Yeah. I just looked at their schedule, I could maybe see 5 wins as their ceiling. It’s very difficult for running backs to rise above an inefficient and trash offense and finish as an RB1. I think Swift is very talented, but this offense is going to cap him. And Jamaal is going to eat into those targets as well, further capping his PPR ceiling. 

I agree.  I have been arguing that on here all off-season.  Love his talent though.  No thank you on that team with the additions they made.  They even drafted a RB.  I wouldn't pay top dollar for him in dynasty and with the crazy love he is getting, I doubt I get him on any of my redraft teams either this year.

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45 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

They even drafted a RB.

I won't touch your other points, but this guy is a smallish RB in the sixth round who ran a 4.6 at his pro day and tested terribly in other physical tests. They were clearly adding depth there. Jefferson will be lucky if he makes the squad. 

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2 hours ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

Wow.  That isn't even close to enough for Dobbins.  Seems like a terrible trade for the guy getting 1.5.

Also, I think you're right here. This seems pretty light. John Brown and the 1.5? If that's what it takes, I'm buying all over.

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36 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Also, I think you're right here. This seems pretty light. John Brown and the 1.5? If that's what it takes, I'm buying all over.

Unfortunately I don’t think this is representative of the larger picture, but rather anecdotal. He’s going for much more routinely...

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2 hours ago, BigAl21 said:

Unfortunately I don’t think this is representative of the larger picture, but rather anecdotal. He’s going for much more routinely...

Oh yeah. I tried to acquire him and was rebuffed. I made a good offer, too.

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6 hours ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

Wow.  That isn't even close to enough for Dobbins.  Seems like a terrible trade for the guy getting 1.5.

Guessing it goes to show with this I want instant returns for my rookie draft picks I am seeing in my dynasty leagues that some don’t believe Dobbins is going to be a monster going forward. 
Maybe a player you can get if you are a believer in JKD and fire out a decent offer? With Ingram departing and that impressive 6 ypc I went shopping and collected. Gladly give up the 1.05 instead of any type of gamble drafting a rookie at 1.05.  I would have paid more. 

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35 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Oh yeah. I tried to acquire him and was rebuffed. I made a good offer, too.

If it was in our league he gave up Adams in the deal to get Dobbins so I am not surprised you were denied.

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6 hours ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I'd hope that 22 1st is projected early-ish as this is probably light for 1.3 if that is a back half of the 1st round pick.  Trading back isn't a terrible idea but I'd have to get paid more than this to move it.  Especially since you are losing a 2nd next year too.

Won’t argue with that logic. If he hits a home run with 1.03 and I whiff with 1.07 it was a mistake.
Knowing this league/owner he is drafting ETN. I am not as sold on ETN and love what people are getting at 1.07 in 1 QB,non flex, non TE+, .5 PPR leagues. I also like the idea of having 2 early to mid 1st round rookie picks in 2022 where I will be using those picks to land the best RB rookie prospect or BPA(s). 

Thanks for input. 

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5 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I’m not predicting wins and losses - I’m predicting they’ll try to win. You’re predicting they’ll just give up and pull their good players when they fall behind.

I think the Lions drafting the best OL Sewell to plug in at RT for the next X years, with an established LT in Decker says a lot for what the Lions are preparing for. 
Protecting the QB and aiding a young versatile RB is a good start. Early reports on the 4th rd WR selection are very positive. I hope DET adds some WR help for Goff in the 22 draft or via FA. 

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4 hours ago, rockaction said:

I won't touch your other points, but this guy is a smallish RB in the sixth round who ran a 4.6 at his pro day and tested terribly in other physical tests. They were clearly adding depth there. Jefferson will be lucky if he makes the squad. 

I agree with what you are saying for the most part.  I'm just saying a bunch of little things adds up to big things.  Signing J-Will, drafting a guy, brand new coach, terrible line, bringing in old vets for workouts.  You are right that Jefferson doesn't hurt his value much and that allowed them to cut Kerryon.  Just another thing that adds to the pile for me.  I think Swift is fine though and has a good year.  Love his talent too.  Just don't think his upside is quite as high as a lot of people in here.

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1 hour ago, oukurt said:

Won’t argue with that logic. If he hits a home run with 1.03 and I whiff with 1.07 it was a mistake.
Knowing this league/owner he is drafting ETN. I am not as sold on ETN and love what people are getting at 1.07 in 1 QB,non flex, non TE+, .5 PPR leagues. I also like the idea of having 2 early to mid 1st round rookie picks in 2022 where I will be using those picks to land the best RB rookie prospect or BPA(s). 

Thanks for input. 

I agree with you on Etienne.  I have him ranked 5 personally.  1.07 should get you a good WR with a ton of upside.  I don't have a problem with the move at all.  Just thought you should have got more but you wouldn't want to drop any further.  I'm at 1.5 and 1.8 and not sure what I'm doing with the 2nd pick yet.

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All of these are....12tm SF PPC TE Prem

1.11 (Waddle), 22 1st, 22 2nd (both projected later)

FOR

Dalvin Cook

 

3.03 (Nico Collins)

FOR

Rashaad Penny

 

2.11 (Amon-Ra St.Brown)

FOR

Darrel Williams, 23 2nd (early-mid)

 

3.11 (Tylan Wallace)

FOR

Latavius Murray

 

4.05 (Dez Fitzpatrick)

FOR

James Washington

 

Carson Wentz, 5.11, 6.08, 6.11

FOR

Kyle Trask, 23 1st, 23 3rd (mid with early upside)

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1 hour ago, Chad Parsons said:

All of these are....12tm SF PPC TE Prem

1.11 (Waddle), 22 1st, 22 2nd (both projected later)
FOR
Dalvin Cook 

 

3.03 (Nico Collins)

FOR

Rashaad Penny

 

2.11 (Amon-Ra St.Brown)

FOR

Darrel Williams, 23 2nd (early-mid)****I might prefer the board at 2.11 over Amon Ra depending on who is there

 

3.11 (Tylan Wallace) 

FOR

Latavius Murray

 

4.05 (Dez Fitzpatrick)

FOR

James Washington

 

Carson Wentz, 5.11, 6.08, 6.11

FOR

Kyle Trask, 23 1st, 23 3rd (mid with early upside)

 

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