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gave: Juju, Corey Davis

Got: Pittman and T. Marshall

IMO Davis is a roster clogger at this point and I simply do not value juju as I once did. I think Pittman and Marshall as tremendous upside. Hoping in a year and look back on this deal and it was a winner.

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1 minute ago, BigAl21 said:

FFPC

gave: Juju, Corey Davis

Got: Pittman and T. Marshall

IMO Davis is a roster clogger at this point and I simply do not value juju as I once did. I think Pittman and Marshall as tremendous upside. Hoping in a year and look back on this deal and it was a winner.

Good deal for you if you've mentally given up on JuJu and Corey Davis. Honestly, probably better off chancing that one of Pittman and Marshall can give you a string of WR1 seasons.

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4 minutes ago, tombonneau said:

Good deal for you if you've mentally given up on JuJu and Corey Davis. Honestly, probably better off chancing that one of Pittman and Marshall can give you a string of WR1 seasons.

I realize Marshall is a longer term project and I am not expecting much in year one, but I think Pittman might become the Colts WR 1 this season whereas JuJu still has two other WRs to compete with for targets.

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1 hour ago, Ripper said:

10 team dynasty .5ppr

Team A gave D. Swift, G. Edwards

Team B gave 2022 1st, 2022 2nd, B. Snell

I'm not even high on Swift at all but this is way too light for him I think.  Especially with that 1st not being this year.  That would have to fall at 1.1 or hit a grand slam with that pick to make it worth it.

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18 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I'm not even high on Swift at all but this is way too light for him I think.  Especially with that 1st not being this year.  That would have to fall at 1.1 or hit a grand slam with that pick to make it worth it.

I think when you make that deal you're just punting from the other team's 45, if you'll pardon the analogy. You're selling earlier first-round talent for a shot at first-rounder next year? No thanks. Unless the guy is really down on Swift, I don't like that deal.

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21 minutes ago, rockaction said:

I think when you make that deal you're just punting from the other team's 45, if you'll pardon the analogy. You're selling earlier first-round talent for a shot at first-rounder next year? No thanks. Unless the guy is really down on Swift, I don't like that deal.

I totally agree with this analogy and I'm not game with that either.

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1 minute ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

12 team, 1 QB, .5 PPR, no TE prem:

Gave:

Sam Darnold

Got:

Noah Fant

I have Kelce and Irv Smith at TE but I love me some Noah Fant so couldn't turn this down.

What the.... That is not close in start 1 QB league.  

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2 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

12 team, 1 QB, .5 PPR, no TE prem:

Gave:

Sam Darnold

Got:

Noah Fant

I have Kelce and Irv Smith at TE but I love me some Noah Fant so couldn't turn this down.

This is pretty much a free Fant. Good work. I have no idea why anybody would click "accept" to this offer, save for completely, large and QB-depleted rosters, but kudos to you! That's not snark, I just can't see it.

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Just now, rockaction said:

This is pretty much a free Fant. Good work. I have no idea why anybody would click accept to this offer, but kudos to you! That's not snark, I just can't see it.

I completely agree with this.  Fant has a lot of potential.  Darnold is on the waiver wire in most of my leagues.

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30 minutes ago, rockaction said:

This is pretty much a free Fant. Good work. I have no idea why anybody would click "accept" to this offer, save for completely, large and QB-depleted rosters, but kudos to you! That's not snark, I just can't see it.

Our league for some reason has absolutely no QBs on waivers.  I don't get it in a 1 QB.  We have big benches but still.  It was an owner that knows for a fact they are getting Pitts and the only QB on their roster that is a starter is Lamar.  They basically viewed it as a backup TE for a backup QB.  I expected to include a pick too but straight up was the call and I was on it.

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1 minute ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

Our league for some reason has absolutely no QBs on waivers.  I don't get it in a 1 QB.  We have big benches but still.  It was an owner that knows for a fact they are getting Pitts and the only QB on their roster that is a starter is Lamar.  They basically viewed it as a backup TE for a backup QB.  I expected to include a pick too but straight up was the call and I was on it.

There's always an exception, always a need, I guess. Perhaps he was too worried about losing out on Darnold to ask for at least a second or third back? That's at least his value in 1 QB. I just can't see it. But again, kudos! Swindle.

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On 6/16/2021 at 6:01 AM, Boston said:

I like what you did here...Henderson has value but he has Akers in front of him so I would take the 2nd round cash out without hesitation...I think giving up Carson who will be 27 in September is well worth it to move up and get a potential stud in Chase...great job with these deals!

In general I would sell any handcuff for a 2nd and not pay more than a 3rd for one, unless they’re the heir apparent to a guy on the way out (and I believe in the talent). Obviously roster situational exceptions apply (you’re a contender with no depth besides the handcuff behind your starters etc) but this is a good get IMO.

 

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3 hours ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

12 team, 1 QB, .5 PPR, no TE prem:

Gave:

Sam Darnold

Got:

Noah Fant

I have Kelce and Irv Smith at TE but I love me some Noah Fant so couldn't turn this down.

Yeesh I just assumed this was SF and was still going to say I'd prefer Fant.

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3 hours ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

12 team, 1 QB, .5 PPR, no TE prem:

Gave:

Sam Darnold

Got:

Noah Fant

I have Kelce and Irv Smith at TE but I love me some Noah Fant so couldn't turn this down.

WTF?

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9 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Yeesh I just assumed this was SF and was still going to say I'd prefer Fant.

I just checked and Darnold is a free agent in my 12 team, 1 QB PPR league. Crazy.

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10 hours ago, Gottabesweet said:

12 Team PPR league. 
 

1.7, 2.2, 4.2 for 1.4

1.4 was Pitts 

1.7 was Javonte Williams

2.2 hasn’t happened yet.  

2.2 ended up being St. Brown OR Terrance Marshall they had back to back picks.  

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11 hours ago, Gottabesweet said:

12 Team PPR league. 
 

1.7, 2.2, 4.2 for 1.4

1.4 was Pitts 

1.7 was Javonte Williams

2.2 hasn’t happened yet.  

IMO this is a draft-board trade...if you have 4 studs on your board it's a great deal for the 1.4...if there are 7 guys you really like than I see what the other guy is doing although I would have liked something with a little more meat than the 4.2 as the other piece...this year (for me) I would rather have the 1.4.

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10 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

We don't know that Heineke is better than Darnold yet. 

I’d take Heineke or Goff over Darnold. I’m not sure Darnold makes it through the season as the starter.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I’d take Heineke or Goff over Darnold. I’m not sure Darnold makes it through the season as the starter.

I wasn't being serious. I have watched more Goff than the other two. My comment was just a backhanded insult to Goff. I know you've seen orders of magnitude more film on Darnold than I have.

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12 TM Dyno with IDP—NO PPR- balanced scoring 1.5/.75 per tackle/asst

Team A: M Thomas

Team B: F Warner

start max 4 WR

team moving Thomas owns : J Jefferson/K Allen/T Mclaurin/ J Chase/C Davis/D Mooney/B Edwards/J Palmer

must start 4 LB

DeionJones/Nick Kwiatkoski/J Davis(Wash)/Rashaan Evans current starters 

NOTE: both players are projected to score 180 points in our scoring format

which begs the question: upgrade at LB and spread out the talent or keep the depth at WR- 

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36 minutes ago, SleepyIDP said:

12 TM Dyno with IDP—NO PPR- balanced scoring 1.5/.75 per tackle/asst

Team A: M Thomas

Team B: F Warner

start max 4 WR

team moving Thomas owns : J Jefferson/K Allen/T Mclaurin/ J Chase/C Davis/D Mooney/B Edwards/J Palmer

must start 4 LB

DeionJones/Nick Kwiatkoski/J Davis(Wash)/Rashaan Evans current starters 

NOTE: both players are projected to score 180 points in our scoring format

which begs the question: upgrade at LB and spread out the talent or keep the depth at WR- 

It’s tricky to know what to expect from Thomas without Brees. 

I think Warner will be just as good, if not better in 2022.

Team Thomas Looks like they could use the LB more. 

In that scoring system either works. 

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Well, shopped Mahomes. Here’s how it ended up: 

I gave: Mahomes, Ertz 

I got: Z.Wilson, CEH, Higgins, 2022 1st, 2023 1st. 

I know many will hate this deal. I’m fully expecting to get killed by all y’all.

Comments in the value thread were like “Mahomes is so good that to send him to another team you need to cripple that team with what you get back” - and that’s all well and good, but some of y’all may find it surprising how few teams actually want to cripple themselves by overpaying or even paying “fair value” for Mahomes. 

My team, though a combination of aging, circumstances & injury became  very thin at RB & WR. Not to the point that I was non-competitive (finished as the 4-seed, playoffs, 2nd round exit (again). For 3 years I’ve been good enough to get there, not good enough to go over the top. And then TB picked up Fournette (hurting RoJo), my WRs got older; RBs got hurt.

Then I “went for it” last year and traded some depth to get Carson, hoping for a ‘ship before the rebuild. 

I tried every team. 7/12 wanted Mahomes. Most didn't have replacement QB to deal (which I felt I needed because Carr may not be long-term & who knows what Daniel Jones will be. Some others just didn’t have the players to trade & others tried to pretend that reasonable offers “weren’t close” for them, despite several calcs swing they were even. Came close to a Burrow/Sermon/AJ Brown/2023 1st, but at the 11th hour they decided against it. 

So I took the best deal I could find, and in doing so, took a big risk on Zach Wilson, hoping he’s the next 2-way threat QB. I get CEH who I’m still relatively high on & Higgins, who I also really like.

And with the Hopkins deal I made earlier, now I have Pitts, too.

So now I have enough players to field a roster & the rebuild has begun. 

And with 3 extra picks in the next 2 drafts (2 firsts & a 2nd) if it doesn’t work out, I still have some decent core players to rebuild with & 2 extra firsts to work with. 

Sometimes the best deal is the one you can make. My only other concrete option was Goff/Deebo/Akers, and I can’t stand Goff, don’t want to root for the Rams & have injury concerns about Deebo & his style of play.

I won’t cry if y’all are mean to me for this deal. I understand many of you wouldn’t have made it. Mahomes is a consistent weekly plug & play & it’s hard to move off of such a player. But sometimes your team reaches the point where you have to diversify assets to continue to compete & I felt like this was the best I could do given what the teams in my league were offering.

I await the heckling. I’m sure it won’t be pretty. It’s ok. I have thick skin. 

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7 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Well, shopped Mahomes. Here’s how it ended up: 

I gave: Mahomes, Ertz 

I got: Z.Wilson, CEH, Higgins, 2022 1st, 2023 1st. 

 

I don't mind it at all. :shrug:

Things are worth what people will pay, not what they're priced at. Guys put QBs on the block all the time and never trade them because they don't think they're getting "what the guy's worth". Well, fella, that's why he's been on the block since February - you're not getting your asking price.

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13 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

FFPC SF not involved and two different leagues here:

Team A gave Chubb
Team B gave Cam Newton, two 2022 1sts

fair deal. Chubb is still limited by Hunt & 2 firsts is nothing to sneeze at. Newton seems irrelevant. 

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team X gave Golladay, Corey Davis, 2022 2nd
Team Y gave Winston, Irv Smith, OBJ

 

Hard to know what this is until we know what Winston is (or more importantly, isn’t) 

One of those rare occasions where I don’t really like either side of this trade, but if Winston is the man in NOS (a huge if), that’s the side that wins this trade. 

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9 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

I don't think you can make an argument that what you did is selling low. People can talk about whether he should be moved in the first place but I don't think you can say you could have got more.

Assuming this is directed towards me, no - this was the best I could do. I worked the trade desk literally all day after work. The ones who wanted Mahomes most couldn’t afford him. 

And if I could have made moves to rebuild while retaining him, I would have. Just didn’t have the depth to get that done for anything but inferior talent. 

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6 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

fair deal. Chubb is still limited by Hunt & 2 firsts is nothing to sneeze at. Newton seems irrelevant.

 

Hunt limits Chubb from being #1 overall. He doesn't limit him from being top 5. He was top 10 after missing your games last year.

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8 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Hunt limits Chubb from being #1 overall. He doesn't limit him from being top 5. He was top 10 after missing your games last year.

Correct. Wasn’t saying Hunt killed Chubb’s value, but he does cap his ceiling. 

Regardless I think Chubb for 2 firsts is a fair deal. 

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3 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Well, shopped Mahomes. Here’s how it ended up: 

I gave: Mahomes, Ertz 

I got: Z.Wilson, CEH, Higgins, 2022 1st, 2023 1st. 

I know many will hate this deal. I’m fully expecting to get killed by all y’all.

Comments in the value thread were like “Mahomes is so good that to send him to another team you need to cripple that team with what you get back” - and that’s all well and good, but some of y’all may find it surprising how few teams actually want to cripple themselves by overpaying or even paying “fair value” for Mahomes. 

My team, though a combination of aging, circumstances & injury became  very thin at RB & WR. Not to the point that I was non-competitive (finished as the 4-seed, playoffs, 2nd round exit (again). For 3 years I’ve been good enough to get there, not good enough to go over the top. And then TB picked up Fournette (hurting RoJo), my WRs got older; RBs got hurt.

Then I “went for it” last year and traded some depth to get Carson, hoping for a ‘ship before the rebuild. 

I tried every team. 7/12 wanted Mahomes. Most didn't have replacement QB to deal (which I felt I needed because Carr may not be long-term & who knows what Daniel Jones will be. Some others just didn’t have the players to trade & others tried to pretend that reasonable offers “weren’t close” for them, despite several calcs swing they were even. Came close to a Burrow/Sermon/AJ Brown/2023 1st, but at the 11th hour they decided against it. 

So I took the best deal I could find, and in doing so, took a big risk on Zach Wilson, hoping he’s the next 2-way threat QB. I get CEH who I’m still relatively high on & Higgins, who I also really like.

And with the Hopkins deal I made earlier, now I have Pitts, too.

So now I have enough players to field a roster & the rebuild has begun. 

And with 3 extra picks in the next 2 drafts (2 firsts & a 2nd) if it doesn’t work out, I still have some decent core players to rebuild with & 2 extra firsts to work with. 

Sometimes the best deal is the one you can make. My only other concrete option was Goff/Deebo/Akers, and I can’t stand Goff, don’t want to root for the Rams & have injury concerns about Deebo & his style of play.

I won’t cry if y’all are mean to me for this deal. I understand many of you wouldn’t have made it. Mahomes is a consistent weekly plug & play & it’s hard to move off of such a player. But sometimes your team reaches the point where you have to diversify assets to continue to compete & I felt like this was the best I could do given what the teams in my league were offering.

I await the heckling. I’m sure it won’t be pretty. It’s ok. I have thick skin. 

That's like four 1sts. Not bad at all.

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On 6/7/2021 at 11:29 PM, Just Win Baby said:

12 team Superflex PPR league, but QB scoring is significantly depressed. Start 1Q, 1R, 2W, 1T, 4F, 1SF, 1K, 1DST... so 96 RB/WR/TE players will start every week even if a QB starts in every Superflex spot. Startup draft begins in a couple weeks.

  • Gave up 2021 Draft Pick 1.01; 2021 Draft Pick 10.01
  • Got 2021 Draft Pick 1.02; 2021 Draft Pick 8.02

 

On 6/8/2021 at 2:43 PM, Just Win Baby said:

This is a 12 team PPR league with these starting lineup requirements: 1Q, 1R, 2W, 1T, 4F (R/W/T), 1SF (Q/R/W/T), 1K, 1DST. Since we have to start at least 8 R/W/T players x 12 teams each week, it seems very likely that the SF position will typically be a QB.

However, QB scoring is much lower than I have ever seen in any league: 0.0333 per passing yard (1/30); 2.667 per passing TD; 0.0667 per rushing yard (1/15); 4 per rushing TD.

As a point of reference, Mahomes averaged 19.315 ppg in this system last season. QB24 by ppg was Bridgewater, who averaged 13.572 ppg. So Mahomes was worth less than 6 ppg more than Bridgewater. That is less than the spread between RB12 and RB36, but it is more than the spread between WR12 and WR36 (about 3.4 ppg). Granted that is just one season, but it gives a feel.

My thought was that in this system, Mahomes offers less of an expected positional advantage than in most leagues, so I am more reluctant than I would usually be (in Superflex) to take a QB at 1.1 and have to wait for 22 more players to be drafted before drafting my second player and first potential non-QB. I expect a significant dropoff in talent to occur over that span.

 

Same league. Startup draft starts tomorrow. It is a third-round reversal draft, so I originally had 1.1, 2.12, 3.12, 4.1, and so on. Another trade:

  • Gave up 2021 Draft Pick 1.02; 2021 Draft Pick 2.12; 2021 Draft Pick 3.12
  • Got 2021 Draft Pick 1.10; 2021 Draft Pick 2.03; 2021 Draft Pick 3.03

Combining the two trades, I think I got pretty good return for moving from 1.1 to 1.10 (-9 spots):

  • Moved from 2.12 to 2.3 (+9 spots)
  • Moved from 3.12 to 3.3 (+9 spots)
  • Moved from 10.1 to 8.2 (+23 spots)

I didn't really want a QB at 1.1 or 1.2 due to the depressed QB scoring, so would have likely ended up with McCaffrey or Barkley at 1.2... so that is what I gave up, substituting RB 4-5 or WR 3-4 for McCaffrey/Barkley.

Interested in opinions on this.

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21 minutes ago, Mark Football said:

That's like four 1sts. Not bad at all.

That’s exactly what my trade partner said when I kept pressing for Metcalf instead of the other 1st+Higgins. (He was sure to note that Higgins was 2.01, which is “just like a 1st”) so technically it’s like 5.

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