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Devy fever, catch it and die.
I think I'll bet on the rookies here. Reagor in a vacuum has "more value", but I think he's going to be a guy who keeps slipping further back all summer long. I own him in a couple leagues and I think I'm stuck with him, I would definitely accept a trade such as the above.
They're all waiver wire fodder.
His entire $2M contract they signed him to this off-season is fully guaranteed.
What and when is our sample size? Just seems to me like we don't have a lot of recent data on this and not sure what happened 5-10 years is so relevant.
I’ll add that I’m not sure why sport is relevant. Durant ruptured his Achilles & a little more than a year later played 48 mins in a playoff game on hardwood.
I think Mack is fine. Taylor has massive single game potential but I think his ceiling is capped by Reich's system.
I couldn't agree more. Thus my Chubb comp, situationally speaking.
To my knowledge, the next RB to come back* from an Achilles tear during his “prime” NFL years will be the first.
I prefer the KA side regardless of whether or not the team is rebuilding/contending. He is criminally underrated year in, year out. His game is based on elite level route running and savvy, not elite physical traits, so he probably has another 3-4 years of low/mid WR1 play paired with Herbert. His contract is pretty reasonable for a #1 through 2023.
In a dynasty format Allen’s age is a liability. Dude’s 29. How much time does he have left?
Like I said, I think KA has another 3-4 years of low/mid WR1 play paired with Herbert left in him. Even if it's more like 2-3, those years will be spent in a system he has mastered with one of the best young QB's in the league. DJ on the other hand has huge question marks at QB and OL and isn't even the #1 WR on his team. He just turned 24... how long will it be until those situations work themselves out in such a way that he can command the number and quality of targets that will let him match for the first time what KA has been doing for years?
3-4 actually... and further qualified by the statement regarding his contract through 2023. So... not nearly 5.
Thanks. You laid out many of the same thoughts I had in making the deal. I do consider this team a contender, with Lamar/Herbert/Barkley/AJBrown/Metcalf as my core. Allen to me is an upgrade over Johnson for this season and next. I also like the idea of pairing Herbert and Allen in my lineup.
Point taken on Allen's age, but I'm not worried about his value or flipping him. I think he will outscore Johnson over the next two seasons.
That’s a distinct possibility. But keep in mind that Allen is not without an injury history, and older players tend to get hurt more often.
Keenan Allen has been trade kryptonite for at least 3 years already. If you own him, you've pretty much been resigned to the idea that he's going to retire from your roster. The value in acquiring him here is that, as other posters have said, he's pretty much a shoo-in to outscore Diontae for the next 2 seasons, and potentially up to the next four seasons. And you get the higher draft pick back in return.
I never argued otherwise. I simply evaluated both sides of the deal, and very specifically said that if the team getting Allen is in win-now mode, it makes the most sense.
I like Gage for a mini-breakout this year so I think this trade turns out well for you.
I agree with you on principle and what KD has done has been remarkable but being a RB in the NFL and getting beat on is a different animal than any other in sports. There is a reason why their career is only like 3 seasons on average or whatever it is. I think there are valid arguments on both sides but most RBs lose explosiveness after a lower leg injury and even a small loss for someone that wasn't great is a death blow to a career of a RB.
He probably will and I like the trade for you but that doesn't mean that Johnson couldn't still win this trade for the other guy in the long run. I like the trade personally and would have jumped on it with your team but I get the other side too.
That’s where I’m coming from. DJ isn’t Allen right now, but there’s certainly potential for him to become that productive, and potentially remain so for longer.
I probably lean towards the Thomas/2nd side, but it’s not an unfair trade.
Ya. Not sure why you got picked on a little as the opposition but sparked good debate which I like to see. I agree with you completely. I like KA a lot but assuming he will be this good for 4 years is a long time. DJ may never get there due to QB/O-line but he certainly has the talent to do it.
Oh how the mighty Thomas has fallen. This would have seemed unthinkable last offseason. I think it is pretty fair as Kelce has the feel to me of like a Tony G that put up good fantasy numbers even at like 35. I'd lean that way but wouldn't like it. But I guess a really fair trade isn't completely liked or hated by either party.
Actually if both sides don't like it you know you have a good deal.......hahahahaha
This is so true and it makes me laugh when people don't get that. There are some owners that think they have to love every trade or they won't make it. Not how a team is built.
or better yet, owners that think they have to "win" every trade. Some of the best trades I have made I didn't "win" but it put me over the top for a title run.
That is kind of what I meant but totally agreed. I can't stand how people feel that way. Depending on your team, situation, and value of the players (both incoming & outgoing)...."win" can mean very different things too.
I completely agree with you that those things are about impossible to come back from. Do you have any idea how many RBs have had a similar injury in their prime?
I am the team getting Kelce and getting the top TE made it worth it to me. I'm not sure I would have made the deal if Brees was still there though. My thinking is that the WR position is easier to replace than the TE position.
I agree in principal, but Kelce is 31.
Yes, that's what I am looking for. TE was my weak spot and a couple of years of the top TE will make me happy. I understand the age concern but my team is built to win now and I will find a WR to replace Thomas easier than trying to pry a top TE from someone. Believe me I tried.
I like it. I paid up big time for Kelce at the trade deadline last year but it got me the chip and I don't regret it one bit as I am poised to make a big run this year too.
This is a good haul for Kelce. If rebuilding this is the type of trade that can really help with that.
Totally agree. Heck, Thomas probably won't replace Thomas given the tumultuous situation at QB in NOS.
Dude giving away Dalvon could have just put that offer in the “what’s the worst trade you’ve ever been offered” topic instead of clicking accept. I mean, that’s an option.
Nice pull. I think that’s a solid value betting on a bounce back. And even if Pollard is more involved than you want to see, that’s baked into the buy-low price. And if he truly bounces back, you got a bargain.
