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27 minutes ago, Birdie048 said:

Made this mistake earlier today without reading updates .... foolish me...  I was busy with family issues (Sick F-in-L).  

Sorry to hear about the F-in-L - family always comes first though - Mimms < family issues.

And who knows, the deal may work out down the road - I've wasted 4th rounders in worse ways than that. 

Hoping for the best for your fam. ❤️

 

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19 minutes ago, BigJim® said:

Anyone see recent dynasty trades involving Dalvin Cook?

I sniffed around the Cook owner a while back in my league & he was priced out of my comfort zone.  I believe I offered 2 firsts, a 2nd + Hopkins or Evans & it was rejected with no counter, so…

I feel like Cook owners are all-in on him. Hate to say this but maybe wait until he’s injured again & fire off a shot. :shrug: 

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22 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I sniffed around the Cook owner a while back in my league & he was priced out of my comfort zone.  I believe I offered 2 firsts, a 2nd + Hopkins or Evans & it was rejected with no counter, so…

I feel like Cook owners are all-in on him. Hate to say this but maybe wait until he’s injured again & fire off a shot. :shrug: 

I’m an owner, actually. Even as a Vike fan I’d strongly consider any offer like that.

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2 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I sniffed around the Cook owner a while back in my league & he was priced out of my comfort zone.  I believe I offered 2 firsts, a 2nd + Hopkins or Evans & it was rejected with no counter, so…

I feel like Cook owners are all-in on him. Hate to say this but maybe wait until he’s injured again & fire off a shot. :shrug: 

What did the 1sts look like?

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11 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

What did the 1sts look like?

Hard to say - it’s based on record, and Cook would have improved me, while closing one of those wide receivers likely would have hurt me almost as much.

Figure something between 1.07~> ?

ETA it was a 2022 & 2023.

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2 minutes ago, mzkp54 said:


i gave DJ Moore, Diontae Johnson, Nyhiem Hines, and Blake Jarwin for Cook recently. 

I like that trade for you, so long as you had the depth for it.

Dionte is the best player from your side, and he seems hit & miss. Hines is flex-worthy, Jarwin is a maybe. 

Nice get. 

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14 minutes ago, floods said:

 

That's a spicy take.

Maybe Moore - I’m just sayin.  Cook is easily the best asset in the deal. He didn’t get Cookd cheap, but I don’t really see it as an overpay either.

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2 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I like that trade for you, so long as you had the depth for it.

Dionte is the best player from your side, and he seems hit & miss. Hines is flex-worthy, Jarwin is a maybe. 

Nice get. 

Agreed. I would not trade for that.

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Yeah I was happy with it. As far as depth I came out of the startup auction with like 10 starting WR because that’s where the value fell so even after moving them (and Higgins/Robby in a deal for Stafford) I still have AJB/Ridley/Keenan/Woods/Evans/Pittman. Not quite as young but think I should be a strong contender for a few years especially now that I’ve added Cook. 

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1 hour ago, mzkp54 said:

I still have AJB/Ridley/Keenan/Woods/Evans/Pittman. Not quite as young but think I should be a strong contender for a few years especially now that I’ve added Cook. 

 

Rename your team Pancakes, cuz it's stacked. 

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On 7/31/2021 at 11:17 AM, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Not involved:

team A gave Akers, 2023 3rd (likely mid-to-late)

team B gave Mooney, 2022 2nd, (likely bottom 3)

I would be taking an offer for Akers if someone gave me a real offer probably but not sure I trust Mooney enough for this but Miller getting traded helps.  I'd take the swing on Akers for this probably.

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16 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Maybe Moore - I’m just sayin.  Cook is easily the best asset in the deal. He didn’t get Cookd cheap, but I don’t really see it as an overpay either.

I see that as getting Cook for cheap to me.  To be fair, I'm not high on Moore really personally.  I do like Johnson.  Jarwin and Hines aren't real assets to me.  Can be played at times but they will never help carry a team at all.  Cook could be a league winner and is one of the best assets in fantasy football.  This looks like a lot on its face but this is nothing to give up for a player like Cook.

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32 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I see that as getting Cook for cheap to me.  To be fair, I'm not high on Moore really personally.  I do like Johnson.  Jarwin and Hines aren't real assets to me.  Can be played at times but they will never help carry a team at all.  Cook could be a league winner and is one of the best assets in fantasy football.  This looks like a lot on its face but this is nothing to give up for a player like Cook.

Kinda agree - Dionte & Moore are young and upside guys. You’re not paying for what they are, you’re paying for what they could become. Hines is flex-worthy, but less so in light of the QB issue. Jarwin is likely in a TEBC with Schultz now so agree on that. 

So yeah, no way is it an overlay, but he did give a couple upside WRs.

Agree that it’s affordable, how’s that? 

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11 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Kinda agree - Dionte & Moore are young and upside guys. You’re not paying for what they are, you’re paying for what they could become. Hines is flex-worthy, but less so in light of the QB issue. Jarwin is likely in a TEBC with Schultz now so agree on that. 

So yeah, no way is it an overlay, but he did give a couple upside WRs.

Agree that it’s affordable, how’s that? 

I agree with that just not the type of business I try to conduct with my super-studs.  I love trading fringe pieces for studs so doens't matter how many they are.

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14 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I agree with that just not the type of business I try to conduct with my super-studs.  I love trading fringe pieces for studs so doens't matter how many they are.

I feel the same. I would always rather be the one getting the best player in the deal. 

But sometimes you need to diversify. In the above deal we're discussing, I don't think it's quite enough for Cook. 

But recently I dealt Mahomes for a sizable package as I'm in a rebuild and needed to diversify that value, so I totally get why the Cook owner might make this trade. I just don't think he got as much value for him as he could have. 

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8 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I feel the same. I would always rather be the one getting the best player in the deal. 

But sometimes you need to diversify. In the above deal we're discussing, I don't think it's quite enough for Cook. 

But recently I dealt Mahomes for a sizable package as I'm in a rebuild and needed to diversify that value, so I totally get why the Cook owner might make this trade. I just don't think he got as much value for him as he could have. 

I think that is smart of you.  Mahomes value is so high that you can get a really good return and it isn't extremely hard to replace his value.  What did you get for him if you don't mind me asking?

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I hate to give up on Akers, but I thought this was a pretty good exit and I needed a WR. I still have Henry, Gibson, Gaskin, DJ, and Penny at RB

12 team PPR, only required to start 1 RB along with 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex

Gave: D. Henderson, Akers

Got: Sutton, 2022 2nd (mid), 2023 1st (mid)

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Just now, kutta said:

I hate to give up on Akers, but I thought this was a pretty good exit and I needed a WR. I still have Henry, Gibson, Gaskin, DJ, and Penny at RB

12 team PPR, only required to start 1 RB along with 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex

Gave: D. Henderson, Akers

Got: Sutton, 2022 2nd (mid), 2023 1st (mid)

With those starting requirements, I think this is a good return.  Due to having Henderson, I might have held on to both and had the starter there no matter what but RBs never come back from Achilles injuries like this so I'd be selling.

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12 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I think that is smart of you.  Mahomes value is so high that you can get a really good return and it isn't extremely hard to replace his value.  What did you get for him if you don't mind me asking?

Z. Wilson, Higgins, CEH, 2022 1st & 2023 1st. 

ETA - it's SF, so QB value is higher. 

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Z. Wilson, Higgins, CEH, 2022 1st & 2023 1st. 

ETA - it's SF, so QB value is higher. 

SF makes much more sense.  I do like this value for you.  Getting basically 5 1sts from the last 2 drafts n next 2 combined is a good return.  I'm not high on Wilson personally as I am a Jets hater but Wilson has upside if they can figure it out.

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1 minute ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

That's hard to say no to. I wouldn't even think about paying that. But I might take that if I owned Mahomes in SF.

 

This was the counter. I'd asked for Metcalf, not Higgins. I probably should have asked for one more piece after the downgrade, but I wanted to get it done so I accepted as written.  I then flipped the 2023 1st for Pittman, a player I'm very high on. 

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9 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

 

This was the counter. I'd asked for Metcalf, not Higgins. I probably should have asked for one more piece after the downgrade, but I wanted to get it done so I accepted as written.  I then flipped the 2023 1st for Pittman, a player I'm very high on. 

I really liked Higgins but some of that shine wore off when they took Chase over Sewell.  I don't have any problem with that trade.  Good return.  That might be a bit high on Pittman but I do like his upside.  The Wentz injury could hurt him to start this year though.

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1 hour ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I really liked Higgins but some of that shine wore off when they took Chase over Sewell.  I don't have any problem with that trade.  Good return.  That might be a bit high on Pittman but I do like his upside.  The Wentz injury could hurt him to start this year though.

 

On the contrary - all reporting suggests that the shine should be fading on Chase & that it's looking like a 1A/1B situation, where Chase was drafted by many with the thought that he would be the clear WR1. Higgin's role is unlikely to change, but it might cap his upside a little. 

As for Pittman, yeah obviously. But it is a 2023 1st, not 2022. And I made that deal 3-4 weeks ago, so apparently my magic 8-ball was on the fritz. I definitely should have known that a foot injury Wentz was nursing since high school would finally give out on him, requiring surgery. 

c'mon, son. :doh: 

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20 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

 

On the contrary - all reporting suggests that the shine should be fading on Chase & that it's looking like a 1A/1B situation, where Chase was drafted by many with the thought that he would be the clear WR1. Higgin's role is unlikely to change, but it might cap his upside a little. 

As for Pittman, yeah obviously. But it is a 2023 1st, not 2022. And I made that deal 3-4 weeks ago, so apparently my magic 8-ball was on the fritz. I definitely should have known that a foot injury Wentz was nursing since high school would finally give out on him, requiring surgery. 

c'mon, son. :doh: 

You might want to re-visit the J. Chase thread if you think the shine is fading on Chase.  

It is the offseason, what are you really getting from believing the hype reports on players you own?

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8 minutes ago, smbkrypt24 said:

You might want to re-visit the J. Chase thread if you think the shine is fading on Chase.  

It is the offseason, what are you really getting from believing the hype reports on players you own?

 

I was only listening to what the HC had to say about it. Silly me. 

They're likely to have about equal production. I am fine with the value of Higgins right now. 

I'm not "believing the hype reports on players I own", but thanks for projecting that. I've been following the reports of all the players. And reportedly it's a 1A/1B situation according to the team these guys play on. Perhaps you're looking in a mirror? 

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

 

I was only listening to what the HC had to say about it. Silly me. 

They're likely to have about equal production. I am fine with the value of Higgins right now. 

I'm not "believing the hype reports on players I own", but thanks for projecting that. I've been following the reports of all the players. And reportedly it's a 1A/1B situation according to the team these guys play on. Perhaps you're looking in a mirror? 

Your exact quote was from ALL REPORTING.  You haven't stumbled in the Chase thread if you think ALL REPORTING leads to the conclusion that the shine is fading on Chase.

I projected on that because your opinion shifts when you own players.  

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1 hour ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

This was the counter. I'd asked for Metcalf, not Higgins. I probably should have asked for one more piece after the downgrade, but I wanted to get it done so I accepted as written.  I then flipped the 2023 1st for Pittman, a player I'm very high on. 


You're not gonna like the new news, then. 

Trade: 

Team A gets: Ronald Jones 

Team B gets: Chase Edmonds, mid-3rd

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16 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

 

I was only listening to what the HC had to say about it. Silly me. 

They're likely to have about equal production. I am fine with the value of Higgins right now. 

I'm not "believing the hype reports on players I own", but thanks for projecting that. I've been following the reports of all the players. And reportedly it's a 1A/1B situation according to the team these guys play on. Perhaps you're looking in a mirror? 

I will include the links:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/05/25/joe-burrow-jamarr-chase-will-bring-explosiveness-to-our-offense/

https://lsutigerswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/24/watch-the-joe-burrow-jamarr-chase-connection/

https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/25/joe-burrow-jamarr-chase-extra-work-first-day-bengals-otas/

https://www.fantasypros.com/2021/06/how-good-can-jamarr-chase-be-2021-fantasy-football/

https://lsutigerswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/28/fantasy-football-jamarr-chase-has-a-high-ceiling/

https://twitter.com/lndspatterson/status/1399782344588992514?s=21

https://lsutigerswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/07/jamarr-chase-discusses-similarities-between-lsu-and-bengals-offenses/?utm_source=FOX_Sports

https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/04/jamarr-chase-bengals-move-wrs-around-create-mismatches/

https://www.nfl.com/news/joe-burrow-ja-marr-chase-connection-right-back-to-where-it-was-at-lsu

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2021/7/8/22530160/bengals-wide-receiver-jamarr-chase-special-talent-is-back-together-with-joe-burrow

https://www.thefantasyfootballers.com/articles/the-path-to-a-wr1-fantasy-football-season-jamarr-chase/

https://www.espn.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/33215/technician-jamarr-chase-could-be-playmaker-bengals-joe-burrow-need

https://www.nfl.com/videos/must-see-ja-marr-chase-makes-unreal-one-handed-grab-at-bengals-camp

 

These articles posted from May through July of this year don't seem to have the shine fading on Chase.  The 4th article going as far as saying he could be THE WR1 in dynasty. 

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2 minutes ago, smbkrypt24 said:

These articles posted from May through July of this year don't seem to have the shine fading on Chase.  The 4th article going as far as saying he could be THE WR1.  


Good. I have Chase. I'd love to see overall WR1 someday. Someday, we'll be together...

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5 minutes ago, smbkrypt24 said:

I will include the links:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/05/25/joe-burrow-jamarr-chase-will-bring-explosiveness-to-our-offense/

https://lsutigerswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/24/watch-the-joe-burrow-jamarr-chase-connection/

https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/25/joe-burrow-jamarr-chase-extra-work-first-day-bengals-otas/

https://www.fantasypros.com/2021/06/how-good-can-jamarr-chase-be-2021-fantasy-football/

https://lsutigerswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/28/fantasy-football-jamarr-chase-has-a-high-ceiling/

https://twitter.com/lndspatterson/status/1399782344588992514?s=21

https://lsutigerswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/07/jamarr-chase-discusses-similarities-between-lsu-and-bengals-offenses/?utm_source=FOX_Sports

https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/04/jamarr-chase-bengals-move-wrs-around-create-mismatches/

https://www.nfl.com/news/joe-burrow-ja-marr-chase-connection-right-back-to-where-it-was-at-lsu

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2021/7/8/22530160/bengals-wide-receiver-jamarr-chase-special-talent-is-back-together-with-joe-burrow

https://www.thefantasyfootballers.com/articles/the-path-to-a-wr1-fantasy-football-season-jamarr-chase/

https://www.espn.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/33215/technician-jamarr-chase-could-be-playmaker-bengals-joe-burrow-need

https://www.nfl.com/videos/must-see-ja-marr-chase-makes-unreal-one-handed-grab-at-bengals-camp

 

These articles posted from May through July of this year don't seem to have the shine fading on Chase.  The 4th article going as far as saying he could be THE WR1.  

 

Sounds a lot like you're the one believing the preseason hype on a player you own. 

:rolleyes: 

"could" is doing some seriously heavy lifting in your entire post. 

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3 minutes ago, woodstock said:


Good. I have Chase. I'd love to see overall WR1 someday. Someday, we'll be together...

lol

It's what, 3 days of camp? I'm sure there's going to be plenty of production for both Chase & Higgins this year and beyond. :wub: 

All I mean by "shine fading" (and I was quite explicit in my original post) is that folks took Chase in rookie drafts with a clear expectation that he'd be the WR1 in Cinci. 

And the coach & IIRC OC both initially said they saw Higgins in that role & later said it would be a 1A/1B situation. 

It wasn't intended to insult Chase in the slightest - just that Higgins value from last year is likely consistent, though those same coaches said clearly that they expected more out of him this year. 

I'm not crapping on Chase, simply saying concerns about Higgins for the presence of Chase seem unfounded. Someone decided to do some interpretations of that. 

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

 

Sounds a lot like you're the one believing the preseason hype on a player you own. 

:rolleyes: 

"could" is doing some seriously heavy lifting in your entire post. 

At this point you are just defending a position already proven false, but you do you.  Your post said all reporting is saying the shine is fading on Chase.  I pointed these articles out to show you that is not the case.  You are now saying I am believing all these articles.  Nice projection and flip to different argument.

Take a step back.  Read these posts.  Clearly NOT ALL REPORTING is leading to the shine fading on Chase.

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Just now, smbkrypt24 said:

At this point you are just defending a position already proven false, but you do you.  Your post said all reporting is saying the shine is fading on Chase.  I pointed these articles out to show you that is not the case.  You are now saying I am believing all these articles.  Nice projection and flip to different argument.

Take a step back.  Read these posts.  Clearly NOT ALL REPORTING is leading to the shine fading on Chase.

Read my original post instead. You're making a mountain out of a molehill here. 

Chase will be fine. Higgins will be fine. They'll both be fine. 

The coach & OC both said they expected Higgins to have increased production. My comment about Chase was not to suggest he wouldn't be good, merely that he wasn't going to ruin Higgins value. 

Context matters. You read one part of my post & ignored the rest. 

I'm done with this. 

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

lol

It's what, 3 days of camp? I'm sure there's going to be plenty of production for both Chase & Higgins this year and beyond. :wub: 

All I mean by "shine fading" (and I was quite explicit in my original post) is that folks took Chase in rookie drafts with a clear expectation that he'd be the WR1 in Cinci. 

And the coach & IIRC OC both initially said they saw Higgins in that role & later said it would be a 1A/1B situation. 

It wasn't intended to insult Chase in the slightest - just that Higgins value from last year is likely consistent, though those same coaches said clearly that they expected more out of him this year. 

I'm not crapping on Chase, simply saying concerns about Higgins for the presence of Chase seem unfounded. Someone decided to do some interpretations of that. 


My post had nothing to do with you, HSG. It had nothing to do with you and smbkrypt24. It had everything to do with Chase, shine, and WR1 status, baby. WR1 status sure is a groovy thing to hear projected in dynasty with all the talent at WR. 

Love me some Higgins, too. I think DAL and CIN are really over-the-top as far as receiver talent goes. Some good players like Auden Tate will barely see the field, barring injury. That's loaded. 

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3 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Read my original post instead. You're making a mountain out of a molehill here. 

Chase will be fine. Higgins will be fine. They'll both be fine. 

The coach & OC both said they expected Higgins to have increased production. My comment about Chase was not to suggest he wouldn't be good, merely that he wasn't going to ruin Higgins value. 

Context matters. You read one part of my post & ignored the rest. 

I'm done with this. 

Everyone this time of year's role is expected to be bigger and better than ever.  I pointed out the articles showing/helping you to see the shine on Chase is not fading.  There are many hype articles this time of year.

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Just now, smbkrypt24 said:

Everyone this time of year's role is expected to be bigger and better than ever.  I pointed out the articles showing/helping you to see the shine on Chase is not fading.  There is many hype articles this time of year.

And AGAIN, for the 4th time, I did not say that to mean Chase was not going to be productive. 

Only that BASED ON THE COACH'S COMMENTS, they would be in more of a 1A/1B situation And I said it in response to someone commenting on my acquisition of Higgins, as though Chase getting drafted killed his value. 

You seem to have been triggered by that one turn of phrase. Take a deep breath. it's just FF. 

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14 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

And AGAIN, for the 4th time, I did not say that to mean Chase was not going to be productive. 

Only that BASED ON THE COACH'S COMMENTS, they would be in more of a 1A/1B situation And I said it in response to someone commenting on my acquisition of Higgins, as though Chase getting drafted killed his value. 

You seem to have been triggered by that one turn of phrase. Take a deep breath. it's just FF. 

🤣

I thought you were done?

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