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I guess I will take Dak and the picks12 Team 0.5 PPR:
Gave: 1.7/Martin
Got: Dak/2.9/2.12/2018 1 (5-8)
I guess I will take Dak and the picks12 Team 0.5 PPR:
Gave: 1.7/Martin
Got: Dak/2.9/2.12/2018 1 (5-8)
Dak and the picks.12 Team 0.5 PPR:
Gave: 1.7/Martin
Got: Dak/2.9/2.12/2018 1 (5-8)
Yes, it's wise to factor that in.I was being serious.
The team I let Olsen go from limped into the playoffs but was a pretty easy out. It's not a very good team so milking the remainder of Olsen's career doesn't do a lot of good.
But that's a fair point isn't it? State of the team matters as to whether you should move a guy or not.
I am not a huge Alshon fan but would pay that all day long for him.FFPC lineup/scoring but larger rosters:
I gave: 1.8, 2.8
I got: Alshon, 3.9
Reason: I love this draft and value those picks but my team has Julio at the rest of my WR's are weak. My team is also deep at TE where I think most of the value will be when those two picks I gave up are OTC. So made sense for me to cash in on the picks for a proven player at a position of need. If Alshon ends up in some dire situation like Rams or 49'ers I'd still do this trade, but won't like it as much.
That's cheap for Alshon even if he lands in a bad spot. If he lands in a good spot...FFPC lineup/scoring but larger rosters:
I gave: 1.8, 2.8
I got: Alshon, 3.9
Reason: I love this draft and value those picks but my team has Julio at the rest of my WR's are weak. My team is also deep at TE where I think most of the value will be when those two picks I gave up are OTC. So made sense for me to cash in on the picks for a proven player at a position of need. If Alshon ends up in some dire situation like Rams or 49'ers I'd still do this trade, but won't like it as much.
Hopkins > Robinson12 team PPR dynasty (not involved)
Team A gets: Hopkins, Gurley
Team B gets: A Robinson, 1.8, 1.12
Caused a little bit of an uproar between a few members in the league but I have noticed several are down on Gurley after last year...
I bet it did. All three players are easy to value pretty equally - I rank them Gurley, Hopkins, Robinson but wouldn't complain with anyone's re-rank - but those picks are nowhere near value for any of them. So one side has the two highest (for me) and the other has about 60% of the value of the remainder. A 40% discount on Spencer Ware isn't that big of a deal, but 40% discount on a stud is significant competitive juice. I own both of these guys in a PPR league and I probably wouldn't even comment on my rejection.12 team PPR dynasty (not involved)
Team A gets: Hopkins, Gurley
Team B gets: A Robinson, 1.8, 1.12
Caused a little bit of an uproar between a few members in the league but I have noticed several are down on Gurley after last year...
Great deal for youFFPC lineup/scoring but larger rosters:
I gave: 1.8, 2.8
I got: Alshon, 3.9
Reason: I love this draft and value those picks but my team has Julio at the rest of my WR's are weak. My team is also deep at TE where I think most of the value will be when those two picks I gave up are OTC. So made sense for me to cash in on the picks for a proven player at a position of need. If Alshon ends up in some dire situation like Rams or 49'ers I'd still do this trade, but won't like it as much.
Hopkins/Gurley12 team PPR dynasty (not involved)
Team A gets: Hopkins, Gurley
Team B gets: A Robinson, 1.8, 1.12
Caused a little bit of an uproar between a few members in the league but I have noticed several are down on Gurley after last year...
The funny part is (unless I'm reading it wrong) it seems like his league felt the opposite way. I agree with you here Gurley/Hopkins side for me. Gurley showed too much as a rookie to discount him after 2016.I bet it did. All three players are easy to value pretty equally - I rank them Gurley, Hopkins, Robinson but wouldn't complain with anyone's re-rank - but those picks are nowhere near value for any of them. So one side has the two highest (for me) and the other has about 60% of the value of the remainder. A 40% discount on Spencer Ware isn't that big of a deal, but 40% discount on a stud is significant competitive juice. I own both of these guys in a PPR league and I probably wouldn't even comment on my rejection.
Agreed, I see why people had an issue with the trade with the Gurley over the 1.8/1.12 in particular.Hopkins > Robinson
Gurley >> 1.8 + 1.12
Insanely cheap for Julio. Horrible.14 Team PPR
Team A receives: Julio Jones, Martavis Bryant
Team B receives: Dorsett, AJ Derby, 1.04, 2.04, 2.10
I don't play IDP so this answer might change if Hightower is a top IDP guy but otherwise I don't think I'd sell Gurley for this price. Probably only pick I'd trade him for is the 1.1I gave: Todd Gurley (start 2-4 RB's: I also have Le'Veon Bell, C.J. Anderson, and 1.01 = Leonard Fournette)
I got: 1.03, 6.03, and Dont'a Hightower (PPR IDP Dynasty with balanced scoring)
If I said this was free Martavis that might suggest I think if he was out of the deal I would see this as even and that would not be the message I am trying to convey.14 Team PPR
Team A receives: Julio Jones, Martavis Bryant
Team B receives: Dorsett, AJ Derby, 1.04, 2.04, 2.10
It's a big haul. I put a much higher value on the 1.4 than consensus(the most valuable piece of the trade to me) but a much lower view than consensus on both Ajayi and Dez. So for me I would take Elliot.Curious to see the replies on this one... 12 team, 1PPR for WR, 0.5PPR for RBs, 1.5PPR for TEs
Zeke Elliot and Nelson Agholoor
for
Jay Ajayi, Dez Bryant, 1.04, 2.04, 3.04
I have it Eifert = 1.09 and CJ > 2.09 and HigbeeHigbee & the picks.
what?14 Team PPR
Team A receives: Julio Jones, Martavis Bryant
Team B receives: Dorsett, AJ Derby, 1.04, 2.04, 2.10
Someone must have heard Julio lost his leg during his surgery14 Team PPR
Team A receives: Julio Jones, Martavis Bryant
Team B receives: Dorsett, AJ Derby, 1.04, 2.04, 2.10
What the heck, I'll be the contrarian.FFPC lineup/scoring but larger rosters:
I gave: 1.8, 2.8
I got: Alshon, 3.9
Reason: I love this draft and value those picks but my team has Julio at the rest of my WR's are weak. My team is also deep at TE where I think most of the value will be when those two picks I gave up are OTC. So made sense for me to cash in on the picks for a proven player at a position of need. If Alshon ends up in some dire situation like Rams or 49'ers I'd still do this trade, but won't like it as much.
Even in that case it seems like selling for way under market value.What the heck, I'll be the contrarian.
Based on what I see and read, I believe Alshon is soft. Worse yet, I've read several times that he is not a hard worker. Some guys work hard to get past injuries, but Alshon does not. That sends up a giant red flag in my book, ESPECIALLY when he is about to get paid huge.
So while I understand that paying 1.8 and swapping a round of picks is good value based on what Alshon could do, I wouldn't want him on my fake team.
This one isn't close in favor of the Julio side. Even if Bryant doesn't come back I still like the Julio side.14 Team PPR
Team A receives: Julio Jones, Martavis Bryant
Team B receives: Dorsett, AJ Derby, 1.04, 2.04, 2.10
GurleyI gave: Todd Gurley (start 2-4 RB's: I also have Le'Veon Bell, C.J. Anderson, and 1.01 = Leonard Fournette)
I got: 1.03, 6.03, and Dont'a Hightower (PPR IDP Dynasty with balanced scoring)
Yeah, it's also nice to get Bryant as a "throw in."Someone must have heard Julio lost his leg during his surgery
14 Team PPR
Team A receives: Julio Jones, Martavis Bryant
Team B receives: Dorsett, AJ Derby, 1.04, 2.04, 2.10
Absolutely, based on community perceptions. If he then sold Jeffery for a profit just by flipping him, more power to Meno. (Actually, I don't mean that - I'm in this league with him. )Even in that case it seems like selling for way under market value.
In the community dynasty rankings going on here right now Alshon just went off the board ahead of the 1.03 pick. Granted, vets generally have more value relative to picks in startup drafts than in established leagues, but 1.03 to 1.08 is a massive gap.
Obviously you can only sell for what people will buy for and maybe he offered him for all the higher picks without any luck, but just seems like way less than what could/should be able to be gotten back for him.
F you man!What the heck, I'll be the contrarian.
Based on what I see and read, I believe Alshon is soft. Worse yet, I've read several times that he is not a hard worker. Some guys work hard to get past injuries, but Alshon does not. That sends up a giant red flag in my book, ESPECIALLY when he is about to get paid huge.
So while I understand that paying 1.8 and swapping a round of picks is good value based on what Alshon could do, I wouldn't want him on my fake team.
Well if you are going to break Zeke into pieces, at least they are stacked up decently. I happen to be higher than market on both players, so this isn't a bad way to settle. If this is a young team with Zeke and nothing else I can see trying to fill multiple holes at once. The point loss from Zeke to Ajayi is easily eaten up by the Dez/Agholor upgrade, so now the picks are free shots to find a gem.Curious to see the replies on this one... 12 team, 1PPR for WR, 0.5PPR for RBs, 1.5PPR for TEs
Zeke Elliot and Nelson Agholoor
for
Jay Ajayi, Dez Bryant, 1.04, 2.04, 3.04
I thought everyone knew stuff like Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the march equinox and that National Give your Studs Away Week kicked right after RB's, WR's and TE's did combine drills.Time to send out offers I didn't realize National Give Your Studs Away Week started this early.
That's because "free Julio" is much closer to the truth.If I said this was free Martavis that might suggest I think if he was out of the deal I would see this as even and that would not be the message I am trying to convey.14 Team PPR
Team A receives: Julio Jones, Martavis Bryant
Team B receives: Dorsett, AJ Derby, 1.04, 2.04, 2.10
IMO Hightower is at best LB3 worthy and depending on your roster size barely roster-able.I gave: Todd Gurley (start 2-4 RB's: I also have Le'Veon Bell, C.J. Anderson, and 1.01 = Leonard Fournette)
I got: 1.03, 6.03, and Dont'a Hightower (PPR IDP Dynasty with balanced scoring)
That's a great point, as he is barely rosterable in his current situation, but I figured that as he undoubtedly won't be capitulating on his reportedly "insane" contract demands, it seems unlikely that he'll re-sign with the Patriots, and wherever he goes for top dollar, I'm sure that an incentive will be guaranteed maximum usage as the alpha MLB a la Collins in Cleveland, which would translate to voluminous impact production that would vault him into possibly the top 5 LB1 stratosphere, health permitting. I traded for him in hopes of this theory materializing into reality, although if he does indeed re-sign with the Patriots, the inevitable return to inconsistent playing time will make him a definite drop for me. LB's score competitively in my league, but Hightower was a throw-in for the main asset, which was effectively the 1.03 pick for Gurley, in whom I'd begun to lose faith. I've written too much about the IDP aspect of the trade. Thanks to all for the replies!IMO Hightower is at best LB3 worthy and depending on your roster size barely roster-able.
I don't think Martavis is worth anything remotely close to just the 1.4 so I can't go quite that far.That's because "free Julio" is much closer to the truth.
How much cash did team B's owner pocket under the table?
Well, based on some recent ADP stuff, looks like Martavis is going in the 6th round of startups. The 1.4 probably actually isn't too far off from that.I don't think Martavis is worth anything remotely close to just the 1.4 so I can't go quite that far.
I'd say that's about 3 rounds off where I anticipate 1.4 going.Well, based on some recent ADP stuff, looks like Martavis is going in the 6th round of startups. The 1.4 probably actually isn't too far off from that.
Might be. But even so, definitely in the vicinity of 1.6-1.8 type picks. So "not worth anything remotely close" is a bit much, IMO, which was the point of my post. Martavis, at this point, still carries some pretty significant value for some and I'd argue he's far closer in value to the 1.4 than Julio is in the other direction.I'd say that's about 3 rounds off where I anticipate 1.4 going.
Might be. But even so, definitely in the vicinity of 1.6-1.8 type picks. So "not worth anything remotely close" is a bit much, IMO, which was the point of my post. Martavis, at this point, still carries some pretty significant value for some and I'd argue he's far closer in value to the 1.4 than Julio is in the other direction.
He revised it to say something like that which is fine but he initially was making point that if Martavis is a 6th rounder it's not far off value of 1.4 which I did not agree.I don't think he's saying Martavis is worth the 1.04. He's saying Martavis is closer to the 1.04 than the 1.04 is to Julio.
I will take the 1st in the AP dealTwo trades between the same two teams in 12-team ppr league
Team A gives Adrian Peterson, 2018 2nd, 2018 3rd
Team B gives 2017 5.02, 2018 1st
Team A gives Terrence West, Christine Michael, Brandon Marshall, 2017 3.01
Team B gives CJ Anderson, TJ Yeldon
That first will likely be in the 1.01-1.03 range (it was 1.02 this year and the roster is very poor) making the deal that much worse. In essence the guy traded an early first, Anderson and Yeldon for Peterson, Marshall and some spare parts and late picks. Peterson is now his only decent RB and Marshall is one of his top WRs (Fitzgerald, DJackson and Tate). A poor team relying on old players is not a great combination.I will take the 1st in the AP deal
Anderson/Yeldon in 2nd deal
I'm in this league, and I thought it was awful - side getting Hopkins/Gurley got a major steal. Oddly though, I was in the minority it seemed....The funny part is (unless I'm reading it wrong) it seems like his league felt the opposite way. I agree with you here Gurley/Hopkins side for me. Gurley showed too much as a rookie to discount him after 2016.
You got a gift here and you obviously know itTwo trades between the same two teams in 12-team ppr league
Team A gives Adrian Peterson, 2018 2nd, 2018 3rd
Team B gives 2017 5.02, 2018 1st
Team A gives Terrence West, Christine Michael, Brandon Marshall, 2017 3.01
Team B gives CJ Anderson, TJ Yeldon