jwb
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I thought about this - I do agree Henry is safer. Still, I finished last - to me, the risk was worth taking for what I see as a higher upside.
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I don't really see Henry as any safer. These 2nd year guys who showed flashes in their rookie year are like the poison pills of FF. Did he really show any more as a rookie than Jeremy Hill did? Or Montee Ball, CJ Anderson, and on and on?
Of course sometimes those guys work out great, but at no better clip than the rookies so I will take the upside of the top talent of Mixon that might have seen him be a top 5 pick in the NFL draft without the off the field issues.
People get fixated on the "has shown he can do it on an NFL field" part but I don't think these type of seasons really show that. There are lots of varying circumstances many of which will be different once Henry takes over. We don't know what he'll be like as a lead back or what the line will be like by the time Murray is gone. The line was good last year but it's not an elite unit. Other than elite units that can withstand a few big changes (since big changes happen often to O-lines) I don't think you can really predict them ~2 years out.
Of course sometimes those guys work out great, but at no better clip than the rookies so I will take the upside of the top talent of Mixon that might have seen him be a top 5 pick in the NFL draft without the off the field issues.
People get fixated on the "has shown he can do it on an NFL field" part but I don't think these type of seasons really show that. There are lots of varying circumstances many of which will be different once Henry takes over. We don't know what he'll be like as a lead back or what the line will be like by the time Murray is gone. The line was good last year but it's not an elite unit. Other than elite units that can withstand a few big changes (since big changes happen often to O-lines) I don't think you can really predict them ~2 years out.
ragonkforce
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12 team .5 ppr
Team A: 1.06, 2.11
Team B: 1.08, Crowell
Team A: 1.06, 2.11
Team B: 1.08, Crowell
mcintyre1
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Yep, I was low on Crowell last year, but with the upgrades to the OL they've done and the lack of any competition from the draft, Crowell might be in line for a big year.
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You've got to trade back then, right? Howard is a much better NFL prospect than he is fantasy prospect, IMO. I think he's firmly behind Evans, at the very least. I'd rather gamble on Gronk/Graham/Reed than a surer Witten. I think Everett has just as much fantasy upside, and will be going in the 3rd round. JMO, of course. - Salty Ebron ownerGottabesweet said:
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Gave - 2.05
Got - Sam Bradford
I know nobody's excited about Bradford but since my backup to Russell Wilson was Teddy Bridgewater I had to do something. And I didn't want to burn a higher pick on a better backup. So now I have two guys that are each as likely to get injured.
Got - Sam Bradford
I know nobody's excited about Bradford but since my backup to Russell Wilson was Teddy Bridgewater I had to do something. And I didn't want to burn a higher pick on a better backup. So now I have two guys that are each as likely to get injured.
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Dez
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I am in a league where Bradford was a RFA and not a single person even bid a single buck on him to try and win him. To give up a 2nd for him you had to be desperate.Gave - 2.05
Got - Sam Bradford
I know nobody's excited about Bradford but since my backup to Russell Wilson was Teddy Bridgewater I had to do something. And I didn't want to burn a higher pick on a better backup. So now I have two guys that are each as likely to get injured.
Andy Dufresne
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Matt's Eagles
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12 team dynasty PPR TE premium
Team A gets TY Hilton, Tyreek Hill
Team B gets Rawls, J Matthews, D Parker, Zach Ertz, 18 3rd (late rounder)
Team A gets TY Hilton, Tyreek Hill
Team B gets Rawls, J Matthews, D Parker, Zach Ertz, 18 3rd (late rounder)
Hilton and Hill for free is bad enough. Picking up another 2 roster spots is just robbery.
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Any comment on this one? My buddy and I are in a lively debate over this one. We usually agree but are way off here.
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1.07
lamar miller
john brown
for
1.09
kenneth dixon
jamison crowder
lamar miller
john brown
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1.09
kenneth dixon
jamison crowder
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dipandglide
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Give me the Dez side unless in a rebuild. I feel like you could get more than the 1.05 too. I'd hold and look to sell him in season if not competing.
IMO, 1.7 > 1.9; Miller > Dixon; Brown > Crowder. Clear win for one side on all three parts.
I can see where others would differ though, especially on Crowder. Doesn't look like a bad trade, just two owners with very different player valuations.
kutta
Footballguy
In my league, Bradford was just traded for the 4.07.Gave - 2.05
Got - Sam Bradford
I know nobody's excited about Bradford but since my backup to Russell Wilson was Teddy Bridgewater I had to do something. And I didn't want to burn a higher pick on a better backup. So now I have two guys that are each as likely to get injured.
Not a Zealots league though.
Seems about right. I think it's safe to say that in all non-Zealots or non-2QB leagues, Bradford is essentially worthless.
Andy Dufresne
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It's a really weird distribution of QBs in that league.
Since I had the 5th & 9th pick in rounds 1 & 2 and what I believe is an emerging team, I didn't want to sacrifice for a better player. If you don't play Zealots, it's easier to pry a gun away from an NRA guy's hand than a QB from a Zealots guy's roster.
Since I had the 5th & 9th pick in rounds 1 & 2 and what I believe is an emerging team, I didn't want to sacrifice for a better player. If you don't play Zealots, it's easier to pry a gun away from an NRA guy's hand than a QB from a Zealots guy's roster.
steelers1080
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Dez for me, pretty easily. 1.05 will get you most likely Mixon, Cook or M.Williams, right? Perkins doesn't do much for me...Dez is still elite IMO and it's not like he's over the hill.
Hankmoody
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Nah. in a16 man league all starting QB's have some level of value. 4.07 is pretty cheap for those too. There are only 32 teams and in a 16 man league your depth has to come from somewhere. If you own Big Ben and are fishing for a QB, Bradford's a pretty decent looking guy that might be able to keep the ship afloat while Ben misses his typical 2-3 games plus bye week.
I agree that in 12 man leagues he's not worth the roster spot and I'd rather hold Ishael Zamora or someone like that with the 4.07. You can get Glennon or Hoyer off the wire later.
12 tm PPR - start 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex
Gave: Shady
Got: K.Allen
Roster now:
Zeke, L.Bell, Prosise, Vereen, J.Richard
Allen, DT, Crab, Fitz, Hurns, Maclin
Gronk, Brate
1.03
Wanted to get some value for Shady before he hits the dreaded 3-0. Allen has his own issues of course but feel like this was a good exit price for Shady...
Gave: Shady
Got: K.Allen
Roster now:
Zeke, L.Bell, Prosise, Vereen, J.Richard
Allen, DT, Crab, Fitz, Hurns, Maclin
Gronk, Brate
1.03
Wanted to get some value for Shady before he hits the dreaded 3-0. Allen has his own issues of course but feel like this was a good exit price for Shady...
Hankmoody
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This one is a lot closer. Getting Thomas isn't as big a downgrade to AB as most think at first blush, and now he's got no Cooks to contend with. You could be looking at 2-3 years of top 5 WR with Brees, which is about Brown's window with Big Ben. If it's PPR I think Duke has a lot of value as a plug and play RB2 with those PPCarry rules tacked on. 2.02 in this draft looks better than most years. I'd take Brown, but I don't see this nearly as bad as the Gurley trade, and if caught me on the right day and threw in the right hot-button guy for me I could see myself giving up AB for it.
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Tau837
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Just picking one pro-Dez post to respond to, not meaning to target @Sitch. For those high on Dez, are you expecting him to regain his 2012-2014 performance? IMO he will never reach that level again, and he likely won't ever have 130+ targets again, either. For those reasons, I'd take 1.5 and Perkins.
Before the draft, would anyone have taken 1.05 straight up for Dez? I wouldn't have, and post-draft, the pick has lost a bit of its shine due to landing spots (although 5 is my tier cut-off). Perkins really doesn't add anything for me in this deal. I still think Dez is elite and will always be Dak's main target, and Dak is only going to get better.
I love Thomas but also think just b/c Cooks is gone, it doesn't mean Thomas's targets/numbers will go up. He will now get opposing teams best DB's and all their attention. Plus Brees loves to spread it around, and I think they will run it more with Ingram/AP/Kamara. Brown is about as safe as they come. Adding 2.02 and Duke didn't really factor that much into this deal for me. The initial ask was Thomas and 1.11 and this is what we settled on.
Hankmoody
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In 13 games he had 96 targets. That extrapolates out to 118 for 16 games. That includes week 17 when he had one target and they rested their starters. That 12 game pace would put him to 128 targets for 67/1061/10.7. That's with a rookie QB. I generally hate throwing out outliers to fit a narrative, but when it's something as obvious as this week 17 is I think it's appropriate to consider.
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12 team PPR
Gave: 1.02, Jerick McKinnon
For: Jordan Howard, Jordy Nelson, Carson Wentz
Gave: 1.02, Jerick McKinnon
For: Jordan Howard, Jordy Nelson, Carson Wentz
Hankmoody
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He's probably after Cook, getting McKinnon in the trade. But yeah, that's a huge overpay. Guys like Howard go this way though. Jeremy Hill one and done, TRich busted after a promising rookie year. Without the pre-draft pedigree that a guy like Gurley had they can be gotten very cheaply if you buy into the system/talent fit.
