Protocols of Stringer Bell
Footballguy
Ffpc
gave 1.03
jimmy graham
jaelen Strong
for
1.11
devante parker
Andre Ellington
gave 1.03
jimmy graham
jaelen Strong
for
1.11
devante parker
Andre Ellington
Cooper all dayZealots NON PPR
Team A gave: Demaryious Thomas/Marcus Mariota
Team B gave : Amari Cooper/2017 2nd
Parker pretty easily for meFfpc
gave 1.03
jimmy graham
jaelen Strong
for
1.11
devante parker
Andre Ellington
Hurns + 1.0714 team PPR
Gave:
Jordan Matthews
2.08
Got:
Allen Hurns
1.07
Landry side by a wide margin.
- Team A gave up Landry, Jarvis MIA WR; Year 2016 Draft Pick 2.04;Year 2016 Draft Pick 2.08
- [SIZE=13.3333px]Team B gave up[/SIZE][SIZE=13.3333px] [/SIZE]Floyd, Michael ARI WR[SIZE=13.3333px]; Year 2016 Draft Pick 1.05[/SIZE]
I am not big on Matthews but I will take his side14 team PPR
Gave:
Jordan Matthews
2.08
Got:
Allen Hurns
1.07
DTNot involved but trade today in FFPC and another trade involving what looks like 2016's most traded player, Demaryious Thomas:
Team A gave: Mckinnon, Perriman, 2017#1(was playoff team last year)
Team B gave: D Thomas, Gore, 7th rounder
I prefer hurns to Matthews straight up but that's just meHurns + 1.07
Ditto. Hurns went step for step with Matthews this year despite playing most of the year hurt, and his surroundings are only trending up while we have no idea which way Matthews' are going to go.I prefer hurns to Matthews straight up but that's just me
I am undervaluing Hurns but I would like to see it one more time I guessI prefer hurns to Matthews straight up but that's just me
That's the issue with his value--nobody seems to trust him. For my part, I'm iffy about it because I'm not sure Bortles can continue to support two good fantasy WR's unless that defense keeps being that bad and they have to throw all the time.I am undervaluing Hurns but I would like to see it one more time I guess
Again I don't have either of these guys top 15 or anything. But i feel like the coaching staff was constantly heaping praise on hurns whereas the Eagles were sort of making excuses for Matthews. Either could be in the 15-25 range for me and so I'd much rather have the pick advantage. Plus I felt like hurns just had a knack for scoring and making plays.That's the issue with his value--nobody seems to trust him. For my part, I'm iffy about it because I'm not sure Bortles can continue to support to good fantasy WR's unless that defense keeps being that bad and they have to throw all the time.
Zealots NON PPR
Team A gave: Demaryious Thomas/Marcus Mariota
Team B gave : Amari Cooper/2017 2nd
Unfortunately I already own DT so I can't go after him for these prices.Not involved but trade today in FFPC and another trade involving what looks like 2016's most traded player, Demaryious Thomas:
Team A gave: Mckinnon, Perriman, 2017#1(was playoff team last year)
Team B gave: D Thomas, Gore, 7th rounder
I don't, but he seems to be getting cheaper by the week.Unfortunately I already own DT so I can't go after him for these prices.
Brown/Mariota12 Team ppr QB-2RB-3WR-TE-FL
- Team A gave up Strong, Jaelen HOU WR; Amaro, Jace NYJ TE; 1.08; 2.10
- Team B gave up Mariota, Marcus TEN QB;Brown, John ARI WR
Gimme the haul!PPR- Team 1- Gave Antonio Brown
Team 2 gave- Perriman, Duke Johnson, Theo Riddick, 1.1, 3.1 and 1st in 17.
This trade would depend on the roster/rebuild for me but initially I lean Brown.Dr. Octopus said:12 Team ppr QB-2RB-3WR-TE-FL
- Team A gave up Strong, Jaelen HOU WR; Amaro, Jace NYJ TE; 1.08; 2.10
- Team B gave up Mariota, Marcus TEN QB;Brown, John ARI WR
Hurns and Matthews are pretty close so give me the 1.07; I am more excited about Jaguars next year than Eagles too.ConnSKINS26 said:14 team PPR
Gave:
Jordan Matthews
2.08
Got:
Allen Hurns
1.07
Haul? Looks like a bunch of question marks for a top 3 WR.Gimme the haul!
KelvinCompleted a couple trades since last visit: All are 12tm PPR
1.12 for Kelvin
Cooper, Andre Williams for KWhite, Morris and 2017 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
BrownPPR- Team 1- Gave Antonio Brown
Team 2 gave- Perriman, Duke Johnson, Theo Riddick, 1.1, 3.1 and 1st in 17.
From my perspective Antonio's value is largely reliant on Big Ben staying healthy and peppering him with targets. Antonio averaged less than 60ypg without Ben playing. I like to mitigate my potential for losing a season with the loss of one player, so I personally would prefer Treadwell(1.01), Perriman(2015 mid 1st), Duke (big PPR threat 2016), Riddick (consistent PPR RB2/3), a 1st in 2017, and a wildcard 3.01 this year. I didn't mean haul like "wow you crushed that deal haul" I just didn't want to type all the stuff out like I just did even longer.Haul? Looks like a bunch of question marks for a top 3 WR.
You make a fair point. I honestly didn't even see the 1.1 included in this deal. Even though you were directing your comment at Dr. O, I can definitely see your point. I might take that other side as well.From my perspective Antonio's value is largely reliant on Big Ben staying healthy and peppering him with targets. Antonio averaged less than 60ypg without Ben playing. I like to mitigate my potential for losing a season with the loss of one player, so I personally would prefer Treadwell(1.01), Perriman(2015 mid 1st), Duke (big PPR threat 2016), Riddick (consistent PPR RB2/3), a 1st in 2017, and a wildcard 3.01 this year. I didn't mean haul like "wow you crushed that deal haul" I just didn't want to type all the stuff out like I just did even longer.
Ill take landry side, i like him a lot better then floyd and you can still get some decent potential with two middle second rd picksRolling_akg said:
- Team A gave up Landry, Jarvis MIA WR; Year 2016 Draft Pick 2.04;Year 2016 Draft Pick 2.08
- [SIZE=13.3333px]Team B gave up[/SIZE][SIZE=13.3333px] [/SIZE]Floyd, Michael ARI WR[SIZE=13.3333px]; Year 2016 Draft Pick 1.05[/SIZE]
I could see going either way on this. brown is a top WR but the other team is getting a bunch of good players that could make for a quick rebuildPPR- Team 1- Gave Antonio Brown
Team 2 gave- Perriman, Duke Johnson, Theo Riddick, 1.1, 3.1 and 1st in 17.
kelvin easily, then white and picks side, cooper will be good for a long time but so could white, morris should sign somewhere decent so will be better then andre and the 1st and second in 2017 could end up bringing some very good playersCompleted a couple trades since last visit: All are 12tm PPR
1.12 for Kelvin
Cooper, Andre Williams for KWhite, Morris and 2017 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
The problem is that you could be filling a line-up up with mediocrity instead of an elite producer during the weeks Ben is healthy (which is most weeks). Also Brown did fairly well when Landry Jones played. Vick was just horrendous.From my perspective Antonio's value is largely reliant on Big Ben staying healthy and peppering him with targets. Antonio averaged less than 60ypg without Ben playing. I like to mitigate my potential for losing a season with the loss of one player, so I personally would prefer Treadwell(1.01), Perriman(2015 mid 1st), Duke (big PPR threat 2016), Riddick (consistent PPR RB2/3), a 1st in 2017, and a wildcard 3.01 this year. I didn't mean haul like "wow you crushed that deal haul" I just didn't want to type all the stuff out like I just did even longer.
From my perspective Antonio's value is largely reliant on Big Ben staying healthy and peppering him with targets. Antonio averaged less than 60ypg without Ben playing. I like to mitigate my potential for losing a season with the loss of one player, so I personally would prefer Treadwell(1.01), Perriman(2015 mid 1st), Duke (big PPR threat 2016), Riddick (consistent PPR RB2/3), a 1st in 2017, and a wildcard 3.01 this year. I didn't mean haul like "wow you crushed that deal haul" I just didn't want to type all the stuff out like I just did even longer.
The team getting the multiple pieces is definitely rebuilding. Elliot is probably the target also.The biggest thing I might argue is what while I no doubt understand that Brown is better with Big Ben but keep in mind those games he was without Ben last year he was working with the the 3rd and 4th string QB's and I don't think you will generally see the Steeler's roll out such garbage if/when Ben goes down. He did solid the one game Landry Jones started but not only was Vick just terrible in general he's a terrible fit with Brown who requires accuracy and timing from his QB which Vick could not be much worse at doing, almost as bad as a QB as you pair with Brown.
If you take Treadwell at 1.1 I'd have just keep Brown, would only consider the trade if Elliot was the apple of my eye and I'd still probably need to be rebuilding and have some roster space to spare.
Give me AB, and it isn't even close. Also I'm a Perriman hater - food for thoughtPPR- Team 1- Gave Antonio Brown
Team 2 gave- Perriman, Duke Johnson, Theo Riddick, 1.1, 3.1 and 1st in 17.
It's certainly a fair argument with tighter rosters/taxi squad rules. I'm not arguing the elite production of Brown. I'm arguing that I'd rather risk the 'rebuild' route with multiple potentials for elite production while building my team's total equity. That is part of the fun of coming to a forum, we can discuss our different thoughts on value.The problem is that you could be filling a line-up up with mediocrity instead of an elite producer during the weeks Ben is healthy (which is most weeks). Also Brown did fairly well when Landry Jones played. Vick was just horrendous.
"It isn't even close" is all relative to your thoughts on the trade. I hate that line, lol. I think it is much closer than you do but as you've said you don't value Perriman highly. The person would basically be getting about 3 1sts, Riddick, and a 3.01. Maybe you could get some more value but the offer is close to top value for any player in my book. Especially one that is going to be 28 before next season that relies on not just himself staying healthy, but his starting QB as well. Also when you consider a player like Calvin potentially retiring at 29/30 I think it tapers the value we should put on elite WRs.Give me AB, and it isn't even close. Also I'm a Perriman hater - food for thought
Think I want Team B here even with the TE yardage bonus.12 team dynasty PPR, TE yardage Bonus
Team A gets Travis Benjamin, Cle, Clive Walford, Marquess Wilson
Team B gets Nelson Algohor, Devin Funchess, picks 4.1, 4.5, 4.7
Algholor and Funchess12 team dynasty PPR, TE yardage Bonus
Team A gets Travis Benjamin, Cle, Clive Walford, Marquess Wilson
Team B gets Nelson Algohor, Devin Funchess, picks 4.1, 4.5, 4.7
All they have to do is wait a short while and he will screw up again and they won't have to bother picking him up.Looking forward to see everyone scramble to acquire Josh Gordon
My roster is full of Perrimans Dukes and Riddicks who have either proved nothing or in a time share. Nothing against these guys but they're replaceable - a bunch of them does me no good. I boil this down to Brown for the picks and I still prefer Brown.From my perspective Antonio's value is largely reliant on Big Ben staying healthy and peppering him with targets. Antonio averaged less than 60ypg without Ben playing. I like to mitigate my potential for losing a season with the loss of one player, so I personally would prefer Treadwell(1.01), Perriman(2015 mid 1st), Duke (big PPR threat 2016), Riddick (consistent PPR RB2/3), a 1st in 2017, and a wildcard 3.01 this year. I didn't mean haul like "wow you crushed that deal haul" I just didn't want to type all the stuff out like I just did even longer.
It's a roster clearing move for the team getting rid of all those pieces. That's what it comes down to. In the end I'd much rather have a top5 dynasty player than 5 question marks of guys who have injury history, although I do like Elliott at 1.01, he isn't nearly enough to bridge the gap between that top player and some injured role players."It isn't even close" is all relative to your thoughts on the trade. I hate that line, lol. I think it is much closer than you do but as you've said you don't value Perriman highly. The person would basically be getting about 3 1sts, Riddick, and a 3.01. Maybe you could get some more value but the offer is close to top value for any player in my book. Especially one that is going to be 28 before next season that relies on not just himself staying healthy, but his starting QB as well. Also when you consider a player like Calvin potentially retiring at 29/30 I think it tapers the value we should put on elite WRs.
Hill. Half the price and possibly just as talented, almost as young.220 cap league...melvin gordon $52 for Jremy Hill $27. Both guys have lots of cap room
Sims and picks for me.12 team PPR:
Give: Freeman
Get: C.Sims, 1.07, 2017 1st (probably mid)
That's about where I'd be with it, but without knowing the pick for certain if my best guess was truly middle of the first I'd rather have Freeman.Freeman for me, but that pick ending up early could easily swing it the other way.