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No, they won't accept

You mean it went down in a league you used to be in??  I’d go ful Vontae Davis on that league asap 

I don't know why so many people are saying that this is a fair return (despite preferring CMC as they should). It isn't. This is a fraction of what it should cost for a guy like CMC, either that or th

14 hours ago, msudaisy26 said:

I have Gronk in 2 dynasties and have had trouble getting offers that are half of that. Well done. 

I gave up picks 8,9, 17 and Edelman for Gronk.  I guess we don't see eye to eye.

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2 minutes ago, Dez said:

I gave up picks 8,9, 17 and Edelman for Gronk.  I guess we don't see eye to eye.

You gave less for Gronk than he got for Gronk, that is more than half of what he got, but you get the idea.

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16 team graded PPR .5/.75/1.0

    Team A gave up Year 2017 Draft Pick 1.14
    Team B gave up Abdullah, Ameer DET RB; Year 2017 Draft Pick 2.12;Year 2017 Draft Pick 5.07

    Team A gave up Miller, Lamar HOU RB;Parker, DeVante MIA WR
    Team B gave up Cook, Dalvin MIN RB

 

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34 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

16 team graded PPR .5/.75/1.0

    Team A gave up Year 2017 Draft Pick 1.14
    Team B gave up Abdullah, Ameer DET RB; Year 2017 Draft Pick 2.12;Year 2017 Draft Pick 5.07

    Team A gave up Miller, Lamar HOU RB;Parker, DeVante MIA WR
    Team B gave up Cook, Dalvin MIN RB

 

First trade seems about right. Basically values Abdullah around pick 17 or 18,  which is somewhere around Jamaal Williams territory - very similar in a lot of ways, young guy who could take over a the lead back for a top offense

Second trade ill take cook. Feels like really good exit value for two guys whose stock could crater this year. If foreman takes a lead role in Houston and Parker doesn't become really good really soon it's going to be tough too get anything close to cook.  If they both play well,  you're still not going to get much more than cook.  

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1 hour ago, Hankmoody said:

16 team graded PPR .5/.75/1.0

    Team A gave up Year 2017 Draft Pick 1.14
    Team B gave up Abdullah, Ameer DET RB; Year 2017 Draft Pick 2.12;Year 2017 Draft Pick 5.07

    Team A gave up Miller, Lamar HOU RB;Parker, DeVante MIA WR
    Team B gave up Cook, Dalvin MIN RB

 

Abdullah

Miller/Parker

 

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16-team PPR, IDP

A gave: A. Abdullah

B gave: 2.12

C gave: 1.12, 2.03, 3.03, 4.03 & 2018 2nd

D gave: 1.01

16-team PPR, IDP Salary cap & contracts

A gave: 3.13, 5.13

B gave: Mark Ingram (2 yr contract @ 10% of salary cap)

C gave: 3.03, 4.03, 5.03

D gave: Tyler Eifert (1 yr contract @ 2.2% of cap)

16-team PPR, IDP, Devy (each team can roster 2 devys)

A gave: Brandin Cooks

B gave: Christian McCaffrey, 2.23, 3.19

C gave: 2018 #1 (mid?)

D gave: Ryan Tannehill

E gave: M. Gillislee

F gave: 2018 2nd

G gave: Michael Thomas

H gave: B. Powell, Sammy Watkins, Frank Clark

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15 minutes ago, matttyl said:

10 team non ppr with IDPs. Pretty standard non ppr scoring.

A gives #4 rookie pock

B gives Jarvis Landry and JJ Watt

Love watt but would probably have to take the 4 pick.  The 4 backs in this draft are so valuable in standard especially 10 team and Landry isn't nearly as valuable without ppr.  It probably depends on the idp rules. 

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1 hour ago, bostonfred said:

Love watt but would probably have to take the 4 pick.  The 4 backs in this draft are so valuable in standard especially 10 team and Landry isn't nearly as valuable without ppr.  It probably depends on the idp rules. 

IDP rules are pretty standard from what I've seen.  We start 1 qb, 1 rb, 2 wrs, 2 flex, 1 te, 1 k, 2 dbs, 2 lbs, 2 dls.  31 man rosters.  1 point per tackle, half point for assisted tackle, 3 points for each sack, forced fumble, recovery, or INT.  As a sack is still technically a tackle as well, you get the 1 point for the tackle as well as the 3 points for the sack.  So if your DL just has 2 sacks in the game and nothing else - all in that's 8 points. 

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23 hours ago, steelers1080 said:

With Stafford, Zeke, Bell, Dez, AJG, Gronk... you should win a championship this year.

Well, I had all those guys last year but didn't win...of course Gronk and AJG were hurt so that was partially why

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What sort of roster size in this league that only has an 8-position starting line-up? And how many teams in this league? Nice tp have this type of info in determining preference for one side or the other, and at times actual rosters of teams involved definitely comes into one's assessment of the swap.

 

Thanks, and have a great holiday weekend - Ace.

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6 minutes ago, lexus said:

What sort of roster size in this league that only has an 8-position starting line-up? And how many teams in this league? Nice tp have this type of info in determining preference for one side or the other, and at times actual rosters of teams involved definitely comes into one's assessment of the swap.

 

Thanks, and have a great holiday weekend - Ace.

The purpose of the thread really isn't to asses the trade, it's to catalog what trades are happening to gauge player value.  While there are frequent responses of which side people prefer, that's mostly along the lines of discussing player value vs. player value and not about how it may have helped the teams involved.  In most cases I don't care about rosters involved, I care mostly that someone would give DeVante Parker for Isiah Crowell.  I can't tell you how valuable this thread is for opening my eyes to what kind of value some players have or lose and lets me go hunt for guys I should pick up.  Shopping Tyreek Hill when he's going for mid-1sts, for example. 

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53 minutes ago, lexus said:

What sort of roster size in this league that only has an 8-position starting line-up? And how many teams in this league? Nice tp have this type of info in determining preference for one side or the other, and at times actual rosters of teams involved definitely comes into one's assessment of the swap.

 

Thanks, and have a great holiday weekend - Ace.

The purpose of the thread really isn't to asses the trade, it's to catalog what trades are happening to gauge player value.  While there are frequent responses of which side people prefer, that's mostly along the lines of discussing player value vs. player value and not about how it may have helped the teams involved.  In most cases I don't care about rosters involved, I care mostly that someone would give DeVante Parker for Isiah Crowell.  I can't tell you how valuable this thread is for opening my eyes to what kind of value some players have or lose and lets me go hunt for guys I should pick up.  Shopping Tyreek Hill when he's going for mid-1sts, for example. 

While I agree with your overall point - this is about values, not the rest of the roster; roster size absolutely impacts player value and should be mentioned along with lineups, PPR, IDP, etc.  All those impact value. (IDP doesn't matter so much in player for player but it has a huge impact with picks after the first round or so) 

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On 5/24/2017 at 5:48 AM, CabinFever said:

12 team dynasty. Finally moved Gronk, hated to do it but for this return I had to.

Got:
Foreman, D'Onta HOU RB
Diggs, Stefon MIN WR
Derby, A.J. DEN TE
Olsen, Greg CAR TE
Year 2018 Round 1 Draft Pick (early to mid is best guess)


I gave:
Hogan, Chris NEP WR
Thielen, Adam MIN WR
Woods, Robert LAR WR
Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE
Year 2018 Round 2 Draft Pick (mid is best guess)

 

On 5/24/2017 at 6:35 AM, TheBottomLine said:

At first I didn't love what you got but then I saw you really only lost Gronk.  Definitely a solid return.  

that's pretty much how I see it.  I don't love it for you but it's as good a deal as you'll find now.  I actually think Hogan has value but you got upgrades everywhere without downgrading too much to Olsen. 

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28 minutes ago, -OZ- said:

While I agree with your overall point - this is about values, not the rest of the roster; roster size absolutely impacts player value and should be mentioned along with lineups, PPR, IDP, etc.  All those impact value. (IDP doesn't matter so much in player for player but it has a huge impact with picks after the first round or so) 

I agree, but I see it as a pretty small difference player-wise.  If I saw a bunch of Hopkins for Ingram in 10 man leagues I'd still rush out to see where I have Ingram in 16 man leagues and if I can work out a Hopkins trade for him.  Definitely a bigger impact when discussing picks because an early 3rd in 10 man is a whole lot different than an early 3rd in 16 man and IDP throws the value scale of picks into overdrive.

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20 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

I agree, but I see it as a pretty small difference player-wise.  If I saw a bunch of Hopkins for Ingram in 10 man leagues I'd still rush out to see where I have Ingram in 16 man leagues and if I can work out a Hopkins trade for him.  Definitely a bigger impact when discussing picks because an early 3rd in 10 man is a whole lot different than an early 3rd in 16 man and IDP throws the value scale of picks into overdrive.

Sure, it's more of a factor in multiple player deals. 

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34 minutes ago, thriftyrocker said:

12 team 0.5 ppr idp Funchess for 3.2 took Kupp

I'm still holding out hope for Funchess but kupp easy. 

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1 hour ago, Nero said:

12 team ppr

gave Jamison Crowder

got Spencer Ware

I made this exact same trade about 3 months ago, I was the one that gave Ware then. If anything I think ware's value is likely a bit lower now due to Hunt so give me Crowder here comfortably now

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4 hours ago, lexus said:

What sort of roster size in this league that only has an 8-position starting line-up? And how many teams in this league? Nice tp have this type of info in determining preference for one side or the other, and at times actual rosters of teams involved definitely comes into one's assessment of the swap.

 

Thanks, and have a great holiday weekend - Ace.

Thanks Drinking Buddy - I appreciate the info, since originally I thought that Team A: was giving up RB Devonta Freeman and WR Corey Coleman for an upgrade to WR Amari Cooper, which I thought was a somewhat acceptable trade in a start 1 RB dynasty league. But then the thought struck me it might be RB D Freeman and RB Tevin Coleman (both from Atlanta) for WR Amari Cooper, which I thought was perhaps a swap which favored WR Cooper's former owner by getting a possible top 10 starting RB#1 and the back-up/handcuff for him as well. In this latter instance it seemed that Team A was probably solving a major personnel situation in getting the youthful WR Amari Cooper, while Team B was deep enough in this start 2 WR league to send WR Cooper away to Team A for the RB infusion he needed/wanted for his Team B. Obviously, the 32 player roster size here enables owners to have the flexibility to accumulate whatever mix of positional players they desire to roster in this 12 team IDP ppr Dynasty. 

My conclusion/preference is that I would readily exchange WR Amari Cooper for this pair of RBs rather easily - but would possibly be underselling Cooper for just Devonta Freeman and an as yet proven WR of Coleman's ilk. Sometimes more specific information about the identity of the players involved, makes the evaluation simpler and more accurate.

GL DB, whether you were Team A or Team B (or neither) in this instance.

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12 team PPR (1.25 for TE)

Picks 2,5,7,10 and a 2018 2nd

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Leveon Bell, Demarco Murray, and a 2019 1st (could be anywhere but best guess is in the 4-7 range with upside if he bombs on some of those picks)

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32 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

12 team PPR (1.25 for TE)

Picks 2,5,7,10 and a 2018 2nd

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Leveon Bell, Demarco Murray, and a 2019 1st (could be anywhere but best guess is in the 4-7 range with upside if he bombs on some of those picks)

Wow. Super cheap for Bell

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11 minutes ago, kutta said:

Wow. Super cheap for Bell

Is it? That could end up being something like Corey Davis, mccaffrey, Howard and engram in te premium, plus a 2018 second.  Could be a quick rebuild.

 It seems like 1.7 in te premium and a 2018 second is pretty easily enough to buy Murray and a 2019 first.  So it's picks 2, 5 and 10 for bell. I think reasonable people could prefer either side of that. 

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9 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

Is it? That could end up being something like Corey Davis, mccaffrey, Howard and engram in te premium, plus a 2018 second.  Could be a quick rebuild.

 It seems like 1.7 in te premium and a 2018 second is pretty easily enough to buy Murray and a 2019 first.  So it's picks 2, 5 and 10 for bell. I think reasonable people could prefer either side of that. 

it could work out well for the guy getting picks if he hits on all, but in general the guy getting multiple lottery tickets for a true stud doesn't win.  Reminds me a lot of my trading multiple 1sts for Tomlinson years ago, those picks turned out to be (IIRC) Kevin Jones, Roy Williams, Robert Woods, and Lee Evans - he didn't get Fitz or SJax.   Granted, Fournette, Cook, Howard and Engram sounds good today but the real likelihood of each hitting is around 50%.  So most likely scenario he gets something like one top 10 player at his position, one usable player, and two guys who don't do much. 

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1 minute ago, -OZ- said:

it could work out well for the guy getting picks if he hits on all, but in general the guy getting multiple lottery tickets for a true stud doesn't win.  Reminds me a lot of my trading multiple 1sts for Tomlinson years ago, those picks turned out to be (IIRC) Kevin Jones, Roy Williams, Robert Woods, and Lee Evans - he didn't get Fitz or SJax.  

In another league in Bell's rookie year I traded Foster for two lottery tickets which were Bell and a future 1st (which ended up being pick 2).  That kind of outlier works both ways. 

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Just now, ghostguy123 said:

In another league in Bell's rookie year I traded Foster for two lottery tickets which were Bell and a future 1st (which ended up being pick 2).  That kind of outlier works both ways. 

sure, it can be great.  but it's risky. 

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1 hour ago, lexus said:

Thanks Drinking Buddy - I appreciate the info, since originally I thought that Team A: was giving up RB Devonta Freeman and WR Corey Coleman for an upgrade to WR Amari Cooper, which I thought was a somewhat acceptable trade in a start 1 RB dynasty league. But then the thought struck me it might be RB D Freeman and RB Tevin Coleman (both from Atlanta) for WR Amari Cooper, which I thought was perhaps a swap which favored WR Cooper's former owner by getting a possible top 10 starting RB#1 and the back-up/handcuff for him as well. In this latter instance it seemed that Team A was probably solving a major personnel situation in getting the youthful WR Amari Cooper, while Team B was deep enough in this start 2 WR league to send WR Cooper away to Team A for the RB infusion he needed/wanted for his Team B. Obviously, the 32 player roster size here enables owners to have the flexibility to accumulate whatever mix of positional players they desire to roster in this 12 team IDP ppr Dynasty. 

My conclusion/preference is that I would readily exchange WR Amari Cooper for this pair of RBs rather easily - but would possibly be underselling Cooper for just Devonta Freeman and an as yet proven WR of Coleman's ilk. Sometimes more specific information about the identity of the players involved, makes the evaluation simpler and more accurate.

GL DB, whether you were Team A or Team B (or neither) in this instance.

Thanks for the feedback on this. I was not involved in the trade but it certainly sparked some discussion as to who won in our league. I'd take Cooper, as a top 10 dynasty asset vs. a top 20 + a handcuff, maybe flex. RB value is volatile. It could turn into a deangelo/stewart combo where neither is that valuable.

Dynasty PPR, 12 team, 32 man rosters with IDPs, start 1QB/1RB/2WR/2FLEX/1TE/1K/1DE/1DT/3LB/1S/1CB.

Team A trades:

RB ATL D. Freeman and RB ATL T. Coleman

Team B trades:

Amari Cooper

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11 minutes ago, -OZ- said:

sure, it can be great.  but it's risky. 

We are playing an imaginary football game by betting on what players will accumulate stats, and we have no say in what plays are called. If you don't like risks, you are doing it wrong. 

For the record I think that 2019 1st should have been left out or on the other side. 

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38 minutes ago, Drinkin Buddy said:

Thanks for the feedback on this. I was not involved in the trade but it certainly sparked some discussion as to who won in our league. I'd take Cooper, as a top 10 dynasty asset vs. a top 20 + a handcuff, maybe flex. RB value is volatile. It could turn into a deangelo/stewart combo where neither is that valuable.

Dynasty PPR, 12 team, 32 man rosters with IDPs, start 1QB/1RB/2WR/2FLEX/1TE/1K/1DE/1DT/3LB/1S/1CB.

Team A trades:

RB ATL D. Freeman and RB ATL T. Coleman

Team B trades:

Amari Cooper

Cooper easy

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1 hour ago, ghostguy123 said:

12 team PPR (1.25 for TE)

Picks 2,5,7,10 and a 2018 2nd

for

Leveon Bell, Demarco Murray, and a 2019 1st (could be anywhere but best guess is in the 4-7 range with upside if he bombs on some of those picks)

This feels about right. 1.2/1.5/1.10 for Bell. 1.7/2018 2 for Murray/2019 1.

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1 hour ago, msudaisy26 said:

We are playing an imaginary football game by betting on what players will accumulate stats, and we have no say in what plays are called. If you don't like risks, you are doing it wrong. 

For the record I think that 2019 1st should have been left out or on the other side. 

:lol: fair point.  

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3 hours ago, ghostguy123 said:

I traded for Bell here so MAYBE I am a little biased, but super cheap????  Umm, no

I think it's super cheap. Bell is one of a few difference makers in the league. To get him for picks that may or may not pan out in the long run is super cheap to me. I own DJ and wouldn't think of moving him for that.

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3 hours ago, bostonfred said:

Is it? That could end up being something like Corey Davis, mccaffrey, Howard and engram in te premium, plus a 2018 second.  Could be a quick rebuild.

 It seems like 1.7 in te premium and a 2018 second is pretty easily enough to buy Murray and a 2019 first.  So it's picks 2, 5 and 10 for bell. I think reasonable people could prefer either side of that. 

Yes, super cheap. Trading Bell for guys who have never taken an NFL snap is super cheap.

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9 minutes ago, kutta said:

Yes, super cheap. Trading Bell for guys who have never taken an NFL snap is super cheap.

 Ok.  Is there a price in picks that you would think is an overpay or is it just that you'd never trade bell for picks? 

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 Ok.  Is there a price in picks that you would think is an overpay or is it just that you'd never trade bell for picks? 

I'd have to think about it a bit, but I'd be hard-pressed to trade Bell for just picks. I'm a believer in having studs on my team, and I would just have a really hard time letting a Bell or DJ go for an unknown, no matter how many unknowns are offered.

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5 hours ago, ghostguy123 said:

12 team PPR (1.25 for TE)

Picks 2,5,7,10 and a 2018 2nd

for

Leveon Bell, Demarco Murray, and a 2019 1st (could be anywhere but best guess is in the 4-7 range with upside if he bombs on some of those picks)

Seems like a pretty even trade to me but if roster space was not an issue I would generally prefer the picks in a vacuum.

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15 minutes ago, kutta said:

I'd have to think about it a bit, but I'd be hard-pressed to trade Bell for just picks. I'm a believer in having studs on my team, and I would just have a really hard time letting a Bell or DJ go for an unknown, no matter how many unknowns are offered.

I can respect that.  But i think that's an important point to make when commenting on a trade like this, because the point of this thread is to guage trade value across leagues and your opinion is probably a pretty common one but also one that makes  your thoughts on what he's worth in picks pretty one dimensional.  

Some thoughts - If you're going to comment that picks 2, 5 and 7 are cheap for bell, I assume that means you'd pay four early picks. If you had bell would you trade him for the top five picks?  Like 1.1, 1.2. 1.3, 1.4 and 1.5? If you had the top 5 picks in this year's draft would you trade all five of them for bell?  Is there a price that's too high for you when acquiring a stud?

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