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haha jeez, i didnt know my seemingly inconsequential trade was gonna stir a hornets nest

 

a little context, start 1 qb, 1-2 rb, 3-5 wr, 1-2 te 4 IDPs(next season will have ability to start up to 3 rb)

His team has julio, zeke, and melvin gordon and little else (40 man roster), he really is just shedding anyone who isnt a difference maker for lotto tickets. Which is fine, imo, being middling is worse than being bad. 

My team in this league is a contender, I have very solid weekly starters, but my bench is thin with a mix of WW vets, mostly cut-able, and young upside guys.

RBs

Gurley, Shady, Crow, Perkins, and now West

WR

Evans, M Thomas, Nuk, A Rob, Treadwell, and now Garcon

TE are weak af, hoping to address this in the draft

JT, Fleener, Vance, Z Miller

 

Also through moves from last off season until now, I have picks; 1,5,7,19 I can surely hit on one of those *fingers crossed

 

So, I am ok with where this leaves me in terms of shipping those later picks. My team is a combination capable of winning now, even though quite young, but also I have several shots at top talent in this draft, and the roster room to keep them on ice while they develop assuming they arent instant contributors

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No, they won't accept

I don't know why so many people are saying that this is a fair return (despite preferring CMC as they should). It isn't. This is a fraction of what it should cost for a guy like CMC, either that or th

It's a bit much to say the trade should be overturned. It's just a bunch of junk for a bunch of junk.

9 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

It's certainly valid to say you prefer taking a stab at the late round picks and hoping to win the lotto.  I think where you lost everyone is with the "roster clogger" notion.  If anything that's an argument against the late round picks, not for them.  Isn't Tajae Sharpe a roster clogger?  Samie Coates?  These guys are just sitting on your bench and probably never going to be usable.  And those are two of the "hits".  That's not even accounting for the majority of players that just sit there forever before you can make any kind of decision on them.  

Most of these guys are 4th/5th round picks partially because they lack opportunity.  So in many cases you're waiting 2-3 years just to see them on the field the first time, while they sit on your bench the whole time undroppable because you don't want to miss out on their breakout even though the odds are heavily weighted against them amounting to anything.  Isn't that a massive roster clogger?

Regardless, I do also agree that maybe the picks are worth a bit more in that league where apparently everyone is drafting kickers and defenses in the first 3 rounds because, like Dr Octopus, many of those guys listed there were drafted much earlier in my leagues, often even in the 2nd round.

What else do you call a iffy WR2 and an average RB prospect that has a career YPC under 4.0 and less than 50 yds a game?  West is a stop gap at best.  It's not that those other guys aren't "cloggers" either just that they at least have that chance to become something bigger than what we generally know of a player.  You have to view those guys like Sharpe and Coates and the guys I mentioned as unknowns.  But they were getting hyped up in the offseason as great options for the offense and ceilings were expected to be high.  We didn't know at that moment what they would become, which I would agree that we now know they are roster cloggers.  Garcon has had only 2 seasons of 1000 yds (last year being one of them, and he moved to a much worse situation).  Maybe I'm just a Garcon/West hater and prefer those picks.  I wouldn't blame anyone for taking the vets in this case as well.  Just like you've mentioned I prefer the stab at some rookies, you seem to prefer the vets.  To each their own.  

Sidenote which I probably should have mentioned in my previous post:  All my leagues are 10 team so I never pick after 40 but it's the same type of player as those guys in the late 30's.  

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15 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

What else do you call a iffy WR2 and an average RB prospect that has a career YPC under 4.0 and less than 50 yds a game?  West is a stop gap at best.  It's not that those other guys aren't "cloggers" either just that they at least have that chance to become something bigger than what we generally know of a player.  You have to view those guys like Sharpe and Coates and the guys I mentioned as unknowns.  But they were getting hyped up in the offseason as great options for the offense and ceilings were expected to be high.  We didn't know at that moment what they would become, which I would agree that we now know they are roster cloggers.  Garcon has had only 2 seasons of 1000 yds (last year being one of them, and he moved to a much worse situation).  Maybe I'm just a Garcon/West hater and prefer those picks.  I wouldn't blame anyone for taking the vets in this case as well.  Just like you've mentioned I prefer the stab at some rookies, you seem to prefer the vets.  To each their own.  

But these are guys you considered a success as picks that late, IE guys that you think are still worth holding.  That's the definition of a roster clogger.  Coates is two years in and he's still stuck in that limbo of unknown where you're going to have to wait at least another year to determine if he's droppable or worth holding.  The guys you pick this year will be similar.  They'll be there in the 40's because of lack of opportunity, meaning they're going to be sitting there clogging your roster for the next 2-3 years before we even find out if they're good or not.

West is either going to run away with and seize the job while Dixon is out, or he's not and he's going to be cuttable.  We'll know that by week 5 or 6 of this year, not 3 years from now.

Garcon as the WR1 in SF is either going to be a solid starting option, or he's going to be cuttable.  We'll know that soon.  Not 3 years from now.

What will we know about these guys picked in the 40's half way through this season?  Probably nothing more than we know now.  We're years away from even being able to see them enough to make a decision on them.  That's a roster clogger.

Like I said if someone prefers the rooks that's their prerogative, not a big deal.  It's more the completely backwards mischaracterization of the vets (rather than the rooks) being the roster cloggers that stood out to me.  It's like someone saying they prefer Garcon to Edelman because Garcon has a much better QB.  It's totally backwards from reality.

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0.5 PPR, 6 points all TDs.  Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 1TE, 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE), 1K, 1DEF; 24 man roster limit during regular season with 2 IR spots

Completed these trades during the draft. The Rate-My-Team feature had my team as slightly below average heading into the draft (7th or 8th I think) and I didn't really feel like I had a team that could compete with the top 2 or 3 teams in the league. I have the 8th best team in my league post draft according to the footballguys.com rate-my-team tool.

Two players I tried to trade but ended up keeping were Lamar Miller and Adrian Peterson.  Miller could have fetched value comparable to a late 1st round pick in my league and Peterson late 2nd round pick value since this thread really is more about assessing what kind of value a player can get then "did I improve my team?".

1. Gave: Ameer Abdullah, C.J. Prosise, 2.02 pick (Zay Jones), and 4.02 pick (re-traded)

Got: 1.06 pick (Mike Williams), 3.04 (re-traded), and 4.06 pick (Aaron Jones)

2. Gave: DeSean Jackson

Got: 2.08 pick (re-traded)

3. Gave: Hunter Henry

Got: Davante Adams

The one trade I find myself second guessing. I had Jimmy Graham and Delanie Walker as well at the time and no one was willing to give up their second round pick for Delanie. I think Graham could be top 10 fantasy TE for another 3 to 5 years and I thought I could probably get Gerald Everett as a risk/reward TE at 3.02 (which turned out to be wrong, he went 3.01) so I made the deal.

4. Gave: Kevin White, Phillip Dorsett, Kevin Farrow

Got: 1.11 pick (Alvin Kamara), Tyler Boyd, 4.11 pick (re-traded).

5. Gave: Donte Moncrief, Delanie Walker, 2.08 pick (Chris Godwin), 3.04 rookie pick (re-traded)

Got: Dalvin Cook (acquired him after he was drafted; 2.04 was on the clock), 2.04 pick (JuJu Smith-Schuster)

6. Gave: Chris Conley

Got: 2.10 pick (Marlon Mack)

and doesn't really belong in this thread but I get offered guys like Morris/Washington in trades where I'd be an idiot to accept and I think this is roughly the kind of value those guys have so

7. Gave: 4.11 pick (Matt Breida), Alfred Morris, and Dwayne Washington

Got: 4.10 pick (DeDe Westbrook)

Unlimited roster size until August 29th when owners have to cut down to 24 players. First Waivers are September 2nd and free agency pickups can start September 3rd. The other owner has Ezekiel Elliot so Morris gives him a bit of insurance during the off season in the event Elliot gets hurt I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the other owner cut both players when it's time to cut down to 24 players.  I definitely would have cut Washington and likely would have eventually cut Morris at some point during the season.

 

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On 6/12/2017 at 8:29 PM, Gianluca said:

 

12 Team PPR

I just traded Donte Moncrief for 1.9 and CPatterson

 

gives me 1.4 - 1.6 - 1.7 - 1.9 - 1.10

 

wr - Julio Cooks Tyreek Sterling Shepard 

So as above I traded Moncrief for 1.9. I just now sent that 1.9 and Eli Rogers for Keenan Allen. 

Leaves me with 1.4/1.6/1.7/1.10 for picks

Julio/Cooks/Keenan/Tyreek/Shepard at WR so I'm still in good shape imo 

 

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12 minutes ago, Gianluca said:

So as above I traded Moncrief for 1.9. I just now sent that 1.9 and Eli Rogers for Keenan Allen. 

Leaves me with 1.4/1.6/1.7/1.10 for picks

Julio/Cooks/Keenan/Tyreek/Shepard at WR so I'm still in good shape imo 

 

Moncreif and rogers for Keenan? I like it for you, assuming Allen can play more than 1/2 a game. 

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2 hours ago, Snorkelson said:

Moncreif and rogers for Keenan? I like it for you, assuming Allen can play more than 1/2 a game. 

Yeah hope he can survive for a half of a season and preferably the 2nd half for a championship run lol

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5. Gave: Donte Moncrief, Delanie Walker, 2.08 pick (Chris Godwin), 3.04 rookie pick (re-traded)

Got: Dalvin Cook (acquired him after he was drafted; 2.04 was on the clock), 2.04 pick (JuJu Smith-Schuster)

Yikes.  You got the top 2 pieces in the deal for fifty cents on the dollar..

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On 6/15/2017 at 11:24 PM, kittenmittens said:

Yeah, if you're going to trade OBJ you can do better than that.  At least get Amari Cooper or Mike Evans or another young guy who has a good young QB throwing to him.  

Bortles is not cutting it, and I don't know how much the Jaguars are going to throw if they can play their way.

I think it was a fair return and I wouldn't trade Evans for OBJ straight up, you would have to add to OBJ. 

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2 hours ago, Spike said:

Yikes.  You got the top 2 pieces in the deal for fifty cents on the dollar..

Moncrief only worth a 2nd rounder ?  Yikes on that logic.

http://playffwc.com/football/leagueF1000046/index.php?page=teamdraft

In this DFWC startup Moncrief went in the 4th round and JuJu in the 12th.

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1 minute ago, Dez said:

Moncrief no longer worth a 2nd rounder ?  Yikes on that logic.

Averages in his 3 seasons:

42 receptions; 495 yards; 5 TDs

Is that what I should expect from a 2nd rounder?  Is that 2nd round value?

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Averages in his 3 seasons:

42 receptions; 495 yards; 5 TDs

Is that what I should expect from a 2nd rounder?  Is that 2nd round value?

Injuries, brutha!  Not only to him, but to his young, blue chip QB as well.  JuJu may well be the real deal but he is battling Eli Rogers to be the WR3 on his own team - and his QB is flirting with retirement.  The FBG composite dynasty WR rankings have Moncreif at 22 and JuJu at 41.  Even if you personally like JuJu better, the consensus seems to disagree, meaning that the values in that trade are different to most than they are to you personally.  I get that you are just stating your own opinion, and the fact that it differs from consensus is actually awesome - we need more of that IMO.  But for most, Moncreif is worth a lot more than 2.04, or JuJu.

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12 team PPR. I'm not involved.

Team A gets Perkins, Paul NYG RB and Coleman, Corey CLE WR


Team B gets Diggs, Stefon MIN WR and Jones, Marvin DET WR

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1 hour ago, kutta said:

12 team PPR. I'm not involved.

Team A gets Perkins, Paul NYG RB and Coleman, Corey CLE WR


Team B gets Diggs, Stefon MIN WR and Jones, Marvin DET WR

For me it's Coleman > Diggs and Perkins > Marvin so I'll take team A.

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2 hours ago, kutta said:

12 team PPR. I'm not involved.

Team A gets Perkins, Paul NYG RB and Coleman, Corey CLE WR


Team B gets Diggs, Stefon MIN WR and Jones, Marvin DET WR

Perkins and Coleman by a mile. 

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16 ppr league (1.25 ppr for TE/ .2/re yd for TE  ----   1 ppr for RB/WR/   .1/re yd for TE)

 

Some moves I've made.

traded #20 rookie pick (guy took Engram)  for #28, #44, and Brate

traded #28 rookie and Marcel Dareus for #23, took McNichols

 

 

 

Some other trades that were made by other owners in the league

 

Aaron Rodgers for Luck and #8 rookie pick

Adams, Davante WR GB and #43 rookie for Derrick Henry and #50 rookie

Tyreek Hill and Eli Rogers for Sammy Watkins

Langford, Jeremy, Ginn, Ted and Pick #30 for Hurns, Allen, Crowell, Isaiah and Pick 54

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1 hour ago, Unwrittenlaw said:

16 ppr league (1.25 ppr for TE/ .2/re yd for TE  ----   1 ppr for RB/WR/   .1/re yd for TE)

 

Some moves I've made.

traded #20 rookie pick (Engram)  for #28, #44, and Brate

traded #28 rookie and Marcel Dareus for #23, took McNichols

 

 

 

Some other trades that were made by other owners in the league

 

Aaron Rodgers for Luck and #8 rookie pick

Adams, Davante WR GB and #43 rookie for Derrick Henry and #50 rookie

Tyreek Hill and Eli Rogers for Sammy Watkins

Langford, Jeremy, Ginn, Ted and Pick #30 for Hurns, Allen, Crowell, Isaiah and Pick 54

If I'm understanding the scoring right, double yards for te and 1.25 ppr, then how in the hell did Engram drop to 20 and why would you not snap him up? Engram my a country mile on your trades.

Otherwise

Luck and pick by a fair amount

Adams by a lot

Sammy by a ton

Hurns/Crowell by a massive amount

 

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4 hours ago, Unwrittenlaw said:

16 ppr league (1.25 ppr for TE/ .2/re yd for TE  ----   1 ppr for RB/WR/   .1/re yd for TE)

 

Some moves I've made.

traded #20 rookie pick (guy took Engram)  for #28, #44, and Brate

traded #28 rookie and Marcel Dareus for #23, took McNichols

 

 

 

Some other trades that were made by other owners in the league

 

Aaron Rodgers for Luck and #8 rookie pick

Adams, Davante WR GB and #43 rookie for Derrick Henry and #50 rookie

Tyreek Hill and Eli Rogers for Sammy Watkins

Langford, Jeremy, Ginn, Ted and Pick #30 for Hurns, Allen, Crowell, Isaiah and Pick 54

None of this makes any sense

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1 hour ago, jadensdad said:

Ppr superflex 

team a - dalvin cook, devante Parker, witten

team b - deshaun Watson, kamara, rudolf, Texans d, 2018 first ( mid to late) and 4th

 

I don't even like Cook or Parker and I'll take that side.  

Also sidenote:  Love when trades involve defenses, cause obviously that makes or breaks it, same with adding a 4th at the end.  

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3 hours ago, jadensdad said:

Ppr superflex 

team a - dalvin cook, devante Parker, witten

team b - deshaun Watson, kamara, rudolf, Texans d, 2018 first ( mid to late) and 4th

 

Man if that's what it means to play in superflex count me out.

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4 hours ago, garlicduck said:

12 team PPR; start 1 QB, 2-4 RB, 2-4 WR, 1-3 TE, D, K

Gave: Andy Dalton, Dez Bryant, Jalen Richard, Zach Ertz

Got: Blake Bortles, Rob Gronkowski, Dwayne Allen, Stefon Diggs

Gronk and Diggs

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6 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

Man if that's what it means to play in superflex count me out.

:shrug: could see someone preferring Watson to cook in superflex, at least it's not as large a difference as normal leagues. The rest seems fairly even. Rudy over witten, the pick and kamara over parker, Texans d probably the best defense so that helps even if we don't care about defense. 

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4 hours ago, jadensdad said:

Would you like it better if it was 1.5 and devante Parker for 1.6, 1.9, Rudolph and 18 first?

in superflex qb's are gold.  

I think that's the point he's trying to make.

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4 hours ago, jadensdad said:

Would you like it better if it was 1.5 and devante Parker for 1.6, 1.9, Rudolph and 18 first?

in superflex qb's are gold.  

No.  I wouldn't give up Cook for any combination of 1.06 and 1.09 on my list, let alone the donkeys listed.  And I'd easily give a playoff 2018 1st and Rudolph for Parker (I offered exactly that recently for him and was rejected).

 

10 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:
4 hours ago, jadensdad said:

Would you like it better if it was 1.5 and devante Parker for 1.6, 1.9, Rudolph and 18 first?

in superflex qb's are gold.  

I think that's the point he's trying to make.

Close, I was trying to make the point that they are fool's gold.  If I have to give 1.05 for Kamara and Watson just to try to stay competitive I want no part of that.  That trade equates to 1.05 for 1.11 and 1.14 in the most extreme 16 man draft I was in - most were much less (19 and 20 in one, 13/26, and 15/21 - for Cook!).  I get that that's the market price for a QB, it's just absurd. 

I also don't get drafting Cook at 1.05 and turning around and downgrading him a minute later. 

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22 hours ago, msudaisy26 said:

I think it was a fair return and I wouldn't trade Evans for OBJ straight up, you would have to add to OBJ. 

Agreed, I prefer Evans straight up too. I don't own Cooper anywhere but that's because his asking price is sky high. I'm sure his owners wouldn't mind upgrading to OBJ but I doubt they would add anything of significant value to do so.

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2 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

No.  I wouldn't give up Cook for any combination of 1.06 and 1.09 on my list, let alone the donkeys listed.  And I'd easily give a playoff 2018 1st and Rudolph for Parker (I offered exactly that recently for him and was rejected).

 

Close, I was trying to make the point that they are fool's gold.  If I have to give 1.05 for Kamara and Watson just to try to stay competitive I want no part of that.  That trade equates to 1.05 for 1.11 and 1.14 in the most extreme 16 man draft I was in - most were much less (19 and 20 in one, 13/26, and 15/21 - for Cook!).  I get that that's the market price for a QB, it's just absurd. 

I also don't get drafting Cook at 1.05 and turning around and downgrading him a minute later. 

My first deal that has been crushed by this board.  Oh well....

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1 minute ago, jadensdad said:

My first deal that has been crushed by this board.  Oh well....

Not crushing it at all.  I said exactly the opposite - "I get that that's the market price for a QB" so I don't think you overpaid given the context of the league.

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4 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

 I get that that's the market price for a QB, it's just absurd. 

Things real GMs say? 

To each their own.  But one of the aspects of ff that I've disliked is the value/price of good RB.  Superflex at least lowers that value a tad and makes the positional values closer (real : fantasy)

I haven't played in a superflex in a decade but want to get back into one. 

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36 minutes ago, -OZ- said:

Things real GMs say? 

To each their own.  But one of the aspects of ff that I've disliked is the value/price of good RB.  Superflex at least lowers that value a tad and makes the positional values closer (real : fantasy)

I haven't played in a superflex in a decade but want to get back into one. 

They are a lot more fun.  I only play superflex or 2 qb now, with bigger starting lineup requirements.  Depth and quality of talent reign supreme.  

 

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In my rookie draft I was able to trade 1.04 for the 1.07 and DeMarco Murray.  The best part was since RB's in the draft are treated like gold, Corey Davis fell to me at 1.07.  Crazy as this is a PPR league.

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9 minutes ago, Tha Guru said:

In my rookie draft I was able to trade 1.04 for the 1.07 and DeMarco Murray.  The best part was since RB's in the draft are treated like gold, Corey Davis fell to me at 1.07.  Crazy as this is a PPR league.

I couldn't even get Davis to fall to 1.02 in two leagues or 1.04 in another.

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2 hours ago, Tha Guru said:

In my rookie draft I was able to trade 1.04 for the 1.07 and DeMarco Murray.  The best part was since RB's in the draft are treated like gold, Corey Davis fell to me at 1.07.  Crazy as this is a PPR league.

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2 hours ago, Tha Guru said:

In my rookie draft I was able to trade 1.04 for the 1.07 and DeMarco Murray.  The best part was since RB's in the draft are treated like gold, Corey Davis fell to me at 1.07.  Crazy as this is a PPR league.

How did 1.01-1.06 go?

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12 Team PPR. Start 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 3 Flex.

Gave: Perkins and Hill

Got: Landry 

Perkins was my RB 3 or 4. Now have Howard, Henry, Hill, Ware, Sims, Burkhead.

Tyreek was my WR 5/6. Now have Evans, Hopkins, Hilton, Adams, Landry, Sanders, White, Wallace, Shepard, Fuller.

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19 minutes ago, JoeSteeler said:

How did 1.01-1.06 go?

I'll guess...

 

top 4 some combo of Fournette, Mixon, McCaffrey, Cook.

and then Perine and Hunt.

 

did I win? ;)

 

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20 minutes ago, jeaton6 said:

12 Team PPR. Start 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 3 Flex.

Gave: Perkins and Hill

Got: Landry 

Perkins was my RB 3 or 4. Now have Howard, Henry, Hill, Ware, Sims, Burkhead.

Tyreek was my WR 5/6. Now have Evans, Hopkins, Hilton, Adams, Landry, Sanders, White, Wallace, Shepard, Fuller.

I prefer the duo 

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