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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (18 Viewers)

Zyphros said:
FFPC startup draft these 2 happened today, our draft is still a week out.

2.07 and 8.07

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3.10 and 4.03

Other trade (not the same owners as the first one, totally different 4 owners):

6.09

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2018 1st
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These are probably about right on value.

On the first it sounds like a lot to move up just one round, but that seems to be the going rate.  In my FFPC startup someone gave up a 1st to move from late 3rd to late 2nd.  There is a pretty big dropoff in that early 3rd range that most people are trying to get ahead of.

On the second, a sixth seems to be the consensus value on a 2018 1st (even to the point where when people are using trade calculators to measure trades, they're subbing in the "points" from a 6th round pick for a future 1st).  That said, I take the 1st here by a lot.  One of the things I like to do with these is sub in the players for the picks and see how it lines up in established leagues.  When you look at the actual players being taken there most of them aren't guys that are pulling back future firsts.  For instance in my league 6.09 was Jordan Matthews.  No one is giving a 2018 1st for Jordan Matthews right now. 

Going back my biggest regret from my FFPC startup is not trading for future picks enough.  I probably could have gotten a 2018 1st AND 2018 2nd for my 5.04 before the draft, but it sounded like a valuable pick.  In the end I ended up settling on Donte Moncrief there, who most people would value far below a 2018 1st+2nd.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
These are probably about right on value.

On the first it sounds like a lot to move up just one round, but that seems to be the going rate.  In my FFPC startup someone gave up a 1st to move from late 3rd to late 2nd.  There is a pretty big dropoff in that early 3rd range that most people are trying to get ahead of.

On the second, a sixth seems to be the consensus value on a 2018 1st (even to the point where when people are using trade calculators to measure trades, they're subbing in the "points" from a 6th round pick for a future 1st).  That said, I take the 1st here by a lot.  One of the things I like to do with these is sub in the players for the picks and see how it lines up in established leagues.  When you look at the actual players being taken there most of them aren't guys that are pulling back future firsts.  For instance in my league 6.09 was Jordan Matthews.  No one is giving a 2018 1st for Jordan Matthews right now. 

Going back my biggest regret from my FFPC startup is not trading for future picks enough.  I probably could have gotten a 2018 1st AND 2018 2nd for my 5.04 before the draft, but it sounded like a valuable pick.  In the end I ended up settling on Donte Moncrief there, who most people would value far below a 2018 1st+2nd.
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Agreed on the value being right. Value of a future first for a startup pick has changed considerably over the years, at least in FFPC leagues. To be exact it changed after the success of the 2014 class.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
These are probably about right on value.

On the first it sounds like a lot to move up just one round, but that seems to be the going rate.  In my FFPC startup someone gave up a 1st to move from late 3rd to late 2nd.  There is a pretty big dropoff in that early 3rd range that most people are trying to get ahead of.

On the second, a sixth seems to be the consensus value on a 2018 1st (even to the point where when people are using trade calculators to measure trades, they're subbing in the "points" from a 6th round pick for a future 1st).  That said, I take the 1st here by a lot.  One of the things I like to do with these is sub in the players for the picks and see how it lines up in established leagues.  When you look at the actual players being taken there most of them aren't guys that are pulling back future firsts.  For instance in my league 6.09 was Jordan Matthews.  No one is giving a 2018 1st for Jordan Matthews right now. 

Going back my biggest regret from my FFPC startup is not trading for future picks enough.  I probably could have gotten a 2018 1st AND 2018 2nd for my 5.04 before the draft, but it sounded like a valuable pick.  In the end I ended up settling on Donte Moncrief there, who most people would value far below a 2018 1st+2nd.
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Not to turn it into an AC discussion but, I did the same thing of sub in players on my ranking sheet in that 6th round range and the guys I see possibly available are like Golden Tate, Jordan Matthews like you said, Crabtree, Sanders, Matt Forte, Bilal Powell none of whom are very interesting.  I'll definitely be trying to work that trade now, thanks.  

 
@FreeBaGeL Where did the QB's go in your FFPC startup?  Again I don't want this to be considered AC but it wouldn't let me message you so... next best thing since you mentioned it in your post.  

 
Zyphros said:
@FreeBaGeL Where did the QB's go in your FFPC startup?  Again I don't want this to be considered AC but it wouldn't let me message you so... next best thing since you mentioned it in your post.  
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QBs went very late in mine.

3.11 - Luck
4.10 - Rodgers
7.2 - Wilson
8.3 - Brady
8.5 - Carr

Those were the first 5 off the board.  Guys like Rivers/Big Ben went in the 15th.

Someone else had an FFPC draft on here somewhere where QBs went much earlier though, so I guess even in the same settings it can vary pretty heavily from draft to draft.

 
Zyphros said:
Not to turn it into an AC discussion but, I did the same thing of sub in players on my ranking sheet in that 6th round range and the guys I see possibly available are like Golden Tate, Jordan Matthews like you said, Crabtree, Sanders, Matt Forte, Bilal Powell none of whom are very interesting.  I'll definitely be trying to work that trade now, thanks.  
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I think 6.9 is about right. The issue with the above is 1) no one is ranking guys like forte or powell around Pick 70. 2) There are always players that unexpectedly fall in that range and a guy you have as top 50 is sitting there. 3) June MFL ADP for actual drafts has rookies 7-12 at picks 70-90 (Howard, Kamara, Perrine, Ross, Hunt, Njoku). So why move a pick that could easily be one of those guys (or an expected top 50 vet that falls) for a future completely random 2018 1? I get moving late 1sts in established leagues for future 1sts that you can relatively well predict a range of where they'll end up but I'd much rather sit on the pick til draft starts than deal it to someone predraft that is likely going more win now. At least during the draft you can get a feel for where things are going. Moving the 6.9 for a future 1 at a minimum will likely be on the table whenever you want to take it (at a minimum).

 
Well that went really fast.  Thanks to Freebagel, Just offered my 5th (5.07 startup draft) FFPC and got a 2018 1st and 2nd.  Done deal.

 
Zyphros said:
Well that went really fast.  Thanks to Freebagel, Just offered my 5th (5.07 startup draft) FFPC and got a 2018 1st and 2nd.  Done deal.
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When is Draft? Report back on who was there at 5.7! Interested to see how it works out for you.

 
jeaton6 said:
When is Draft? Report back on who was there at 5.7! Interested to see how it works out for you.
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Draft is in a week, and I definitely will be making a note of it.  There were 6 offers in my inbox from 6 different owners all trying to move around for the start up draft, so I figured I'd join the 1 other owner in setting my window up in the long haul vs. the short term.  That was one of my motivating factors to doing it.  

 
Zyphros said:
Draft is in a week, and I definitely will be making a note of it.  There were 6 offers in my inbox from 6 different owners all trying to move around for the start up draft, so I figured I'd join the 1 other owner in setting my window up in the long haul vs. the short term.  That was one of my motivating factors to doing it.  
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I've been a fan of those moves but only when you're reasonably sure the leagues will last.  It's very disappointing to load yourself up for the future and have the league fold.  If these were FFPC they probably last. 

 
Zyphros said:
Draft is in a week, and I definitely will be making a note of it.  There were 6 offers in my inbox from 6 different owners all trying to move around for the start up draft, so I figured I'd join the 1 other owner in setting my window up in the long haul vs. the short term.  That was one of my motivating factors to doing it.  
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I do love that strategy tbh. I've done 2 startups this year and in my favorite I'm sitting on Wentz/Dak/Cousins/McCaffrey/Mixon/Cook/Riddick/Davis/Hill/Ross/Martavis/Doctson/Bryant/Lockett/Samuel/Juju/Howard/6 2018 1's/5 2018 2's.

Could be rough this year but you just never know. And even if it is plenty to like next year.

 
jeaton6 said:
I do love that strategy tbh. I've done 2 startups this year and in my favorite I'm sitting on Wentz/Dak/Cousins/McCaffrey/Mixon/Cook/Riddick/Davis/Hill/Ross/Martavis/Doctson/Bryant/Lockett/Samuel/Juju/Howard/6 2018 1's/5 2018 2's.

Could be rough this year but you just never know. And even if it is plenty to like next year.
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That's a team that could either rock in a few years or keep you building for a decade.  Love the idea of going for it like that, at the least you should have tradeable commodities.  I'll always remember doing the same but then trading 4 1sts for Tomlinson, back in 2002. Those 1sts didn't amount to much.  

 
-OZ- said:
That's a team that could either rock in a few years or keep you building for a decade.  Love the idea of going for it like that, at the least you should have tradeable commodities.  I'll always remember doing the same but then trading 4 1sts for Tomlinson, back in 2002. Those 1sts didn't amount to much.  
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Yep totally agreed. I did something similar last year (but not that extreme) and was able to turn my future assets into Zeke/Bell/Cooks/Gurley/Henry/Green/Shepard/White/Perriman this offseason. The team was 3-10 and I've turned 90% of my team over just this offseason (it helps having active trade partners). That team now has Luck/Mariota/Bell/Zeke/Gurley/Coleman/Henry/Green/Hopkins/Cooks/Crowder/Cobb/Meredith/Shepard/White/Perriman/Eifert and still 3 2018 1 and 3 2019 1's.

In a more mature/less active league it's tough to do.

 
One of the new trends that seems to be going around is trading back a bunch to load up on 2018 1sts and then drafting the older lesser valued players to contend in the meantime.

I think the guy in the league I've been talking about did a really good job of it.  He has 5 2018 1st round picks and I would say his team is a top contender in the short term in spite of that.  Here's his roster (just the first few guys at each position to save space) alongside his 5 1sts next year.  PPR, TE premium scoring.

QB: Stafford, Big Ben
RB: D Murray, Abdullah, Riddick, Kamara, Forte
WR: Jordy, Baldwin, Sanders, Crowder, DJax
TE: Olsen, Ertz

 
Trading your 5th round pick for a future first in a startup is probably a bad idea, unless you make trades and collect several future firsts.

You not only put yourself at a disadvantage from the start, you also greatly increase the chances that the 1st you got will be late

 
ghostguy123 said:
Trading your 5th round pick for a future first in a startup is probably a bad idea, unless you make trades and collect several future firsts.

You not only put yourself at a disadvantage from the start, you also greatly increase the chances that the 1st you got will be late
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Josh Docston
Laquon Treadwell
Brandon Marshall
Cj Anderson
Spencer Ware
Travis Kelce
Willie Snead
Mark Ingram
Kevin White
John Brown
Devontae Booker

That is last year's 5th round via startup ADP.  There are what, two guys in there (Kelce and Docston) that could still pull a future 1st today?  Kelce is the only 1 of the 12 that has seen his value increase since then.  2 (Docston/Snead) have held relatively steady and experienced only a small drop.  The rest (9 out of 12) have all dropped by 2+ rounds in ADP this year, and statistically you're more likely to pick a guy there who drops by 6+ rounds (4 out of 12) than you are to get a guy who's value holds steady or improves.

None of that is even accounting for the 2nd round pick as well.

I agree in general the more dart throws the better, but people neglect just how major of a dart throw those 5th rounders are.  That's not to say a future pick isn't as well, but the upside is massively higher as is the floor (even if it becomes 1.12 it's not moving anywhere near those major busts like Booker).  And again, that's not accounting for the additional 2nd round dart throw.  I'm not saying it's the right move for everyone, but it can make a lot of sense.  We're talking an 8.3% success rate on the pick last year, and only even a 25% chance of getting someone that holds his value steady.

Tj Yeldon
Arian Foster
Jarvis Landry
Dorial Green-Beckham
Giovanni Bernard
Cam Newton
Michael Floyd
Breshad Perriman
Mark Ingram
Jeremy Maclin
Ameer Abdullah
Brandon Marshall
Alfred Morris

That's 2015.
 

 
2017 ADP data has these guys in the 5th round according to fantasyfootballcalculator, none of which I would pay a 1st for except maybe Crowell.  Either way I feel confident in my capability to draft a solid team while missing a 5th.  

Randall Cobb

Derek Carr

Isaiah Crowell

Corey Coleman

Spencer Ware

Kenneth Dixon

Stefon Diggs

Marcus Mariota

Terrelle Pryor

CJ Anderson

Cam Newton

Tyreek Hill

ghostguy123 said:
Trading your 5th round pick for a future first in a startup is probably a bad idea, unless you make trades and collect several future firsts.

You not only put yourself at a disadvantage from the start, you also greatly increase the chances that the 1st you got will be late
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Working on more trades now to get into '18 as well.  Either way I'm confident in my drafting both in the startup and '18 rookie draft.  Could be my downfall for overconfidence but I like chances like that.  

 
Zyphros said:
2017 ADP data has these guys in the 5th round according to fantasyfootballcalculator, none of which I would pay a 1st for except maybe Crowell.  Either way I feel confident in my capability to draft a solid team while missing a 5th.  

Randall Cobb

Derek Carr

Isaiah Crowell

Corey Coleman

Spencer Ware

Kenneth Dixon

Stefon Diggs

Marcus Mariota

Terrelle Pryor

CJ Anderson

Cam Newton

Tyreek Hill

Working on more trades now to get into '18 as well.  Either way I'm confident in my drafting both in the startup and '18 rookie draft.  Could be my downfall for overconfidence but I like chances like that.  
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Mariota, carr, hill, crow and coleman are all worth 1sts imo. I still agree with your premise. 

 
ghostguy123 said:
Trading your 5th round pick for a future first in a startup is probably a bad idea, unless you make trades and collect several future firsts.

You not only put yourself at a disadvantage from the start, you also greatly increase the chances that the 1st you got will be late
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If done well you also increase the chance that your 1st is very high.  But that would need to be your plan from the start.  The trend bagel mentions is interesting and could work but the two 1sts you now own have a better chance of both being late.  I don't think I'd go that route unless there's too much value in older guys dropping. 

 
Zyphros said:
2017 ADP data has these guys in the 5th round according to fantasyfootballcalculator, none of which I would pay a 1st for except maybe Crowell.  Either way I feel confident in my capability to draft a solid team while missing a 5th.  

Randall Cobb

Derek Carr

Isaiah Crowell

Corey Coleman

Spencer Ware

Kenneth Dixon

Stefon Diggs

Marcus Mariota

Terrelle Pryor

CJ Anderson

Cam Newton

Tyreek Hill

Working on more trades now to get into '18 as well.  Either way I'm confident in my drafting both in the startup and '18 rookie draft.  Could be my downfall for overconfidence but I like chances like that.  
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Who's drafting Dixon in the 5th? 

 
Snorkelson said:
Who's drafting Dixon in the 5th? 
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I would take him around there.  Maybe a little later but not much.

He seemed to have earned the starting running back job last year. 

They didn't draft anyone to compete.

They knew he was getting suspended early and they didn't bring in any of the top free agent backs, even for a visit.

He runs with power and breaks tackles but is also elusive and catches the ball well, so he could be a 3 down back.

He plays the Browns and Colts at home in weeks 15 and 16 this year. 

 
Of course, people see what they want to see.  Check out these headlines.

Terrance West: Projected starter for Ravens

BAL expected to use 3-headed monster at ...

DANNY WOODHEAD TO LEAD THREE-HEADED MONSTER BACKFIELD IN BALTIMORE?

Ravens | Kenneth Dixon to have big role?

Ravens | Terrance West the Week 1 starter?

All of them cite the exact same two paragraphs from this article by Ryan Mink from BaltimoreRavens.com:

Projected Starters

The Ravens could employ a three-headed monster this season. West led the Ravens in rushing attempts (193), yards (774) and touchdowns (five rushing, one receiving) last season. While some of those carries will go to Woodhead, the newly-signed veteran may be used more in the passing game. Woodhead has only topped 100 carries once, and isn't best served as a bell-cow back. Dixon flashed as a rookie and could see a bigger role this year, but that will have to come after a four-game suspension to start the season.

Key Role Players

Taliaferro is being shifted into a fullback/halfback role after Kyle Juszczyk left for San Francisco in free agency. The big-bodied bruiser has experience doing it in college and has the right mindset for the job. If he can stay healthy, he could be a valuable Swiss-Army knife in the backfield. Woodhead will be a chain-moving, mismatch-making dynamo who could line up anywhere in the offense.
 

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Josh Docston
Laquon Treadwell
Brandon Marshall
Cj Anderson
Spencer Ware
Travis Kelce
Willie Snead
Mark Ingram
Kevin White
John Brown
Devontae Booker

That is last year's 5th round via startup ADP.  There are what, two guys in there (Kelce and Docston) that could still pull a future 1st today?  Kelce is the only 1 of the 12 that has seen his value increase since then.  2 (Docston/Snead) have held relatively steady and experienced only a small drop.  The rest (9 out of 12) have all dropped by 2+ rounds in ADP this year, and statistically you're more likely to pick a guy there who drops by 6+ rounds (4 out of 12) than you are to get a guy who's value holds steady or improves.

None of that is even accounting for the 2nd round pick as well.

I agree in general the more dart throws the better, but people neglect just how major of a dart throw those 5th rounders are.  That's not to say a future pick isn't as well, but the upside is massively higher as is the floor (even if it becomes 1.12 it's not moving anywhere near those major busts like Booker).  And again, that's not accounting for the additional 2nd round dart throw.  I'm not saying it's the right move for everyone, but it can make a lot of sense.  We're talking an 8.3% success rate on the pick last year, and only even a 25% chance of getting someone that holds his value steady.

Tj Yeldon
Arian Foster
Jarvis Landry
Dorial Green-Beckham
Giovanni Bernard
Cam Newton
Michael Floyd
Breshad Perriman
Mark Ingram
Jeremy Maclin
Ameer Abdullah
Brandon Marshall
Alfred Morris

That's 2015.
 
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Looking at ADP is a bit of a naive way to view that.  Someone trading their own future 1st for that 5th round pick is likely NOT looking for young upside players with high bust rates.  They will likely be looking at the Brees, Brady, Olsen, Nelson types who are excellent starters with maybe 2-3 years left in them. 

Someone trading their future 1st in a startup is looking at a "win now" team.  At least that's what happens every time I have seen a team deal away their future 1st like that.  So, you are not only getting the future 1st of a "win now" roster, but also giving them another "win now" starter. 

You are also giving them a more valuable piece (since most people value a 5th round player over a future 1st) that they might be able to couple with another pick to move up for a more studly type.

Point is, if you are trading for one future 1st, you are probably not going to get a high future 1st, AND you are hurting your chances for the current season.  Just not a good strategy IMO. 

 
-OZ- said:
If done well you also increase the chance that your 1st is very high.  But that would need to be your plan from the start.  The trend bagel mentions is interesting and could work but the two 1sts you now own have a better chance of both being late.  I don't think I'd go that route unless there's too much value in older guys dropping. 
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If I am trading for future 1sts, it is going to be because I am "tanking" to add a lot of value for the following years.  Has worked very, very well for me.

 
Zyphros said:
Not to turn it into an AC discussion but, I did the same thing of sub in players on my ranking sheet in that 6th round range and the guys I see possibly available are like Golden Tate, Jordan Matthews like you said, Crabtree, Sanders, Matt Forte, Bilal Powell none of whom are very interesting.  I'll definitely be trying to work that trade now, thanks.  
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I'm a big fan of this type of move but ask for a "throwaway" pick back "so I can get a warm body" - something like a 12th rounder.  You might be surprised how early someone will toss you back.

 
I had posted before but the owner finally hit accept after backing out. Updated full trade  

12 team PPR.  QRRWWWTFKD

Dez Bryant and Gio Bernard

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Michael Thomas and 2018 2nd. (Projected 2.7-2.10)

 
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I personally want nothing to do with Patriots skill players. Even though I'd probably take Cooks over the 1.6, I'd try and use him to get someone who would be a more consistent scorer.

Their end of year stats might look good but guessing who will be "the guy" for the week can be maddening. BB might just pull names out of a hat and scheme for that guy - hey look! It's Kevin Hogan's turn!

 
Andy Dufresne said:
I personally want nothing to do with Patriots skill players. Even though I'd probably take Cooks over the 1.6, I'd try and use him to get someone who would be a more consistent scorer.

Their end of year stats might look good but guessing who will be "the guy" for the week can be maddening. BB might just pull names out of a hat and scheme for that guy - hey look! It's Kevin Hogan's turn!
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I think the "consistency" argument is a bit over-rated with Cooks (although I do agree that it's a potential reality). I think the "boom" weeks can win you games and if you have a balanced team you can survive some of the "bust" weeks. I know the Pats will spread the ball around, but all indications are that Cooks is going to be a significant piece of the offense. Sure you'll get some 2 catches for 40 yard games where Hogan blows up - but we're getting a bit over the top in the paranoia that Billy hates our fantasy team.

I can see the argument a bit more when talking Patriot RBs because that part of the game is more game-plan dependent and a 2 point game at the RB position can kill you, and you will be fighting the urge to bench him the next week (and have him blow up) - but if you stick Cooks in your lineup each and every week, I think you come out ahead in the long run.  

 
12 team DFWC PPR.  Pending your view of these 2 polarizing players will be the reason you side for 1 or the other.  I can see it both ways.

Montgomery

for

Hyde

2018 2nd (projects to be late)

 
FFPC traded my 6th round start up pick (6.06) 

got

2018 1st and 2nd

A few days before, someone traded their 6.09 (posted this earlier in the thread), so I offered my 6th as a chance to jump this guy.  I also traded my 5th earlier for a 1st and 2nd as well in '18.  From the mocks I've done, it's mostly QB's or lackluster players being taken in that range so I'll gladly take a QB that slips in the 7th or later.  Even if I don't get an elite QB this year, I have a chance to grab one of them in the '18 rookie draft who are suppose to be great prospects.  Same with my RB situation which I'm expecting to be rather poor.  

 
Dez said:
12 team DFWC PPR.  Pending your view of these 2 polarizing players will be the reason you side for 1 or the other.  I can see it both ways.

Montgomery

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Hyde

2018 2nd (projects to be late)
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Hyde generally has a little more value straight up.  I prefer hyde, so I'd definitely take that side along with the pick.  Could definitely go either way in the end though.

 
Zyphros said:
FFPC traded my 6th round start up pick (6.06) 

got

2018 1st and 2nd

A few days before, someone traded their 6.09 (posted this earlier in the thread), so I offered my 6th as a chance to jump this guy.  I also traded my 5th earlier for a 1st and 2nd as well in '18.  From the mocks I've done, it's mostly QB's or lackluster players being taken in that range so I'll gladly take a QB that slips in the 7th or later.  Even if I don't get an elite QB this year, I have a chance to grab one of them in the '18 rookie draft who are suppose to be great prospects.  Same with my RB situation which I'm expecting to be rather poor.  
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In my FFPC league I ended up with Moncrief and K Benjamin in the 5th and 6th.  I'd much rather have gotten two 1sts and 2nds out of the picks looking back now.

 
Dez said:
12 team DFWC PPR.  Pending your view of these 2 polarizing players will be the reason you side for 1 or the other.  I can see it both ways.

Montgomery

for

Hyde

2018 2nd (projects to be late)
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I think the pick is on the wrong side.  But I'm delusional enough to think Hyde will be a high rb2. Not real big on monty.

 
12 team PPR 

Team A - Juju, Paul Richardson

Team B - Carlos Henderson, D'Onta Foreman, 2018 3rd.

 
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Zyphros said:
FFPC traded my 6th round start up pick (6.06) 

got

2018 1st and 2nd

A few days before, someone traded their 6.09 (posted this earlier in the thread), so I offered my 6th as a chance to jump this guy.  I also traded my 5th earlier for a 1st and 2nd as well in '18.  From the mocks I've done, it's mostly QB's or lackluster players being taken in that range so I'll gladly take a QB that slips in the 7th or later.  Even if I don't get an elite QB this year, I have a chance to grab one of them in the '18 rookie draft who are suppose to be great prospects.  Same with my RB situation which I'm expecting to be rather poor.  
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I did a similar trade two years ago in my FFPC startup but you did better than me. I gave a mid 5th, can't remember the exact pick, for what was a 2016 first and second. I got blasted for the trade by people I know who are not in the league and people in the league who proceeded to offer me 8th round startup picks for a future first and tell this was fair but I was to dumb to know better.  I don't even recall who I was looking at drafting, I had pick 6.1 coming up and pre-draft designated that pick for Eifert ,who I did select at that spot,  but don't recall who I was looking at in the 5th but nothing that got my juices going, likely would have just ended up grabbing Eifert earlier than anticipated and then figuring out what to do at 6.1 later.

As for those two picks I was dumb enough to give up a mid 5th round startup to get.  I ended up using one to draft Michael Thomas and later traded the second round pick for Randal Cobb and ETA Cobb went in the first round of the startup.

 
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Dez said:
12 team DFWC PPR.  Pending your view of these 2 polarizing players will be the reason you side for 1 or the other.  I can see it both ways.

Montgomery

for

Hyde

2018 2nd (projects to be late)
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FreeBaGeL said:
Hyde generally has a little more value straight up.  I prefer hyde, so I'd definitely take that side along with the pick.  Could definitely go either way in the end though.
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I'm surprised to hear that. I've not been paying a lot of attention to dynasty ADP but in redraft Monty is for sure consistently going over Hyde. Hyde normally in 5th round range, Montgomery in 4th round range and he's younger and seems to have more support from his current coaching staff. I believe you, just surprised.

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I think the pick is on the wrong side.  But I'm delusional enough to think Hyde will be a high rb2. Not real big on monty.
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I am part owner of the  team that gave up Monty. I think my co-owner has a preference for Hyde, I prefer Montgomery straight up but still was 100% good with the trade. We did one of those startup and collect first round pick jobs last year and ended up with not only 12 of the first 15 picks but 1-6 and the league is determined to try and not let it work for us.  I'd say more  than half the league openly discusses on the league MB  to collude against us an not trade with us, worst league mates I've ever encountered. Colluding in plain site. Their rational on not trading with us is because we had so many draft picks our roster is deep and we have tough cuts so they are all saying we are dumb to have collected so many picks(I've never heard that before) and if no one trades with us we'll be forced to cut quality players.

Because we had so many picks we own most of this years rookie RB class, all the one's we wanted anyway. So we have been trying to trim roster space and Monty was ideal candidate to move but no one was paying much for him in this league. So while I personally prefer Montgomery I was good with the trade because I felt the assets of Hyde/second would be easier to move then the asset of Montgomery which had like one buyer interested, the guy that bought him.

 
barackdhouse said:
12 team PPR

Team A - Martavis, 2018 5th

Team B - John Ross, 2018 2nd (mid to late)
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Martavis easy for me because I know he's good, ready to put in your lineup right now today and while he carries off the field risk I feel like Ross carries a lot of on the field injury risk that would worry me every bit as much.

 
menobrown said:
I'd say more  than half the league openly discusses on the league MB  to collude against us an not trade with us, worst league mates I've ever encountered. Colluding in plain site. Their rational on not trading with us is because we had so many draft picks our roster is deep and we have tough cuts so they are all saying we are dumb to have collected so many picks(I've never heard that before) and if no one trades with us we'll be forced to cut quality players.
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Wow, that's pretty crappy.

 
menobrown said:
 I'd say more  than half the league openly discusses on the league MB  to collude against us an not trade with us, worst league mates I've ever encountered. Colluding in plain site. Their rational on not trading with us is because we had so many draft picks our roster is deep and we have tough cuts so they are all saying we are dumb to have collected so many picks(I've never heard that before) and if no one trades with us we'll be forced to cut quality players.
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They are right, up until one of them realizes they can wait until the last minute and break rank and get great deals.  Because you will be overloaded, and you will have tough cuts.  If I were in that league I would totally lead that charge publicly and immediately contact you direct and work out a bunch of last minute trades.

 
Hankmoody said:
They are right, up until one of them realizes they can wait until the last minute and break rank and get great deals.  Because you will be overloaded, and you will have tough cuts.  If I were in that league I would totally lead that charge publicly and immediately contact you direct and work out a bunch of last minute trades.
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No offense but I think doing anything publicly where you try and unite forces with other league members or suggest leagues members unite is collusion and I disdain it feel it's not in the spirit of this hobby. I'll also add, at least when it comes to me, colluding against me is not the best way to ever think I'm going to cut you a good deal on a potential cut. I'd rather just cut someone and make you bid on him with the rest of the colluders and if that is cutting off my nose to save my face so be it.

As for them being right I have tried to impress upon them that they are are welcome to submit blind bids on our scraps after we cut them and drain their FA money competing against each other or deal with us reasonably and if they don't someone else likely will so their choice. Either way having to many good players is a good problem to have, those jackals keep laughing at us like we screwed ourselves having to many good players and it's the strangest thought process I've ever seen.

 
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