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18 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I had him #3WR before the draft and barely under Kirk at #4 post draft and along with Ridley and Moore had those 4 WR's a slight cut above the rest.

Easy to see him or any of that top 4 being the best one of the group one day, and also not someone I'd label a nickel. He is what I consider the second most valuable piece of the trade.

He's a nickel relative to OBJ, unless you'd trade OBJ for four 2nd round rookie picks.

Anyway the point was the analogy that it was 5 quarters for a dollar was off because 5 quarters > 1 dollar, but in this case the smaller pieces added up to less than the big piece so we needed a smaller unit of currency :P

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No, they won't accept

You mean it went down in a league you used to be in??  I’d go ful Vontae Davis on that league asap 

I don't know why so many people are saying that this is a fair return (despite preferring CMC as they should). It isn't. This is a fraction of what it should cost for a guy like CMC, either that or th

33 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I had him #3WR before the draft and barely under Kirk at #4 post draft and along with Ridley and Moore had those 4 WR's a slight cut above the rest.

Easy to see him or any of that top 4 being the best one of the group one day, and also not someone I'd label a nickel. He is what I consider the second most valuable piece of the trade.

Not a popular opinion, but I have Miller WR1, Moore WR2, Ridley WR3, Kirk WR4. I’ve been drafting Miller everywhere I can. Gallop is the wild-card; if he hits, you could have potentially landed some solid starters. Won’t know until next season, like you stated, mainly due to Henry’s unfortunate injury. Still can’t believe it....

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17 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

He's a nickel relative to OBJ, unless you'd trade OBJ for four 2nd round rookie picks.

 

Trade was for sure on OBJ side easily but I'd just not describe Henry as a nickel or valued as a second round rookie pick, but that's me and why I said I'm sore he's not around to change people's mind that don't see him that way.

This is one of those lopsided on paper trades that might actually look like a win 2-3 years from now for now getting rid of OBJ, would not surprise me at all,  but still not a good looking deal today.

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1 hour ago, menobrown said:

I'd consider Watkins on par with Ridley so the second would for sure pull me to Watkins side.

I was on the side receiving Watkins and this is about how I felt.  Didn’t love the trade to be honest but felt it was good value and may try to flip Sammy now

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14 minutes ago, Skeletore Eh said:

I was on the side receiving Watkins and this is about how I felt.  Didn’t love the trade to be honest but felt it was good value and may try to flip Sammy now

Watkins has ADP in the 4th/5th of startups and Ridley is in the 7th/8th...

Watkins is only about 18 months older than Ridley as well...  Plus Ridley is basically a poor man's version of Watkins without the elite athletecism (and maybe without the injuries too).

Even if the 2nd rounder was on the other side of the deal its a complete no brainer.

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3 hours ago, Penguin said:

Saw this in an FFPC league

M.Evans & N.Agholar

for

K.Allen & 2019 1st (mid pack)

I've been the Agholor bandwagon driver for years now but I just don't know how I feel about this.  On one hand Agholor showed his ability this past year, and I would want to sell high, but I don't think I can force myself to do that.  Evans > Allen, although it's probably pretty close especially in 1 pt ppr, and I'd trade away Agholor pretty easily for a mid 1st.  Overall it's pretty even I'd say, but I lean Keenan Allen and the 1st because of that 1 pt ppr.  

3 hours ago, Skeletore Eh said:

Sammy watkins

2019 2nd round pick 

 

for 

 

Calvin ridley

I hate both players so this is Sammy for me purely for name value to flip for a real player.  

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9 hours ago, Penguin said:

Saw this in an FFPC league

M.Evans & N.Agholar

for

K.Allen & 2019 1st (mid pack)

Evans

5 hours ago, Aunt Jemima said:

not involved, FFPC league

Gurley, Brate, 2019 3rd rd pick

for

Keenan Allen, Hunter Henry, Kenyan Drake

Gurley

9 hours ago, fruity pebbles said:

16 team ppr. I had a lot of depth, he had a couple studs and nothing.

Gave:

Will Fuller, Hunter Henry, Anthony Miller, James Washington and Michael Gallup

Got:

Odell Beckham

Nice

9 hours ago, Skeletore Eh said:

Sammy watkins

2019 2nd round pick 

for 

Calvin ridley

Sammy alone

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53 minutes ago, BillyJoeBob said:

12 Team PPR Superlfex

     Gave 2.12 (24th overall)

     Received Trey Burton TE

Just lost Hunter Henry and needed TE help

Seems fair. I’d probably pay that for him.

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6 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

12 team PPR

Gave Elliott for 1.1

What is wrong with people? Zeke has done nothing but average 100 yds/game rushing, 2 receptions for 20 yds/game, and 1 td/game in his career thus far. And you are trading him for a guy who hasn’t hit the field yet.

Zeke by a mile because one in the hand here is worth just as much as the one in the bush

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53 minutes ago, gabes1919 said:

What is wrong with people? Zeke has done nothing but average 100 yds/game rushing, 2 receptions for 20 yds/game, and 1 td/game in his career thus far. And you are trading him for a guy who hasn’t hit the field yet.

Zeke by a mile because one in the hand here is worth just as much as the one in the bush

Beaver up a tree won’t get wet.

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58 minutes ago, gabes1919 said:

What is wrong with people? Zeke has done nothing but average 100 yds/game rushing, 2 receptions for 20 yds/game, and 1 td/game in his career thus far. And you are trading him for a guy who hasn’t hit the field yet.

Zeke by a mile because one in the hand here is worth just as much as the one in the bush

 

While I personally would not trade Zeke for the 1.01 I think you are underestimating Barkley’s upside a bit.  Zeke will never be the pass catcher that Barkley is.  Barkley has LT/Faulk level upside as a RB who can catch 80+ passes  while still doing a lot of damage on the ground. If you believe in him this is about the only window to buy because you won’t be touching him in the future if he hits 

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11 hours ago, Aunt Jemima said:

not involved, FFPC league

Gurley, Brate, 2019 3rd rd pick

for

Keenan Allen, Hunter Henry, Kenyan Drake

Easily Gurley with the Henry injury, would have been close pre-Hunter injury, then it would have become more of a team specific trade.

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I dont think its zeke by "a mile"

If there is a prospect whos ceiling projects to compete with zeke, its barkely. Also he is a saint, unlike zeke, who is an actual idiot. You really telling me that you wouldnt swap zeke for the who will be next years rb1/2/3 in dyno. A guy who is one idiotic move away from being banned for a year....

I understand the argument for having zeke and not trading him at all, but to say its not close is completely ignoring the real life situation and risks

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3 hours ago, gabes1919 said:

What is wrong with people? Zeke has done nothing but average 100 yds/game rushing, 2 receptions for 20 yds/game, and 1 td/game in his career thus far. And you are trading him for a guy who hasn’t hit the field yet.

Zeke by a mile because one in the hand here is worth just as much as the one in the bush

I see others covered it, but the rationale is pretty straightforward:

  1. Barkley is expected/projected to be a tier 1 RB, on par with Gurley and Elliott, with RB1 overall potential, especially in PPR
  2. Barkley is 2.5 years younger than Elliott
  3. Elliott has a considerable amount more mileage
  4. Elliott has had multiple off field problems and is a candidate for future suspension; based upon what we know about Barkley, he isn't

#1 comes with risk, because it is a projection at this point. IMO the likely reward is worth that risk.

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Yeah I would take Elliot over Barkley, but people aren't wrong that Barkley's upside is quite a bit higher.

Elliot's best case is basically that he has an Adrian Peterson like career.  Barkley's best case is that he has a Marshall Faulk like career.  And in PPR, Marshall Faulk scored a LOT more than Adrian Peterson.

To put that into context, the most fantasy points Adrian Peterson ever scored was 348 and that was the year he rushed for 2100 yards AND had his career high in receptions.  Faulk beat that number 5 times, and not just by a little.  He was basically at or above 400 fantasy points 5 times, with an insane career high of 456 points.

That gap is just utterly massive.

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1 hour ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Yeah I would take Elliot over Barkley, but people aren't wrong that Barkley's upside is quite a bit higher.

Elliot's best case is basically that he has an Adrian Peterson like career.  Barkley's best case is that he has a Marshall Faulk like career.  And in PPR, Marshall Faulk scored a LOT more than Adrian Peterson.

To put that into context, the most fantasy points Adrian Peterson ever scored was 348 and that was the year he rushed for 2100 yards AND had his career high in receptions.  Faulk beat that number 5 times, and not just by a little.  He was basically at or above 400 fantasy points 5 times, with an insane career high of 456 points.

That gap is just utterly massive.

I think Zeke has Gurley PPR upside. I think his lack of receptions to this point in his career is a product of the scheme and play calling.

Receiving ability: Barkley > Zeke > AP, IMO.

Edit: Just a small quibble. I agree with your overall point.

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57 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Yeah I would take Elliot over Barkley, but people aren't wrong that Barkley's upside is quite a bit higher.

Elliot's best case is basically that he has an Adrian Peterson like career.  Barkley's best case is that he has a Marshall Faulk like career.  And in PPR, Marshall Faulk scored a LOT more than Adrian Peterson.

To put that into context, the most fantasy points Adrian Peterson ever scored was 348 and that was the year he rushed for 2100 yards AND had his career high in receptions.  Faulk beat that number 5 times, and not just by a little.  He was basically at or above 400 fantasy points 5 times, with an insane career high of 456 points.

That gap is just utterly massive.

We're basically saying that Barkley's upside is the greatest runningback of all time. Honestly, don't think I can argue with that though, he looks pretty awesome. But I would argue that Barkley's situation is much closer to (if not worse than) Faulk in Indy than Faulk playing in the greatest show on turf. Not that Faulk in Indy didn't have some good to great fantasy seasons as well.

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16 team IDP 1.5 TE PPR

Hollins, Mack PHI WR
Willis, Jordan CIN DE
Edmunds, Tremaine BUF LB
Year 2018 Draft Pick 4.13

For

Robinson, Allen CHI WR
Jones, Josh GBP S

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6 hours ago, gabes1919 said:

What is wrong with people? Zeke has done nothing but average 100 yds/game rushing, 2 receptions for 20 yds/game, and 1 td/game in his career thus far. And you are trading him for a guy who hasn’t hit the field yet.

Zeke by a mile because one in the hand here is worth just as much as the one in the bush

"You can have the boat.... or the mystery box?"

"A boat is a boat, but the mystery box could be anything, it could even be a boat!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKZJdaiJF84

 

 

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59 minutes ago, Dez said:

16 team IDP 1.5 TE PPR

Lamar Miller Mia RB

for

4.02

Miller by a lot

44 minutes ago, Matt's Eagles said:

12 team PPR

Team A got Mack, C Thompson, DJax, 2.12

Team B got 1.8, Chad Williams

 

Team C got A Collins

Team D got Clement, Allison, 2.12

 

Not high on mack, gimme the 1.08

Collins by a lot

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45 minutes ago, Aunt Jemima said:

not a huge fan but is that how little he is worth right now? seems cheap to me

Well that was the one that was on Miami - so you won’t get any points for him anymore.

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20 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Well that was the one that was on Miami - so you won’t get any points for him anymore.

Houston of course

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10 team Superflex 0.5 PPR, all trades from same league.

Team A gives : 2019 3rd

Team B gives: Delanie Walker

After the Henry injury. Team A had Henry and only Gathers\Akins\Shaheen behind him.

 

Team C gives: Gronk, 2020 2nd

Team B gives: Tevin Coleman, 2019 1st

Team C is left with Brate/Burton/Cook at TE. Team B also had Freeman. Team C was a little short at RB depth but not too badly (Kamara, Lewis, Foreman, Guice, Duke)

 

Team B gives: ASJ, 2019 4th

Team D gives: 2019 3rd

Team B had a clear out of TE's after getting Gronk. He only has Vance McDonald as cover now.

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12 team ppr (not involved)

team A gets

2018 picks 13,17,26,27,38

team B gets

Chris Carson, Ryan grant, J Stew, Mike Davis, Ted Ginn

 

This is a league I commish in, I have never been inclined to overturn a trade before now, pretty sure this only happened because the team giving up all the picks cannot make our live rookie draft that has been scheduled several weeks. It was his birthday yesterday and the trade was made around midnight. Wondering if he was just drunk. Trying to communicate with team a's owner to see exactly what the circumstances were. Either way, smh thats just awful

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7 minutes ago, Pwingles said:

12 team ppr (not involved)

team A gets

2018 picks 13,17,26,27,38

team B gets

Chris Carson, Ryan grant, J Stew, Mike Davis, Ted Ginn

 

This is a league I commish in, I have never been inclined to overturn a trade before now, pretty sure this only happened because the team giving up all the picks cannot make our live rookie draft that has been scheduled several weeks. It was his birthday yesterday and the trade was made around midnight. Wondering if he was just drunk. Trying to communicate with team a's owner to see exactly what the circumstances were. Either way, smh thats just awful

He couldnt just hand you a list with his top 38 guys in order?

He doesnt sound too bright

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4 minutes ago, Pwingles said:

12 team ppr (not involved)

team A gets

2018 picks 13,17,26,27,38

team B gets

Chris Carson, Ryan grant, J Stew, Mike Davis, Ted Ginn

 

This is a league I commish in, I have never been inclined to overturn a trade before now, pretty sure this only happened because the team giving up all the picks cannot make our live rookie draft that has been scheduled several weeks. It was his birthday yesterday and the trade was made around midnight. Wondering if he was just drunk. Trying to communicate with team a's owner to see exactly what the circumstances were. Either way, smh thats just awful

It's awful, based on value, but I wouldn't veto it, as outside of the 2.01 - in this draft none of those picks are likely to amount to much anyway. There is a decent chance Ryan Grant emerges as the No. 2 in Indianapolis and if Luck does come back that's not a bad thing. Ginn is old but was fairly productive last season and seems to have Brees' trust.

I would definitely wait for an explanation - and if the guys says convincingly he's ok with the trade, hold your nose and let it go through.

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29 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

12 team ppr QB-2RB-3WR-TE-FL

Team A gave up Anderson, Robby NYJ WR

Team B gave up Booker, Devontae DEN RB; Year 2019 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team B

Interesting as I could not even get a 4th for Robby where I owned him. 

40 minutes ago, Pwingles said:

12 team ppr (not involved)

team A gets

2018 picks 13,17,26,27,38

team B gets

Chris Carson, Ryan grant, J Stew, Mike Davis, Ted Ginn

This is a league I commish in, I have never been inclined to overturn a trade before now, pretty sure this only happened because the team giving up all the picks cannot make our live rookie draft that has been scheduled several weeks. It was his birthday yesterday and the trade was made around midnight. Wondering if he was just drunk. Trying to communicate with team a's owner to see exactly what the circumstances were. Either way, smh thats just awful

Certainly qualifies as one of the owrst trades I've ever seen given the owner essentially gave us away for picks for free. 

14 hours ago, oldmanhawkins said:

Cooks for 1.04 and 2019 2nd.  

That's about right. 

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33 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

12 team ppr QB-2RB-3WR-TE-FL

 

Team A gave up Anderson, Robby NYJ WR

Team B gave up Booker, Devontae DEN RB; Year 2019 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team B

Very interesting deal...I would lean towards Booker and the pick...I don’t see Anderson blowing up with a rookie QB and you can never have enough young, dice roll RBs and I think the #3 gives you a chip to make another move and get a WR better than Anderson if you need the do that...

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13 minutes ago, JPeso said:

Interesting as I could not even get a 4th for Robby where I owned him. 

 

at those prices im holding anderson.   that's almost free (the 4th rounder)

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2 hours ago, Pwingles said:

12 team ppr (not involved)

team A gets

2018 picks 13,17,26,27,38

team B gets

Chris Carson, Ryan grant, J Stew, Mike Davis, Ted Ginn

 

This is a league I commish in, I have never been inclined to overturn a trade before now, pretty sure this only happened because the team giving up all the picks cannot make our live rookie draft that has been scheduled several weeks. It was his birthday yesterday and the trade was made around midnight. Wondering if he was just drunk. Trying to communicate with team a's owner to see exactly what the circumstances were. Either way, smh thats just awful

I’m generally not a veto guy but that trade is indefensible.  Even if that guy believed all those players were underrated, he could have given just the 13th pick alone (and still be overpaying).  I’d overturn it and give that owner a warning 

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