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1 hour ago, Penguin said:

FFPC

Team A gave A.Collins & C.Ridley

Team B gave Chubb (dropped J.Jackson)

 

1 hour ago, Dr. Dan said:

wow. chubb by a lot

 

1 hour ago, JPeso said:

Amazing buy on Chubb. 

Interesting how vastly the views differ on players.  In 1 of my rookie drafts Ridley went ahead of Chubb in the draft 7th vs 8th.

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20 minutes ago, skinfanjon said:

Decided to flip these guys in two separate deals.

Gave: Christian Kirk, 2019 3rd

Got: Robert Woods, Trequan Smith, 2019 6th

And 

Gave: Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones

Got: Burkhead, Chase Edmunds (cuff for camp), 2019 2nd and 3rd

Sum of trades:

Penny for Woods, Burkhead, Jordan Wilkens, Trequan Smith, Edmunds, 2019 2nd and 6th.

personally you were better off not flipping. 

I'm not a fan of Woods, especially with Cooks there. I feel like Woods'big year was more just out of chance being in a decent situation rather than him actually turning a corner. theres mo way that offense supports 4 fantasy viable targets in the passing game. Kirk will be far better than him imo. Smith I like, but to give up a 3rd and kirk for...

2nd and 3rd and Burkhead for GB RB is a mistake. I think whomever emerges as the go to guy in GB is going to be valuable. as someone who thinks that's Jones... and I know I'm in the minority here... but I think you just gifted away an rb1

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8 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

personally you were better off not flipping. 

I'm not a fan of Woods, especially with Cooks there. I feel like Woods'big year was more just out of chance being in a decent situation rather than him actually turning a corner. theres mo way that offense supports 4 fantasy viable targets in the passing game. Kirk will be far better than him imo. Smith I like, but to give up a 3rd and kirk for...

2nd and 3rd and Burkhead for GB RB is a mistake. I think whomever emerges as the go to guy in GB is going to be valuable. as someone who thinks that's Jones... and I know I'm in the minority here... but I think you just gifted away an rb1

Thanks man.  I don't post a lot but I read the forum regularly.  Honestly we are in disagreement on about 90% of topics so this actually makes me feel better haha.

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5 minutes ago, skinfanjon said:

Thanks man.  I don't post a lot but I read the forum regularly.  Honestly we are in disagreement on about 90% of topics so this actually makes me feel better haha.

lmao. I'm sure I'm in the minority here. It's all a matter of preference anyways. I'm not too crazy about any NE bac hist because it's a headache but if I were to own 1 it'd be burkhead for the expected gl carries. 

I think Kirk is over hyped to be honest, so it could be a good sell, but I'm not a fan of woods. Smith might end up being to best player in that trade. 

And I can definitely see a scenario where no RB does well in GB and they either sign a guy like Yeldon or draft Love or Harris. in that case you got a steal. Regardless, the general consensus for a RB in GB is maybe rb2, flex numbers. Burkhead, if things work out how they should, should be a rb2 easy

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1 hour ago, skinfanjon said:

Decided to flip these guys in two separate deals.

Gave: Christian Kirk, 2019 3rd

Got: Robert Woods, Trequan Smith, 2019 6th

And 

Gave: Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones

Got: Burkhead, Chase Edmunds (cuff for camp), 2019 2nd and 3rd

Sum of trades:

Penny for Woods, Burkhead, Jordan Wilkens, Trequan Smith, Edmunds, 2019 2nd and 6th.

Penny

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3 hours ago, skinfanjon said:

Decided to flip these guys in two separate deals.

Gave: Christian Kirk, 2019 3rd

Got: Robert Woods, Trequan Smith, 2019 6th

And 

Gave: Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones

Got: Burkhead, Chase Edmunds (cuff for camp), 2019 2nd and 3rd

Sum of trades:

Penny for Woods, Burkhead, Jordan Wilkens, Trequan Smith, Edmunds, 2019 2nd and 6th.

Don’t like your net; even though I liked your first deal. 

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3 hours ago, skinfanjon said:

Decided to flip these guys in two separate deals.

Gave: Christian Kirk, 2019 3rd

Got: Robert Woods, Trequan Smith, 2019 6th

And 

Gave: Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones

Got: Burkhead, Chase Edmunds (cuff for camp), 2019 2nd and 3rd

Sum of trades:

Penny for Woods, Burkhead, Jordan Wilkens, Trequan Smith, Edmunds, 2019 2nd and 6th.

Love the first flip hate the 2nd. After the net, I'd still prefer Penny. And I like Woods a bit more than most, I think. I expect Cooks to draw a lot of attention and for Woods to get a lot of targets. I like Trequan about the same as Kirk, so like I said I like that flip a lot. I would not have given those GB backs away that cheap, though. In the end I still like Penny the most. Just my ten cents. 

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4 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

Love the first flip hate the 2nd. After the net, I'd still prefer Penny. And I like Woods a bit more than most, I think. I expect Cooks to draw a lot of attention and for Woods to get a lot of targets. I like Trequan about the same as Kirk, so like I said I like that flip a lot. I would not have given those GB backs away that cheap, though. In the end I still like Penny the most. Just my ten cents. 

Fair enough.  I think I'm just higher on Burkhead than most are but it could certainly be a mistake.  Sure do like seeing those reports of Michel fumbling.

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On 7/28/2018 at 3:23 PM, slackjawedyokel said:

A few from the last day or two:

16 team PPR Salary Cap

A: Received Jay Ajayi (8%) and Derrick Henry (12%)

B: Received 2019 1st (mid, 5%), 2020 1st (unknown)

 

16 team PPR Salary Cap

A: Received Mike Williams (5%) 

B: Received 2019 1st (mid-late, 3%)

 

16 team PPR Salary Cap

A: Received Joe Mixon (7%) 

B: Received Keenan Allen (6%)

 

16 team PPR Salary Cap

A: Received Jordan Howard (17%) 

B: Received 2018 1.10 (3%)

 

16 team PPR Salary Cap

A: Received Corey Davis (6%) and Christian McCaffrey (7%) 

B: Received David Johnson (4%)

 

16 team PPR Salary Cap

A: Received 2018 1.14 (2%)

B: Received 2019 1st (high-mid, 5%)

*I dont play cap leagues, but he bolded are my picks

17 hours ago, Penguin said:

FFPC

Team A gave A.Collins & C.Ridley

Team B gave Chubb (dropped J.Jackson)

I am a chubb fan, but I think this is fair right now

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19 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Really? Miller, easily.

Guy really wanted a RB to pair with his RB1. Been on and off dealing since our draft earlier this year. 

One downside is that it pretty much guts my RBs if Aaron Jones doesn't work out and I'm overly invested in rookie WRs from this last draft... I have 4 of the top 6 now, but the 4 that I absolutely like. 

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On ‎7‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 8:58 AM, Dr. Dan said:

Dion Lewis for Anthony Miller PPR

I think this depends on roster make-up...Miller is very intriguing but if you are looking to win now and don't have great RB depth I understand why this deal would be made...

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1 hour ago, gianmarco said:

Gesicki by a ton.

You a McKinnon believer?  I realize 1.5 for TE and the mans a Sparq warrior but damn he's throwing in a draft pick too  I mean yeah I would figure SF really likes Jerick but they almost have to love Brieda to let Hyde walk

I really do dislike cherry picking but last Seasons Jaguars game results where sure interesting  Think Brieda put Fournette to shame on fewer carries against a stringier Defense 

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4 minutes ago, Pwingles said:

12 team normal ppr

1/2/3/1/3 flex

Team A gets Nuk, Hyde

Team B gets Gurley, R. Anderson

wow this is a pretty nice trade, big names. I'll take Team B for a couple of reasons:

1. Nuk regressing slightly (see player spotlight)

2. Anderson has more upside than Hyde IMO for the long term. 

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1 hour ago, Dismattle said:

You a McKinnon believer?  I realize 1.5 for TE and the mans a Sparq warrior but damn he's throwing in a draft pick too  I mean yeah I would figure SF really likes Jerick but they almost have to love Brieda to let Hyde walk

I really do dislike cherry picking but last Seasons Jaguars game results where sure interesting  Think Brieda put Fournette to shame on fewer carries against a stringier Defense 

Not at all. In fact, I think McKinnon is the most overvalued player right now in fantasy.  I just don't view any of them in SF as special talents.

Gesicki COULD be. So with 1.5 PPR for TE, he's the easy play for me. And he's more than a SPARQ warrior, IMO, but time will tell.

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10 team Superflex, non PPR with 0.5 pt per first down rushing/receiving

Team A gave RB Freeman
Team B gave QB Smith

Team A is a Redskins fan but, more importantly, had Winston as his only startable QB, meaning he didn't have a startable QB in weeks 1-3. Because it is a Superflex league with favorable QB scoring, QBs are gold, and there are 41 rostered prior to this year's rookie draft. So no useful vets are available.

Also of possible interest, I happen to know that Team A offered 2018 pick 1.4 for Smith initially, so Team B apparently preferred Freeman. Given this is a Superflex league combined with the rosters of the teams, I know 1.1 will be Barkley and expect 1.2 and 1.3 will be QBs... which means Team B chose Freeman over RB2 and QB3 (and WR1 and TE1) in this draft.

ETA: I am not involved.

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45 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

Not at all. In fact, I think McKinnon is the most overvalued player right now in fantasy.  I just don't view any of them in SF as special talents.

Gesicki COULD be. So with 1.5 PPR for TE, he's the easy play for me. And he's more than a SPARQ warrior, IMO, but time will tell.

my bad  I do understand theres an angle of opportunity to land what could be a real asset thus making a team who they are  (ex. Gronk owner!)  But to be honest I may be overestimating where one would need to draft Gesicki  (I realize RB for RB is kinda bad trading)  Would you personally in that League be happy to offer Brieda and a 3rd to acquire say, Kerryon Johnson

For the record on a side note I drafted McKinnon solely because of the SPARQ rating  Whats worse I was just glancing a bit more on Brieda (yeah I drafted him last Season) and noticed that his scores where pretty good (42in vert)  

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12 hours ago, gianmarco said:

12 team, 1 PPR

Team A receives: Crowder/Sanders/Jesse James

Team B receives: Breida/Sanu/De'Angelo Henderson

Crowder alone, not a huge fan of his and own him nowhere. 

On 7/30/2018 at 8:58 AM, Dr. Dan said:

Dion Lewis for Anthony Miller PPR

Miller.

13 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

12 team PPR TE 1.5

Team A gives Breida, 2019 3rd

Team B gives Gesicki (taxi)

Did that really happen? Gesicki. 

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3 hours ago, Sitch said:

12 tm PPR

A got: Thielen, Agholor, D.Walker, M.Andrews

B got: Engram, Sutton, Hurns, Ty. Williams

I will take Team B (Disclosure: I own both Engram and Sutton)

What team A got, I'm only really interested in Thielen, IMO Thielen + Agholor = Sutton + Engram, and I'd rather have Sutton + Engram long term and don't think I'd trade those 2 for Thielen/Agholor. The rest of the players I couldn't care less about. Hurns might have some value but I am not big on him. Walker is solid, but getting older.

I can see why each team would want to do this deal. Team A might be more wanting to win now, whereas team B wants to rebuild a bit. In 3 years this deal will look much more lopsided IMO

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3 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

I will take Team B (Disclosure: I own both Engram and Sutton)

What team A got, I'm only really interested in Thielen, IMO Thielen + Agholor = Sutton + Engram, and I'd rather have Sutton + Engram long term and don't think I'd trade those 2 for Thielen/Agholor. The rest of the players I couldn't care less about. Hurns might have some value but I am not big on him. Walker is solid, but getting older.

I can see why each team would want to do this deal. Team A might be more wanting to win now, whereas team B wants to rebuild a bit. In 3 years this deal will look much more lopsided IMO

I was team A.  I have Kelce at TE and don't value Engram as highly as others (with a healthy OBJ, Shepard, now Barkley, etc I think his production goes down, not to mention Eli is getting older and less productive).  I think Sutton = Agholor and don't think I'm losing anything there.  The other guys don't move the needle much although Walker is a solid backup TE for a few years.  I can now start AB, Cooks, T.Hill and Thielen at WR which is an upgrade for my team.  With Agholor and Hogan as backups.  But I understand those liking the younger guys as well...

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Just now, Sitch said:

I was team A.  I have Kelce at TE and don't value Engram as highly as others (with a healthy OBJ, Shepard, now Barkley, etc I think his production goes down, not to mention Eli is getting older and less productive).  I think Sutton = Agholor and don't think I'm losing anything there.  The other guys don't move the needle much although Walker is a solid backup TE for a few years.  I can now start AB, Cooks, T.Hill and Thielen at WR which is an upgrade for my team.  With Agholor and Hogan as backups.  But I understand those liking the younger guys as well...

I'm in a rebuild mindset personally. I think Sutton could be a WR1 in 2-3 years easily. But many disagree. He could very well be the next Agholor. Opinions vary on Engram as well. 

I definitely think you dealt from depth to strengthen yourself at WR considerably. Seeing your roster, I would like this trade if I had your team. Very solid

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46 minutes ago, donnie baseball said:

Big trade, 1 ppr dynasty 

barkley and lamar miller

for

kamara and r. Penny 

I'll go against the grain and say Barkley. We know what Kamara is likely to do. As documented in the Barkley thread, Barkley's ceiling is Marshall faulk like performance (33 fantasy points per game at his best), where someone like Zeke is at around 23. Those 10 points are a big difference. Even if we put Kamara at Zeke's level, Penny and Miller could potentially be a wash if Penny busts, which so far he has been underwhelming compared to Carson. Of course, Barkley's ceiling could be equal to Kamara. In that case the answer to this trade is obvious.

As someone who is on the side of Barkley being a generational talent, and Penny being a 1st round bust, I will go with Barkley on this. And I hate Lamar Miller this year (though recent reports are forcing me to reconsider) 

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26 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

I'll go against the grain and say Barkley. We know what Kamara is likely to do. As documented in the Barkley thread, Barkley's ceiling is Marshall faulk like performance (33 fantasy points per game at his best), where someone like Zeke is at around 23. Those 10 points are a big difference. Even if we put Kamara at Zeke's level, Penny and Miller could potentially be a wash if Penny busts, which so far he has been underwhelming compared to Carson. Of course, Barkley's ceiling could be equal to Kamara. In that case the answer to this trade is obvious.

As someone who is on the side of Barkley being a generational talent, and Penny being a 1st round bust, I will go with Barkley on this. And I hate Lamar Miller this year (though recent reports are forcing me to reconsider) 

I guess 33 PPG is a theoretical ceiling, but odds of Barkley (or any modern player) getting there seem extremely long. 

Last season, LeVeon had 406 touches in 15 games. He caught 85 passes. He still averaged only 23 PPG in PPR. Unless you're projecting Barkley to score 30 TDs, he's not going to get to 33 PPG. 

 

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19 minutes ago, Dan Hindery said:

I guess 33 PPG is a theoretical ceiling, but odds of Barkley (or any modern player) getting there seem extremely long. 

Last season, LeVeon had 406 touches in 15 games. He caught 85 passes. He still averaged only 23 PPG in PPR. Unless you're projecting Barkley to score 30 TDs, he's not going to get to 33 PPG. 

 

I don't see Barkley performing like Bell 2017. his ceiling is higher than that, but only time will tell if he really is that good. I imagine the guy trading for Barkley would believe that too if he gave up so much 

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1 hour ago, donnie baseball said:

Big trade, 1 ppr dynasty 

barkley and lamar miller

for

kamara and r. Penny 

This is Barkley for me.  I may have thought otherwise a few weeks ago, but Penny is dropping like a stone for me and not just due to the Carson news.  I drafted him in three leagues and sold him in all three before that started hitting headlines.  I like the player, HATE the situation he's facing for the next couple years.  Seattle is going in reverse, big time.  Brian Schottenheimer is like the Jeff Fisher of OC's.

Barkley is the 1st or 2nd most valuable dynasty asset in my book.  It's either him or Gurley.  I love me some Kamara, but his 2017 efficiency is the ceiling.

Give me Saquon.

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2 hours ago, Dan Hindery said:

I guess 33 PPG is a theoretical ceiling, but odds of Barkley (or any modern player) getting there seem extremely long. 

Last season, LeVeon had 406 touches in 15 games. He caught 85 passes. He still averaged only 23 PPG in PPR. Unless you're projecting Barkley to score 30 TDs, he's not going to get to 33 PPG. 

 

I took he used the Faulk comp and 33 PPG because if you round up Faulks PPR PPG production in 2000 that's what he did but you are right in that it's a ceiling that would take a 30 TD or 30 TD per game pace to pull off.  Even the year LT scored 31 TD's he was a shade under 30.

Ironic thing is @Dr. Dan  used Faulk for the Barkley comp and that's who Payton said Kamara reminded him of last year. Barkley reminds me more of LT, who had a few 25+ PPG seasons.

As for the trade it's really close, could see either side, but I lean on Barkley side.

 

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2 minutes ago, Pwingles said:

12 team TE Prem PPR

1/1/2/1/4x Flex

Sent Ridley

Got '19 1st, '19 2nd likely early to mid

Ridley is usually going late round 1, so to swap a late 1st for at worst a mid 1st and 2nd is great. that '19 first will be a better prospect than Ridley

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11 hours ago, menobrown said:

I took he used the Faulk comp and 33 PPG because if you round up Faulks PPR PPG production in 2000 that's what he did but you are right in that it's a ceiling that would take a 30 TD or 30 TD per game pace to pull off.  Even the year LT scored 31 TD's he was a shade under 30.

Ironic thing is @Dr. Dan  used Faulk for the Barkley comp and that's who Payton said Kamara reminded him of last year. Barkley reminds me more of LT, who had a few 25+ PPG seasons.

As for the trade it's really close, could see either side, but I lean on Barkley side.

 

Yeah, definitely a close trade.

And an especially interesting one for me because just this week I had 1.08 in a startup draft (which I assumed would be Kamara) and tried to trade up to 1.04 for Barkley when the pick was on the clock. So I'd been weighing how big a gap between the two myself. I don't think it's a massive one. Barkley should end up getting 50-80 more carries most seasons but Kamara will likely outproduce Barkley as a pass catcher. Plus, we've already seen Kamara do it for a season.

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22 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

Ridley is usually going late round 1, so to swap a late 1st for at worst a mid 1st and 2nd is great. that '19 first will be a better prospect than Ridley

Not necessarily.

ETA: I'm not sure but maybe he meant the 1st round is early to mid as well (if both picks are from same team).

If some one traded a potential early first and second for Ridley then they're just a terrible owner. If its a later first and potentially early second I may consider it since I like Ridley.

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13 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Not necessarily.

ETA: I'm not sure but maybe he meant the 1st round is early to mid as well (if both picks are from same team).

If some one traded a potential early first and second for Ridley then they're just a terrible owner. If its a later first and potentially early second I may consider it since I like Ridley.

They are same team. This year he picked at the 8 spot, but his team got a lot worse in the offseason. So I am projecting his ceiling to be lower by a good margin.

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15 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Not necessarily.

ETA: I'm not sure but maybe he meant the 1st round is early to mid as well (if both picks are from same team).

If some one traded a potential early first and second for Ridley then they're just a terrible owner. If its a later first and potentially early second I may consider it since I like Ridley.

yes, I assumed he meant both were mid to high.

2019 WR crop is exceptional

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2 minutes ago, Pwingles said:

They are same team. This year he picked at the 8 spot, but his team got a lot worse in the offseason. So I am projecting his ceiling to be lower by a good margin.

If that's the case is a terrible deal for him and I can never understand teams that trade away potentially high first round picks without making their team better. Ridley will not help his team much this season so he could always trade for him at a much later date.

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Just now, Dr. Octopus said:

If that's the case is a terrible deal for him and I can never understand teams that trade away potentially high first round picks without making their team better. Ridley will not help his team much this season so he could always trade for him at a much later date.

I think his perspective on the situation is that Ridley will be vastly more expensive as time goes on (i dont agree, at least in the near future), so he had a "get in on the ground floor" mentality towards acquiring him. His top 3 wr weekly are Fitz, DT, and Tyreek. So a couple of his guys are aging out. His depth is pretty bad, KB and Agholor and then trash. He drafted Kerryon and Chubb this year. So, even if everyone breaks out and has a career year veteran wise, he will still have trouble competing if he makes the playoffs.

My team is pretty solid, was champ last season, and my team got better. My WR are pretty stacked (Evans, Nuk, Adams, Davis) and i can fade this years wr class in favor of a better crop next year. If I change my mind during draft season next year, the 1st will most certainly be worth at least as much as Ridley in terms of trade value, and I got a free 2nd. So I am happy right now.

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