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1 hour ago, wgoldsph said:

I think you moved just to move on Bell.  I have no faith in him and I get that nobody else does either, but you're bound to find a team that's set up poorly at rb who will over pay for someone starting just so they have gaurenteed weekly carries on their roster.

That hasn't been true from mid-season until now. 

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7 minutes ago, menobrown said:

Rodgers probably deserves to be rostered. I only have one team I'm preparing to carry two and that second QB is Dak. If Tampa keeps Winston I might keep him. I'd rather trade both then keep them but hard to move a QB right now. But with all due respect to Rodgers I'd rather have Dak and Tampa Winston based on what I know today.

Yeah we seem to be thinking about these leagues the same way. In almost all of these leagues my plan at QB is to acquire an elite one (somehow) and carry just 1 thru the cut to 16. I rarely carry a 2nd. This one where I moved Rodgers is an exception. So much so that I'm likely carrying 3 QBs thru cuts. I am building in the 2nd year of existence of this league but I think I can compete now with what I've got.

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Just now, barackdhouse said:

Yeah we seem to be thinking about these leagues the same way. In almost all of these leagues my plan at QB is to acquire an elite one (somehow) and carry just 1 thru the cut to 16. I rarely carry a 2nd. This one where I moved Rodgers is an exception. So much so that I'm likely carrying 3 QBs thru cuts. I am building in the 2nd year of existence of this league but I think I can compete now with what I've got.

I have Mahomes x2, Jackson, Wilson, Dak, Rodgers (on a squad that is back to back champ right now and I'm not trading him for anyone not named Mahomes or Jackson) and this last squad where I just moved Rodgers.

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4 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

Yes and to your point there are FFPC teams I own where I make this kind of deal and ones I won't. My best team has major cutdown issues right now. I pretty much *have* to make a 2 for 1 or 3 for 2 kind of trade. But everyone has to get to 16 so it's tough for them as well. On this particular team for the 2.04/Rodgers for Conner team I have all kinds of room but really want to slide my bench QBs up a notch. I now have Jimmy G (good not great) as my probably starter with Minshew and Lock up and coming. I'd absolutely rather have Rodgers but I think Lock is possibly Denver's guy they've been needing and Minshew mania is worth another shot. And Rodgers is old as heck. 

If I had room on my team for guys like Jimmy G, Minshew, and Lock then there's no way I'd be rushing to trade Conner for 50 cents on the dollar, personally.

The only time I've ever kept two QBs in FFPC is when I had Luck/Wentz coming off of Wentz's MVP season.

Honestly in your scenario I would cut bait on Jimmy G (he has no upside) and roll the dice on either Minshew or Lock.  Not exactly huge upside plays themselves but if they fall flat on their face you can pretty easily find a Jimmy G quality replacement on the wire in FFPC.

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2 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

If I had room on my team for guys like Jimmy G, Minshew, and Lock then there's no way I'd be rushing to trade Conner for 50 cents on the dollar, personally.

The only time I've ever kept two QBs in FFPC is when I had Luck/Wentz coming off of Wentz's MVP season.

Honestly in your scenario I would cut bait on Jimmy G (he has no upside) and roll the dice on either Minshew or Lock.  Not exactly huge upside plays themselves but if they fall flat on their face you can pretty easily find a Jimmy G quality replacement on the wire in FFPC.

Eh? I didn't trade him I acquired him. 

As for Jimmy G yeah I mostly agree. I'm going to hold thru cuts, though. I think he is a useful starter. Good not great is how I described him earlier. Entirely possible I cut him later though. 

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12 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

I have Mahomes x2, Jackson, Wilson, Dak, Rodgers (on a squad that is back to back champ right now and I'm not trading him for anyone not named Mahomes or Jackson) and this last squad where I just moved Rodgers.

Mahomes, Watson and Kyler are my starting QB's on all my FFPC teams, each one twice. I cut Lamar in one league during his rookie year, and traded him away last year in another, was asked for Watson or Lamar in the trade and so far looks like I chose wrong. Kyle obviously more potential then fantasy performance right now, that's the league I'm probably keeping Jameis if he remains in Tampa. The league I likely keep Dak is a Mahomes team and that seems like such a waste but injuries happen and more then anything I don't want to let someone else use him against me.

Sorry for non-trade talk people, but it is slow here.

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7 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

Eh? I didn't trade him I acquired him. 

As for Jimmy G yeah I mostly agree. I'm going to hold thru cuts, though. I think he is a useful starter. Good not great is how I described him earlier. Entirely possible I cut him later though. 

Yeah my mistake on Conner, forgot you were getting him.  Good deal ;)

I just don't see the point in holding good but not great at QB in FFPC unless you believe he has some real upside.  Jimmy G was QB23 in PPG last year.  You can find 6 guys ranked better than that on the waiver wire at any point in the year in FFPC.  There's no way I would roster more than one of Lock/Minshew/Jimmy personally.  Even if you have room for them I'd rather use that space to buy someone on the cutting block from a stacked team for a late pick.  There are always plenty of people looking to sell good players on the cheap this time of year in FFPC.

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2 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Yeah my mistake on Conner, forgot you were getting him.  Good deal ;)

I just don't see the point in holding good but not great at QB in FFPC unless you believe he has some real upside.  Jimmy G was QB23 in PPG last year.  You can find 6 guys ranked better than that on the waiver wire at any point in the year in FFPC.  There's no way I would roster more than one of Lock/Minshew/Jimmy personally.  Even if you have room for them I'd rather use that space to buy someone on the cutting block from a stacked team for a late pick.  There are always plenty of people looking to sell good players on the cheap this time of year in FFPC.

I honestly, speaking from even a redraft perspective, wouldn't hold more than one of those QBs in a twelve team standard. I think those are really just clogging up roster spots. 

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4 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Yeah my mistake on Conner, forgot you were getting him.  Good deal ;)

I just don't see the point in holding good but not great at QB in FFPC unless you believe he has some real upside.  Jimmy G was QB23 in PPG last year.  You can find 6 guys ranked better than that on the waiver wire at any point in the year in FFPC.  There's no way I would roster more than one of Lock/Minshew/Jimmy personally.  Even if you have room for them I'd rather use that space to buy someone on the cutting block from a stacked team for a late pick.  There are always plenty of people looking to sell good players on the cheap this time of year in FFPC.

I agree with the bolded, which is why I'm keeping him in February and March. There really *are* quality QBs available inseason. But we're not there yet. I'm not keeping him because I'm in love with him, I'm keeping him because he plays QB and my team requires a starter each week. Right now we don't actually know what is happening with Minshew, though I have faith he will be the starter and that he will improve, and I am not ready to commit to starting Lock. So the point in keeping Jimmy G is that he is serviceable and currently fills a need. I'm not planting any flag with him but I'm not ready to cut him either. As for buying good players for cheap, I've done a couple of those already, and so far the names people have been offering have been pretty lame, but I did do a couple. Also keep in mind, if another deal materializes where my extra room on my roster becomes thin, I will gladly cut one of these guys to make room. Right now I am down to 17 with probably 4 names I'm willing to cut (including Jimmy and Lock). 

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9 minutes ago, rockaction said:

I honestly, speaking from even a redraft perspective, wouldn't hold more than one of those QBs in a twelve team standard. I think those are really just clogging up roster spots. 

In FFPC I would normally agree, this is the *one* exception of my 7 FFPC (or FFPC style) leagues. In all the rest I only carry one QB. Right now there are not any difficult cut decisions on this one team that would qualify as "clogging". That is a real phenomenom but if I acquire more pieces and need to cut someone, I'll gladly cut him.

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1 hour ago, That one guy said:

The 3 I’ve done in my 12-team superflex/TE premium:

gave - Deebo/M Gesicki/2.12

got - 1.04/David Johnson

 

gave - Ian Thomas/3.02

got - DJ Chark/4.07

 

gave - 1.04/1.10

got - 1.01

I'd say you did well in all of those deals.  That person must be a real Ian Thomas believer to make that Chark deal.

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2 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I'd say you did well in all of those deals.  That person must be a real Ian Thomas believer to make that Chark deal.

I liked his other deals but I don't play in superflex to don't usually respond to those trades. I get consensus thinks Chark is way better then Ian Thomas. I don't think people are going to feel that way in a TE premium league this time next year.

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5 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I liked his other deals but I don't play in superflex to don't usually respond to those trades. I get consensus thinks Chark is way better then Ian Thomas. I don't think people are going to feel that way in a TE premium league this time next year.

You may be right and I don't play in any TE premium leagues at all and I'm sure roster construction matters but in a vacuum, I'd rather have Chark than Thomas but Chark could be a flash in the pan also.

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11 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

You may be right and I don't play in any TE premium leagues at all and I'm sure roster construction matters but in a vacuum, I'd rather have Chark than Thomas but Chark could be a flash in the pan also.

I'm not even trying to knock Chark and I admittedly got FFPC in my head to much where WR's seem to grow on trees and TE's are a little harder to come by but I think Ian Thomas is poised to breakout. But saying that  I certainly understand the player who actually did break out is more highly valued then the one someone thinks will break out. So I'm not trying to knock anyone's opinion who thinks this was a one sided deal for team getting Chark,  this is just one of those deals I think people will view differently this time next year and again that's not due to negative feelings on Chark.

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I like Thomas well enough but there are 5 TEs like him every year that are going to be the next big breakout and rarely do they ever end up being so.

It's such a crapshoot.  I love getting my hands on those guys where I can as a nice lotto ticket, but I wouldn't give up someone like Chark for any of them.  There isn't any FFPC dynasty ADP data yet but in FFPC redrafts Chark is at 5.1 and Thomas at 8.9.  They are both young so I doubt that gap will be much closer in dynasty.

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4 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

I like Thomas well enough but there are 5 TEs like him every year that are going to be the next big breakout and rarely do they ever end up being so.

 

I like to think my success rate of TE's I think are going to break out that do is a little higher then you are illustrating here and fwiw I got 3 TE's this year I belive will break out, Ian is one of the 3 and also the one I value the least of the 3.

But one thing I would say to this is I'm cutting or giving away WR's like John Brown in FFPC whose production was on par with Chark last year. Granted John Brown is older and that's a huge part of the equation but people are not walking away from productive 29 year old TE's like I'm walking away from John Brown types. So maybe Chark takes his game up another level, due to his age quite possible, but if not he's just someone I view as much more easily replaceable.

I would make it clear I would not trade Chark for Ian straight up, but felt that trade in a superflex league, which I don't play but assume it pushes QB's way up, I think that 3.2 over the 4.7 is a solid upgrade. Maybe a tad light but I felt the trade was at least close to fair,  I expect me to be on an island with that opinion, I'll be interested to see if more people want to join my island next year.

 

 

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1 hour ago, menobrown said:

I like to think my success rate of TE's I think are going to break out that do is a little higher then you are illustrating here and fwiw I got 3 TE's this year I belive will break out, Ian is one of the 3 and also the one I value the least of the 3.

But one thing I would say to this is I'm cutting or giving away WR's like John Brown in FFPC whose production was on par with Chark last year. Granted John Brown is older and that's a huge part of the equation but people are not walking away from productive 29 year old TE's like I'm walking away from John Brown types. So maybe Chark takes his game up another level, due to his age quite possible, but if not he's just someone I view as much more easily replaceable.

I would make it clear I would not trade Chark for Ian straight up, but felt that trade in a superflex league, which I don't play but assume it pushes QB's way up, I think that 3.2 over the 4.7 is a solid upgrade. Maybe a tad light but I felt the trade was at least close to fair,  I expect me to be on an island with that opinion, I'll be interested to see if more people want to join my island next year.

 

 

We could be joining you but Ian could be what Njoku, OJ Howard, or Herndon that people were talking up this time last year.  For every 1 TE that breaks out there seems to be 2-3 that fall flat that people were way too high on early.

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7 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

We could be joining you but Ian could be what Njoku, OJ Howard, or Herndon that people were talking up this time last year.  For every 1 TE that breaks out there seems to be 2-3 that fall flat that people were way too high on early.

I honestly never thought Njoku or Howard would break out last year, think both still can in right situation but neither were in that situation last year and so far nothing has changed so I still don't see them as having breakout potential unless they get moved and then I'll reassess. So with all due respect to you and freebagel when you guys throw these numbers at me of TE's that people think will break out that don't those numbers don't necessarily apply to me. But yes I for sure have misses. 

I did have Herndon as a break out candidate last year. I missed that one but then again any player who can only get in 18 snaps before his season is over is not going to break out. I'm a little less enthused about him but he still might break out but for the time being I'll own that miss.

I actually did a poor job identifying breakout TE's last year.  I had just two breakout candidates at TE last year,  Herndon and Goedert.  I did not expect big numbers from Goedert unless Ertz went down and I think his value is up so I did ok on that one. I mainly say I did a poor job last year because I failed to identify Waller and Andrews. I never saw Higbee coming either if we want to call him a breakout.

This year Hockeonson, Fant and Ian Thomas are my breakout guys-in that order.  No one will remember this talk in late December next year, but if you do I'm putting it on record and I'm good with anyone pulling this up and bashing my success rate if I fail.

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8 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I honestly never thought Njoku or Howard would break out last year, think both still can in right situation but neither were in that situation last year and so far nothing has changed so I still don't see them as having breakout potential unless they get moved and then I'll reassess. So with all due respect to you and freebagel when you guys throw these numbers at me of TE's that people think will break out that don't those numbers don't necessarily apply to me. But yes I for sure have misses. 

I did have Herndon as a break out candidate last year. I missed that one but then again any player who can only get in 18 snaps before his season is over is not going to break out. I'm a little less enthused about him but he still might break out but for the time being I'll own that miss.

I actually did a poor job identifying breakout TE's last year.  I had just two breakout candidates at TE last year,  Herndon and Goedert.  I did not expect big numbers from Goedert unless Ertz went down and I think his value is up so I did ok on that one. I mainly say I did a poor job last year because I failed to identify Waller and Andrews. I never saw Higbee coming either if we want to call him a breakout.

This year Hockeonson, Fant and Ian Thomas are my breakout guys-in that order.  No one will remember this talk in late December next year, but if you do I'm putting it on record and I'm good with anyone pulling this up and bashing my success rate if I fail.

Fant and Hockenson are more akin to Njoku/Howard imo, given their pedigree, early success, and relative ADP at this time of year.

Ian Thomas is more in that opportunity/flash area of potential TE breakouts.  His current ADP is in the same area as where Herndon, Gesicki, Andrews, Vance, and Doyle were in February of last year.  In 2018 at this time of year it was Goedert, Sefarian-Jenkins, Shaheen, Eifert, Hooper, Burton, Everett, and Jonnu.  2017 around now was Clay, Brate, Martellus, Fiedorowicz, Cook, Zach Miller.

It seems like most years there are 0-1 guys that break out from a list of 5-7 in this kind of range.  Obviously if you are good at identifying that 1 then that is a big advantage, but Chark seems like an expensive price to pay to take that shot.

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20 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Fant and Hockenson are more akin to Njoku/Howard imo, given their pedigree, early success, and relative ADP at this time of year.

Ian Thomas is more in that opportunity/flash area of potential TE breakouts.  His current ADP is in the same area as where Herndon, Gesicki, Andrews, Vance, and Doyle were in February of last year.  In 2018 at this time of year it was Goedert, Sefarian-Jenkins, Shaheen, Eifert, Hooper, Burton, Everett, and Jonnu.

 

You referenced Thomas having an FFPC redraft ADP of 8.9 and understand it's redraft and best ball at that but we don't have much of a guide right now. But where do you see that? Fantasymojo? The only FFPC ADP data  I see on that site  is redraft best ball and Thomas is going in 11th(ETA a lot of his ADP data was before Olsen release).

I'm seeing Fant and Hockenson as 8th round guys in that format. In FFPC best ball leagues this time last year, thru end of February, Howard had an ADP of 5.1 and Njoku at 5.5 which is about a whopping 3 round difference. Not seeing that as relative ADP right now unless you are looking at something different then me.

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4 minutes ago, menobrown said:

You referenced Thomas having an FFPC redraft ADP of 8.9 and understand it's redraft and best ball at that but we don't have much of a guide right now. But where do you see that? Fantasymojo? The only FFPC ADP data  I see on that site  is redraft best ball and Thomas is going in 11th.

I'm seeing Fant and Hockenson as 8th round guys in that format. In FFPC best ball leagues this time last year, thru end of February, Howard had an ADP of 5.1 and Njoku at 5.5 which is about a whopping 3 round difference. Not seeing that as relative ADP right now unless you are looking at something different then me.

Since there isn't yet any FFPC dynasty ADP I was just pulling from regular dynasty ADP.  Not TE Premium so not ideal but since we're not moving across positions and looking only at TEs here I figure they should all scale pretty equally when adjusted for FFPC (IE when I pulled the guys from 2017-2019 to compare to I used their non-TE premium ADP as well).

In that Fant/Hockenson currently have ADPs in the 7th/8th round.  Howard/Njoku last year were 5th round and they also all have the similarities of draft pedigree and production for rookies.  Maybe a better comparison would have been to Howard/Njoku's 2nd year ADP (7th round) but either way Fant/Hock are a lot closer to those guys than to Thomas (13th round ADP currently).

Thomas in the 13th round is more similar to the guys I mentioned above (12th-15th rounds) who were all in that same area in those other years.  Obviously Thomas' ADP will be higher in FFPC but so would those guys have been in FFPC ADP's in those other years.  I guess I probably should have included 11th round as well to get a nice even spread which would have added Burton/Hockenson in 2019, Doyle/Reed/Ebron in 2018, and Rudolph/Engram in 2017.

 

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2 hours ago, menobrown said:

I like to think my success rate of TE's I think are going to break out that do is a little higher then you are illustrating here and fwiw I got 3 TE's this year I belive will break out, Ian is one of the 3 and also the one I value the least of the 3.

But one thing I would say to this is I'm cutting or giving away WR's like John Brown in FFPC whose production was on par with Chark last year. Granted John Brown is older and that's a huge part of the equation but people are not walking away from productive 29 year old TE's like I'm walking away from John Brown types. So maybe Chark takes his game up another level, due to his age quite possible, but if not he's just someone I view as much more easily replaceable.

I would make it clear I would not trade Chark for Ian straight up, but felt that trade in a superflex league, which I don't play but assume it pushes QB's way up, I think that 3.2 over the 4.7 is a solid upgrade. Maybe a tad light but I felt the trade was at least close to fair,  I expect me to be on an island with that opinion, I'll be interested to see if more people want to join my island next year.

 

 

Again, we're in agreement. I feel the same way. I've hit on Andrews, Waller, Kittle, and I'll include Higbee just in the sense that I acquired him off waivers and now a couple weak TE groupings of mine are suddenly elite.

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5 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

but either way Fant/Hock are a lot closer to those guys than to Thomas (13th round ADP currently).

 

 

Did not say otherwise, called them obvious break out candidates but still not nearly as coveted as Njoku or Howard were by the masses last year.

I'd rather have any of the Iowa TE's straight up over Chark in FFPC.  Chark is for sure worth Thomas plus, how much of a plus is where I diverge from the group here.

You keep pointing out TE's going in an area on assumption those were my breakout TE's and I'm not sure why. My opinions are purely mine and when I give them out I'm basing it on my rankings of were I had players. I will own my misses, have tried to point those out in this conversation, what and where other people valued these TE's last year is not relevant to me believing the side that got Thomas might end up prevailing.

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1 hour ago, menobrown said:

Kind of obvious one's but I just posted them before I saw your message. And btw I'd still put Herndon as a breakout candidate so if we want to call this 4 I'm good with that but I don't feel as confident on him.

I think the important thing to remember here is that we play in at least one league together and I am shamelessly trying to steal info.  😃   But no, I was not surprised by either of those names.  They’re on my list, too.

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1 hour ago, menobrown said:

I honestly never thought Njoku or Howard would break out last year, think both still can in right situation but neither were in that situation last year and so far nothing has changed so I still don't see them as having breakout potential unless they get moved and then I'll reassess. So with all due respect to you and freebagel when you guys throw these numbers at me of TE's that people think will break out that don't those numbers don't necessarily apply to me. But yes I for sure have misses. 

I did have Herndon as a break out candidate last year. I missed that one but then again any player who can only get in 18 snaps before his season is over is not going to break out. I'm a little less enthused about him but he still might break out but for the time being I'll own that miss.

I actually did a poor job identifying breakout TE's last year.  I had just two breakout candidates at TE last year,  Herndon and Goedert.  I did not expect big numbers from Goedert unless Ertz went down and I think his value is up so I did ok on that one. I mainly say I did a poor job last year because I failed to identify Waller and Andrews. I never saw Higbee coming either if we want to call him a breakout.

This year Hockeonson, Fant and Ian Thomas are my breakout guys-in that order.  No one will remember this talk in late December next year, but if you do I'm putting it on record and I'm good with anyone pulling this up and bashing my success rate if I fail.

I was really high on Andrews, Waller, and Hooper last year and had them in a ton of leagues.  I just don't know if I have Thomas there.  We don't know who will be playing QB, CMC is still going to be the man there, and I don't trust college coaches in the pros.  I do agree on Fant, Hock (to a lower level), and Jannu Smith this year.  For the record, I wasn't referring to you with OJ/Njoku....I was more talking in general.  I heard a ton of hype last year from all over about those guys and I just didn't understand it.

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26 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

why was Chark given away? TE premium?

 

I wouldn't say he was given away and I did say that I have never played in a TE premium league so my valuation could be a little skewed in that regard.  I do think he took a huge step forward was a WR1 for most of the season and could be better if the Stache improves.  Could be a good move and the big pick upgrade makes along with TE scoring makes it relatively fair.  I just wouldn't have made the move unless I was crazy deep at WR and had a big TE need.

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7 minutes ago, hunter1 said:

I think the important thing to remember here is that we play in at least one league together and I am shamelessly trying to steal info.  😃   But no, I was not surprised by either of those names.  They’re on my list, too.

Yea I know we are in the same league but you are to good at this for anything I say to influence you. Same for Aunt Jemima who often posts here but I've not seen in awhile. I don't think I'm swaying any of you on anything I say.

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7 hours ago, menobrown said:

Did not say otherwise, called them obvious break out candidates but still not nearly as coveted as Njoku or Howard were by the masses last year.

I'd rather have any of the Iowa TE's straight up over Chark in FFPC.  Chark is for sure worth Thomas plus, how much of a plus is where I diverge from the group here.

You keep pointing out TE's going in an area on assumption those were my breakout TE's and I'm not sure why. My opinions are purely mine and when I give them out I'm basing it on my rankings of were I had players. I will own my misses, have tried to point those out in this conversation, what and where other people valued these TE's last year is not relevant to me believing the side that got Thomas might end up prevailing.

Sorry I was talking more in a general sense.  When I evaluate trades I can't/don't really account for an owner's tendencies and am typically just approaching it from a general standpoint.  Similar to sometimes you see people overpaying for picks and mentioning that they tend to draft better than average, but I don't really account for that when offering my feelings on which side of the trade came out ahead.

If you feel you're able to consistently bat well above average on those mid/late round TE breakouts then more power to ya, and I appreciate you sharing your trio for this year because I picked Herndon and Howard over Andrews and Engram in most of my drafts last year :kicksrock:

 

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1 hour ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Sorry I was talking more in a general sense.  When I evaluate trades I can't/don't really account for an owner's tendencies and am typically just approaching it from a general standpoint.  Similar to sometimes you see people overpaying for picks and mentioning that they tend to draft better than average, but I don't really account for that when offering my feelings on which side of the trade came out ahead.

If you feel you're able to consistently bat well above average on those mid/late round TE breakouts then more power to ya, and I appreciate you sharing your trio for this year because I picked Herndon and Howard over Andrews and Engram in most of my drafts last year :kicksrock:

 

It's all good, I enjoy our civil discussions.

I'm not trying to come across as a TE guru. I probably failed in what I was trying to get across is I don't have a huge sleeper/breakout TE list this year or most years. Usually a few guys, fair to say most of the time it's second year TE's or TE's that were buried like Thomas.  Gesicki had a solid year.  A lot of people are high on Jonnu Smith. You won't hear me calling them breakout players and I actually own(ed) them. So just trying to point out when I label Ian Thomas as breakout TE I'm not just throwing a bunch of TE's up against the wall.

As for Ian Thomas he entered the league extremely raw. Two years of major college football and one of those years he caught a whopping 3 passes. If you recall Olsen went down in week one of his rookie year. He got thrust into the lineup but he did not do much, which is pretty understandable considering he's was a super raw rookie TE forced to start in week 2 of his career.  Olsen went down again in week 13 early in the game and I just never got out of my head how impressive he did in that 5 game stretch, especially again considering he was a super raw rookie.  For better or worse that's when Cam's shoulder was causing him issues and he could not throw deep so maybe had to rely on Ian more in short passing game but in TE premium scoring he went for 12.1, 21.2, 4.4, 16.8 and 22.6.  Again that was pretty impressive to me, maybe a bit of confirmation bias on my part because I liked him coming into the league as parts of his game reminded me of Gates but that's great rookie TE production albeit for a 5 game stretch. Fast forward to this year Olsen is healthy and they seem to value Manhertz more as the blocking TE so he does nothing. Then Olsen goes down again and in the two games without Olsen he goes for 19.2 and 6.3.

He's had 9 games in his career without Olsen playing at all. 9 games is not much in general and his production as a whole in those 9 games was average but considering 6 of those games 9 games he was a rookie, and again a very raw one, his production was not bad. Actually better in FFPC scoring then Fant or Hockenson last year. This reeks of playing with stats to prove a point, which I'm not but just how I look at it but 3 of those 9 games with Olsen was his 2nd-5th games of his career when I'm sure he was lost AF.  When he got a chance to start later in his rookie year he looked like a different player and again a sample size of 6 is pretty damn paltry but in the 6 starts he had since week 5 of his rookie year he's put up a solid 14+ PPG in FFPC scoring and again for better or worse those 6 starts where with injured shoulder Cam who could barely throw and Kyle Allen.

Who knows who the QB will be next year but does not seem like over long term it would not be worse then what he's played with.  Who knows exactly what kind of system Brady will run but it looks to me like it's pretty TE friendly. His short time in the NFL he was with Saints who run one of friendliest TE systems in the league and Thad Moss went from 6 to 47 catches under Brady last year.

One other thing that really caught my attention this off-season. Eric Beinemy said when he interviewed for the HC job one of the things he discussed was his vision for certain players and how he planned to use them and he only mentioned 2-3 players when he said this  and Ian Thomas was one of them. 

Sorry to go long on Ian Thomas people, but just trying to point out I got specific reasons why I like him as a breakout candidate and not just throwing a bunch of TE's up against a wall hoping one sticks.

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28 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

1qb ppr

Gave Guice, Goff

Got 1.3

 

I've got 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.6 now

 

For the record I do still have faith in Guice and it was tough to let him go, but the odds are better that I made out well

I like Guice well enough but he's not worth anything close to the 1.03 right now and Goff has very little value in 1qb. This is 1.03 in a landslide. 

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I just accepted this one in ffpc superflex 

Give: Wilson, Kirk, 1.07

Get: Wentz, Adams, 2.10

I am very weak at wr (Kirk/McLaurin were going to be the only WRs on my roster after cuts) so I was pretty happy to get this sent to me out of the blue. 

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On 2/20/2020 at 9:32 AM, That one guy said:

The 3 I’ve done in my 12-team superflex/TE premium:

gave - Deebo/M Gesicki/2.12

got - 1.04/David Johnson

 

gave - Ian Thomas/3.02

got - DJ Chark/4.07

 

gave - 1.04/1.10

got - 1.01

Only one I think is all that close is the last one. But I still do it today, maybe not post draft. But if one of the big RBs lands in KC, that becomes a steal.

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On 2/21/2020 at 9:43 PM, FreeBaGeL said:

I just accepted this one in ffpc superflex 

Give: Wilson, Kirk, 1.07

Get: Wentz, Adams, 2.10

I am very weak at wr (Kirk/McLaurin were going to be the only WRs on my roster after cuts) so I was pretty happy to get this sent to me out of the blue. 

Close and having the 1.7 is great this year and I like Wilson more than Wentz.  However, Adams and the 2.10 for the 1.07 is too much.  I'll lean to the Wentz, Adams, and 2.10 pick, but it is close.

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