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Totally agree there. Teams don't like admitting they are wrong (especially in the 1st). So he will get a ton of opportunities and the Pats should still be decent without TB12. I definitely get the argument and until we know what Tua can be in Miami (or whatever QB they draft), it is hard to say for sure who has the most upside but I'm sure Miami would give up on Williams well before NE does on Harry.
Miami had five wins last season and started off the year with some historic level blowouts. Sure that's better than the zero some expected but they got some Fitzmagic and played some other terrible teams like the Jets, Washington, Cinncy etc. Nevertheless, they were still devoid of talent on their roster. They have a lot of picks this draft and there are a lot of good WRs available - who knows what they do?
All true. Obviously Harry has upside. I just don't trust NE's WR drafting ability personally. You are also very right on Miami lacking talent with selling their top players for draft picks and cutting guys. I guess I was lower on Harry than those guys during the draft last year personally so I value him less before draft position. You definitely aren't wrong though.
I think this is a great move really. As long as that 1st next year isn't a high one. I agree that Juju is by far the best player here and you got a very good talent in Pittman as well as a 2nd back. Good trade and buy low on Juju. I'm trying to do the same in my league.
Team A wins the trade. There are not a lot of people that currently see much value in Gordon, so this trade was a best case scenario if you wanted to move him. The IDPs aren't big losses, so Team A did well.
Metcalf side. I think that’s terrible. Three beat up nickels for a dollar. Depending how deep the league is, hines and the picks have value as well
I agree with you. I think my "even" is misleading. Industry calculators have it at even. I think they're very wrong.
No one will touch David Johnson in the league I have him. The best counter I received was a 2.10. I also have Cooks in that league. If I could package both for DK it would be a no brainer (and I still like Cooks a lot).
All about personal preference...if you are real high on only two players the price for getting the 1.2 is solid...if you are real high on four players then you added another quality pick with the 2.1 and that makes sense...if there is a risk that the guy you really want at 1.4 will not be there I would not make this deal because the return is not lights out.
I like this kind of deal AFTER the NFL draft. My concern with making this type of deal now is what happens if the 2-3 guys you like at 1.04 go to horrible situations? Now you either have to take your guy in a bad situation or drop down a tier and take a guy you don’t have ranked as highly in a good situation.
Everyone says after. What if there are a few guys ahead of you that also want to drop down because of the nature of the draft pool this year? Asking for a friend...
Then you don’t drop back. You take one of your 3-4 guys in the best situation at 1.02.
Solid, but even if rebuilding? Don't you want bodies and the extra picks? I'm asking prodding questions, and looking for what you really believe, so don't sugarcoat it.
I personally don’t want bodies if those bodies are in crappy situations. That’s my person perspective. I don’t want to wait 3-4 years for a guy to produce. I’d rather have a stud in a great situation than a stud in a crappy situation + a “possibly” good player at 13 with who knows what kind of situation.
Didn't think you were, which is why I asked. Thanks for your input. Great question about the Supplemental Draft a few weeks ago, too, so I know I've got a thoughtful source chiming in. Anyway, this helps me out. Further clarifies the thought process.
So does this, the contra.
That’s fine as your perspective. I’m personally more of a situation guy. I think those top 4-5 guys are interchangeable in terms of talent... most people may disagree with me... that’s fine. I want to know where they land and the 1.02 gives me that flexibility. That’s why the 1.02 is consistently worth more than the 1.04 every year.
Agreed...bottom-line is you control your own destiny far more which is where you want to be right now...especially when the return is the 13th player in the draft...IMO that is not enough to lose control over what you can do.
First blush has side getting Hill by a lot, checked with calc and it's side getting Hill by a lot.
That kind of trade is what builds champions, moving lesser pieces (and older pieces losing value like Hilton) for elite young studs. Give me Hill without question.
I’ve been thinking about this a bit more and I came up with another reason I’d prefer to Keep the 1.02. Now I’ll be making quite a few assumptions so bare with me. I know this may be unlikely but it is something to think about.
Definitely Hill...the Hill owner is very lucky here...he was able to get a legit fantasy stud who is only 26 and did not give up any real core assets...first of all not giving up a first round pick when obtaining Hill is a small miracle...Hilton is 30 years old and the exact type of player you should not be targeting when giving up a stud...Gordon has some appeal but does not move the needle too much for me in this package...a deal like this makes zero sense to me for many reasons but here is the biggest...you can absolutely find a better deal...no way I will believe you can't do considerably better when you are dangling foundation piece like Hill.
These are the type of deals you used to get away with in fantasy 25 years ago...I will give you five guys for your one guy...come'on, how can you beat that?
I prefer the Hill side but in a 30 man roster league don't feel as strongly negative about it was others have posted and the only WR I would even consider taking over Hill in dynasty is Thomas.
This one is difficult for me, all depends how things look after the NFL draft.
Just a bunch of typos on my part.
Not me. It depends, looking at everything in context, but generally I don't care for the "wait for x,y,z to happen because the value will be more in your favor or it will be easier to make a trade, etc." There is absolutely truth to some of that, and it is often the wise move. But here is the thing - the clock is ticking and if you want to make a deal, others might beat you to it. Don't be making a deal for the sake of making a deal, but once a deal is done with someone else it is *much* harder to get a new deal done. That person could flip whatever they bought to you, but in my experience most people who bought an asset are either looking for more when they flip, or they really wanted whatever it is they bought.
I think the Henderson side wins in value. Not sure what to make of Henderson myself...
Another deal I wouldn't make until draft day...if the Rams go RB in the second round you will regret this deal...if they don't then it's a solid deal and I like getting that extra 2.03 this year...since I am not a big Henderson guy I like what the other guy gets back in return...nice deal for both teams...one other thing I like for the other guy is he has set himself up very well to make another deal.
1-Gallup is on a nice upward trajectory I would stick with him
I get your reasoning but this isn't a deal you would get to make on draft day. The price is set for today. If you wait until draft day he is either going to be much more expensive or much cheaper. So this is *not* a deal that would be possible to wait until after the draft - that would be a much different deal. But yes there is risk. I really don't think the Rams take a high back, but wouldn't be surprised if they took one later. Either way I still like Henderson a lot as I think he competes and wins at worst the 1A role. But yes if they draft a back in the 2nd then I will have a few teams that I say "#### #### Barbara Streisand" and bang the table and then move on. But I don't get this price next month if they don't take a back early.
