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3 minutes ago, Milkman said:

Have you won a lot of trades in that league? The leagues perception of you can change what value you can get. I normally wait until it's my turn to pick and announce that the pick is available. See if anyone contacts me. 

I had 1.8 in 3 different leagues and was able to trade it once and it was the league I've won almost every trade in last 6 years. I really can't think of one I lost, been wildly lucky,  but that does not necessarily shoot a hole in your theory. The other two leagues my main focus was shopping the 8 for a 2021#1 but the league I actually sold the 1.8  I ended up doing 3/8 for 1.1 when I had 3,4,6 and 8 to work with.  But at one point I had got rejected on my offer of 3/8 for 1 in that league and when I went to try and move 8 for a 2019 first I ruffled some feathers. Made one offer of 1.8 for 2.9 and a 2021#1 and the guy lit into me, saying no wonder I got 4 #1's offering these BS trades but I'd need to find another dummy. Thought it was a reasonable request myself but that's a team that almost never wins a trade and I win like all of them in that league so I think what you say in the bolded was in play in that trade discussion.

The other two leagues I mulled best approach and split the difference. I knew we had a Big 7 that had formed so the gamble was wait and hope slim chance one of Big 7 falls to 8,  but I also knew the most likely outcome was the Big 7 went and that would hurt the marketability of the pick. So in one league I posted the morning of the draft the pick was available, the other I said nothing, in both leagues I shopped the hell out of the pick when OTC but found no takers.

My theory on difficulty of moving a pick like 1.8 goes like this.

I think what is at play, especially in FFPC leagues, is when a team has a chance to draft an upper echelon RB they do. I was in 6 FFPC drafts this weekend and all 6 went RB first 5 picks and then all 6 had some combo of Juedy/Lamb at 6/7.

I just think with poor track record of so many first round WR's last few years it's just really hard to get someone to give up a future first to draft a WR. And if they do it usually needs to be a highly coveted WR like a Juedy or Lamb.

I would add that in none of those 6 leagues did any team deal their first round pick for a 2021#1. Not sure how hard other people tried, but no one pulled it off in my leagues.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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No, they won't accept

I don't know why so many people are saying that this is a fair return (despite preferring CMC as they should). It isn't. This is a fraction of what it should cost for a guy like CMC, either that or th

You mean it went down in a league you used to be in??  I’d go ful Vontae Davis on that league asap 

1 hour ago, menobrown said:

I had 1.8 in 3 different leagues and was able to trade it once and it was the league I've won almost every trade in last 6 years. I really can't think of one I lost, been wildly lucky,  but that does not necessarily shoot a hole in your theory. The other two leagues my main focus was shopping the 8 for a 2021#1 but the league I actually sold the 1.8  I ended up doing 3/8 for 1.1 when I had 3,4,6 and 8 to work with.  But at one point I had got rejected on my offer of 3/8 for 1 in that league and when I went to try and move 8 for a 2019 first I ruffled some feathers. Made one offer of 1.8 for 2.9 and a 2021#1 and the guy lit into me, saying no wonder I got 4 #1's offering these BS trades but I'd need to find another dummy. Thought it was a reasonable request myself but that's a team that almost never wins a trade and I win like all of them in that league so I think what you say in the bolded was in play in that trade discussion.

The other two leagues I mulled best approach and split the difference. I knew we had a Big 7 that had formed so the gamble was wait and hope slim chance one of Big 7 falls to 8,  but I also knew the most likely outcome was the Big 7 went and that would hurt the marketability of the pick. So in one league I posted the morning of the draft the pick was available, the other I said nothing, in both leagues I shopped the hell out of the pick when OTC but found no takers.

My theory on difficulty of moving a pick like 1.8 goes like this.

I think what is at play, especially in FFPC leagues, is when a team has a chance to draft an upper echelon RB they do. I was in 6 FFPC drafts this weekend and all 6 went RB first 5 picks and then all 6 had some combo of Juedy/Lamb at 6/7.

I just think with poor track record of so many first round WR's last few years it's just really hard to get someone to give up a future first to draft a WR. And if they do it usually needs to be a highly coveted WR like a Juedy or Lamb.

I would add that in none of those 6 leagues did any team deal their first round pick for a 2021#1. Not sure how hard other people tried, but no one pulled it off in my leagues.

Well damn now I feel like a dolt for dealing my 2021 1st for 2.01 in FFPC when Justin Jefferson was still on the board.

What you're saying makes a lot of sense though.  Not just the WR busts in recent years but also the overwhelming overpresence of solid WR2's available right now in a league setup where you only have to start 2 WRs.  A WR you draft really needs to have a good chance of turning into a difference maker.  A young solid WR2 just doesn't hold much value in the format.

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11 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Well damn now I feel like a dolt for dealing my 2021 1st for 2.01 in FFPC when Justin Jefferson was still on the board.

What you're saying makes a lot of sense though.  Not just the WR busts in recent years but also the overwhelming overpresence of solid WR2's available right now in a league setup where you only have to start 2 WRs.  A WR you draft really needs to have a good chance of turning into a difference maker.  A young solid WR2 just doesn't hold much value in the format.

You got a difference maker in Jefferson.  Love that move.

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6 hours ago, hispeedthinmint said:

I thought Jeudy was in line for the 1.08 or so?

Jeudy's draft rank is seven and then there's a steep drop off. He's part of the big seven people keep talking about. His ADP according to data pulled from MFL and into Dynasty League Football's graph has his ADP at 5.93, Jefferson's is over 9.5 and he's next. It's pretty clear where the division lies. 

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A few from the last couple of days. 

Gave 2.4, 2.5, ‘21 1st for Jacobs, 4.2

Gave 1.5 (Akers), 1.8 (Jefferson), 3.8 for Drake, Chark, 2.4 for a win-now team

Gave Julio, Parker, Hooper for Adams, Lazard

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A few rookie draft trades OTC in 12 team PPR QRRWWWT:

Team A gave 1.04, 2.08, Deebo, Team B gave 1.06, 1.11, 2.04 

I think team A wanted to get one of Jefferson or Reagor at 11 for Deebo, and didn't care which of Dobbins, Swift, Akers he got. He ended up with Akers. Dobbins was 4.

Team A gave 1.11 and 2.04, Team C gave 1.10 and 2.07

I'm team C. Reagor and Jefferson were available, and I slightly preferred Reagor but was happy to let the other guy choose for me (he took Jefferson).

Team C gave 2.04 and 3.06, Team D gave 21 1st (mid to late) 

2.04 was Higgins. I wanted to draft him, but I had a later 2nd that I didn't have roster space for. So I get to keep Anthony McFarland (2.10 pick) as a result of this trade. 

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23 minutes ago, jtd13 said:

A few rookie draft trades OTC in 12 team PPR QRRWWWT:

Team A gave 1.04, 2.08, Deebo, Team B gave 1.06, 1.11, 2.04  Deebo side

I think team A wanted to get one of Jefferson or Reagor at 11 for Deebo, and didn't care which of Dobbins, Swift, Akers he got. He ended up with Akers. Dobbins was 4.

Team A gave 1.11 and 2.04, Team C gave 1.10 and 2.07

I'd need to see who they took. Close

I'm team C. Reagor and Jefferson were available, and I slightly preferred Reagor but was happy to let the other guy choose for me (he took Jefferson).

Team C gave 2.04 and 3.06, Team D gave 21 1st (mid to late) 

Depends how stacked Team C is.....if he needs WR I like the 2.04 spot. There's a good one there.

 

2.04 was Higgins. I wanted to draft him, but I had a later 2nd that I didn't have roster space for. So I get to keep Anthony McFarland (2.10 pick) as a result of this trade. 

 

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28 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Gordon is burnt toast.

So I'd rather have the 1.1 versus DS/2.6.

I had Gordon and traded him for 2021 1.xx and 2.7, plus a handcuff. I was happy with that.

I'd rather have 1.1 than Samuel and Gordon and 2.6 by far.

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12 hours ago, cloppbeast said:

Gave Irv Smith and 2021 3rd

Got Austin Hooper and 2021 2nd

interesting trade here

I wouldve thought the hooper owner wouldnt have had to add the higher pick

57 minutes ago, Nero said:

Gave:   Melvin Gordon, Deebo Samuel and 2.6

Received:  1.1

 

1.1 by a lot

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11 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Well damn now I feel like a dolt for dealing my 2021 1st for 2.01 in FFPC when Justin Jefferson was still on the board.

 

I don't hate that at all, Jefferson is my 8th ranked player and who I took when I could not trade out.

I'd add that I would have given up 1.8(Jefferson)  for just any  2021#1. I shopped the picks when I had them but not to everyone.  I tended to look at it this way.

2021 better then average non-playoff pick>Jefferson>2021 strong chance or lock of playoff pick

That's all in a vacuum. How much or little you need a WR, how much roster space you have, etc, etc

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1 hour ago, Nero said:

Gave:   Melvin Gordon, Deebo Samuel and 2.6

Received:  1.1

 

 

11 minutes ago, Pwingles said:

1.1 by a lot

That seems to be the consensus.  I think 1.1 is just not as valuable this year because there is no definitive #1 pick. 

I was just on the other side of this as I moved off of 1.1 for 1.8, 2.3 and 3.1.  It turned out to be Justin Jefferson, Brandon Aiyuk and Van Jefferson.  For that team, those three players work a lot better for my rebuilding plan than taking Swift who I think is the 1.1.

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1 hour ago, Nero said:

Gave:   Melvin Gordon, Deebo Samuel and 2.6

Received:  1.1

 

Need to get a lot more when you are dealing the 1.1...Gordon can help but he is not trending in the right direction and you also have Lindsay there...no way should he be the centerpiece of dealing away the 1.1... love Deebo and think he will help but he just feels like he is gonna be a better real football player then fantasy football player in San Fran...2.6 is not moving the needle...when you are dealing away a big time asset you just can't allow the other owner to nibble around the edges of his roster, they need to give up some of the meat.

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15 minutes ago, Nero said:

 

That seems to be the consensus.  I think 1.1 is just not as valuable this year because there is no definitive #1 pick. 

I was just on the other side of this as I moved off of 1.1 for 1.8, 2.3 and 3.1.  It turned out to be Justin Jefferson, Brandon Aiyuk and Van Jefferson.  For that team, those three players work a lot better for my rebuilding plan than taking Swift who I think is the 1.1.

It's between two guys and Swift isn't one of them.

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10 hours ago, Jaysports said:

A few from the last couple of days. 

Gave 2.4, 2.5, ‘21 1st for Jacobs, 4.2

Gave 1.5 (Akers), 1.8 (Jefferson), 3.8 for Drake, Chark, 2.4 for a win-now team

Gave Julio, Parker, Hooper for Adams, Lazard

I love the Jacobs and Adams trades.  Great value.  The win-now trade makes sense but seems like a lot to pay for Drake/Chark but to be fair, I'm not really high on either of them.

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1 hour ago, Nero said:

Gave:   Melvin Gordon, Deebo Samuel and 2.6

Received:  1.1

 

I'd say 1.1 here pretty easily personally.  Gordon doesn't hold much value especially as this trade ages.  I'm a 9er fan and like Deebo but I don't see him ever reaching WR1 territory in fantasy.  2.6 is a good throw in but not sure this is quite enough.  I got a similar offer for 1.2 and turned it down.

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Big tier drop after the 1.02 pick in rookie drafts this year for me. I want out of the 1st round if I'm picking 1.03-1.10. 

Not sure if it's possible but I'd be looking to acquire buy low guys and 2nds for some of those picks. 

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2 hours ago, Nero said:

Gave:   Melvin Gordon, Deebo Samuel and 2.6

Received:  1.1

 

 

16 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I'd say 1.1 here pretty easily personally.  Gordon doesn't hold much value especially as this trade ages.  I'm a 9er fan and like Deebo but I don't see him ever reaching WR1 territory in fantasy.  2.6 is a good throw in but not sure this is quite enough.  I got a similar offer for 1.2 and turned it down.

The person selling 1.1 didn't earn it, he finished 3rd in the standings and lost in the championship game.

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3 minutes ago, Nero said:

 

The person selling 1.1 didn't earn it, he finished 3rd in the standings and lost in the championship game.

You guys give the 1st overall pick to the team that loses in the championship game?  Seems flawed a bit.  I guess I'm new to dynasty but we do reverse order in the loser's bracket (so everyone has something to play for the entire season) so the winner of consolation bracket gets 1.1 and the last place team gets 1.6.  Then 1.7-1.12 goes to the playoff teams in order of finish the the champ gets the worst pick.  Seems more fair to me.

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I wouldn't have done that deal, but I think Gordon is getting seriously slept on right now. That offense could be prolific this year and if that comes to pass hes as good a lock for 10+ TDs as anyone.  Id say his outlook for the next two years is that of an RB1 rather easily. 

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10 hours ago, Jaysports said:

A few from the last couple of days. 

Gave 2.4, 2.5, ‘21 1st for Jacobs, 4.2

Gave 1.5 (Akers), 1.8 (Jefferson), 3.8 for Drake, Chark, 2.4 for a win-now team

Gave Julio, Parker, Hooper for Adams, Lazard

 I  don't think a scenario exists  in this deal were I'd give up Jacobs if I did not think the 2021#1 has a reasonable shot of being one of the top picks . On the flip side I don't think I'm paying a top pick and chance to likely draft two young WR's(strength of 2.4/2.5 in most drafts) for Jacobs if I think my team is so bad it's going to be a high pick after this trade. So if my team is contending or not, where that pick is expected to land are key factors here.

Picking up Drake and Chark for a win now team makes total sense,  plus the way a lot of drafts went that 2.4 over the 3.8 should not be overrated, most drafts that's a healthy difference in tiers. Still I prefer the Akers/Jefferson side in the old vacuum, but makes sense for both sides.

I prefer the Julio side on that last deal but again can see both sides.  I see nothing in Lazard. I do have Adams a little over Julio for this year just a tad but to me the major difference between the them is the approximate 2 year age gap, which is not nothing. Since I don't know how their games or supporting cast age the best  I can do is put them on  the same trajectory. So using that thought process, which I admit has a lot of faults but best I can do, I'm getting two extra years out of Adams vs Julio at a cost of Parker and Hooper.  I'm pretty flat on Hooper but I still lean Parker/Hooper over 2 years of Adams but it's not that far off.

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3 minutes ago, Vandelay said:

I wouldn't have done that deal, but I think Gordon is getting seriously slept on right now. That offense could be prolific this year and if that comes to pass hes as good a lock for 10+ TDs as anyone.  Id say his outlook for the next two years is that of an RB1 rather easily. 

I 100% agree with everything you are saying but I'd still have done the deal.

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7 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

You guys give the 1st overall pick to the team that loses in the championship game?  Seems flawed a bit.  I guess I'm new to dynasty but we do reverse order in the loser's bracket (so everyone has something to play for the entire season) so the winner of consolation bracket gets 1.1 and the last place team gets 1.6.  Then 1.7-1.12 goes to the playoff teams in order of finish the the champ gets the worst pick.  Seems more fair to me.

I am 99% sure he meant that the team that earned the 1.01 by being the worst (or had earned it in the toilet bowl like you described) had already traded said pick to the guy in this trade. The dude that took 3rd would have earned the 1.10.

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16 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

I am 99% sure he meant that the team that earned the 1.01 by being the worst (or had earned it in the toilet bowl like you described) had already traded said pick to the guy in this trade. The dude that took 3rd would have earned the 1.10.

Ok.  Makes sense.  Not sure why that didn't click.

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47 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I 100% agree with everything you are saying but I'd still have done the deal.

Looking again, I may have said it backwards.  Meant that I'd prefer the 1.01 to Gordon, Deebo, and 2.06.  Starts getting interesting for me at 1.02 though.  If I'm win now I probably prefer the package to Taylor.  Akers would be interesting as I think he has more rookie year production than JT.

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2 hours ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

You guys give the 1st overall pick to the team that loses in the championship game?  Seems flawed a bit.  I guess I'm new to dynasty but we do reverse order in the loser's bracket (so everyone has something to play for the entire season) so the winner of consolation bracket gets 1.1 and the last place team gets 1.6.  Then 1.7-1.12 goes to the playoff teams in order of finish the the champ gets the worst pick.  Seems more fair to me.

When I said he didn’t earn it, I meant he got the pick through a trade. He gave up his 2019 1.9 for a 2020 1st which turned into 1.1.

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2 hours ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

You guys give the 1st overall pick to the team that loses in the championship game?  Seems flawed a bit.  I guess I'm new to dynasty but we do reverse order in the loser's bracket (so everyone has something to play for the entire season) so the winner of consolation bracket gets 1.1 and the last place team gets 1.6.  Then 1.7-1.12 goes to the playoff teams in order of finish the the champ gets the worst pick.  Seems more fair to me.

Hate the worst team in the league getting the 1.06. Just go by points scored. Least points scored gets the 1.01. 

If you want something to play for have winner of the loser bracket get the 13th pick in the draft or something. 

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13 minutes ago, Terpman22 said:

Ok, didn't think it was this slam dunk. Even as an Eagles fan, considering the value at 1.5

I read that backwards. Do not trade Singletary. My bad. 

 

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3 hours ago, menobrown said:

 I  don't think a scenario exists  in this deal were I'd give up Jacobs if I did not think the 2021#1 has a reasonable shot of being one of the top picks . On the flip side I don't think I'm paying a top pick and chance to likely draft two young WR's(strength of 2.4/2.5 in most drafts) for Jacobs if I think my team is so bad it's going to be a high pick after this trade. So if my team is contending or not, where that pick is expected to land are key factors here.

Picking up Drake and Chark for a win now team makes total sense,  plus the way a lot of drafts went that 2.4 over the 3.8 should not be overrated, most drafts that's a healthy difference in tiers. Still I prefer the Akers/Jefferson side in the old vacuum, but makes sense for both sides.

I prefer the Julio side on that last deal but again can see both sides.  I see nothing in Lazard. I do have Adams a little over Julio for this year just a tad but to me the major difference between the them is the approximate 2 year age gap, which is not nothing. Since I don't know how their games or supporting cast age the best  I can do is put them on  the same trajectory. So using that thought process, which I admit has a lot of faults but best I can do, I'm getting two extra years out of Adams vs Julio at a cost of Parker and Hooper.  I'm pretty flat on Hooper but I still lean Parker/Hooper over 2 years of Adams but it's not that far off.

Approximate 4 year age gap between Adams and Julio, which is enormous. 

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Gave: 1.10, 3.10

Got: 2021 1st (mid), Mattison

Big dropoff after the top 9 for me (pick was on the clock and the usual top 7 plus Reagor/Jefferson were all gone), and on top of that I'm a big fan of trading late 1sts for future 1sts because the time value doesn't bother me in a sturdy league.

Don't own Cook but Mattison is a nice wildcard.

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On 4/30/2020 at 11:56 AM, DexterDew said:

trying to consolidate picks:

gave 2.03 and 2.10

got 1.09

should get a good WR there, so many WRs in that 2nd and 3rd tier

some how i got Akers here after passing on him at 1.03 and 1.06 (Dobbins n Swift)

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On 4/25/2020 at 11:45 AM, DexterDew said:

took over a rebuild with only two pieces (Jackson and Kupp) and somehow finished well enough to get 1.06, etc.

12 team graded PPR (0.5, 1.0, 1.5)

Sent Kupp

Got 1.07. 2.07, Washington (Pit) and Cohen (i have Montgomery)

was able to trade back from the 1.07 so this is the net results:

Sent Kupp, 3.06 and 4.06

Got Ruggs, Higgins, Edwards (plus Washington and Cohen). Plus my 1.06/2.06 netted Lamb and Shenault

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1 hour ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Gave: 1.10, 3.10

Got: 2021 1st (mid), Mattison

Big dropoff after the top 9 for me (pick was on the clock and the usual top 7 plus Reagor/Jefferson were all gone), and on top of that I'm a big fan of trading late 1sts for future 1sts because the time value doesn't bother me in a sturdy league.

Don't own Cook but Mattison is a nice wildcard.

If there is no one you are high on I see the thinking...that being said I would like more then a player who needs an injury to be productive to make this deal, especially since you are also giving up the 3.10.

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18 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Does that shift your preference to the Adams side? 

Yes.

I don't and have never owned Adams in a dynasty league and rarely in general(why I did not know his age). But saying that I got him currently as top 3 WR for 2020 and a little ahead of Julio. So yes, getting 4 years younger at WR1 and my best guess means 4 extra WR1 years is worth the rest of Parker and Hooper's career to me. ETA-plus the extra two roster spots.

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2 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Gave: 1.10, 3.10

Got: 2021 1st (mid), Mattison

Big dropoff after the top 9 for me (pick was on the clock and the usual top 7 plus Reagor/Jefferson were all gone), and on top of that I'm a big fan of trading late 1sts for future 1sts because the time value doesn't bother me in a sturdy league.

Don't own Cook but Mattison is a nice wildcard.

Tend to agree with bolded, some exceptions ,but tend to agree and as such I like the trade. If I was in your shoes I'm probably picking Pittman at 10 but I'd rather take a shot on higher 2021 first if I can.

And agree Dalvin is worth more then 3.10, would think if you want out the Dalvin owner would pay more then that for him.

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Something a little different

FPC Startup 250 (BB)

Team A gives (made offer)

10.11
16.11

Team B Gives (accepts)

11.11
18.11

Team A realizes quickly that they made mistake giving 10.11 instead of 12.11 and asks B to reverse and B says go pound sand. I know what I think should or shouldn't happen (already has) and im just curious what the consensus is.

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28 minutes ago, NE_REVIVAL said:

Something a little different

FPC Startup 250 (BB)

Team A gives (made offer)

10.11
16.11

Team B Gives (accepts)

11.11
18.11

Team A realizes quickly that they made mistake giving 10.11 instead of 12.11 and asks B to reverse and B says go pound sand. I know what I think should or shouldn't happen (already has) and im just curious what the consensus is.

Gotta reverse this.  Obvious mistake and not good for the league to let one team get better for free.  FFPC is pretty good about this so I assume it already has been switched back.

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On 5/5/2020 at 2:25 PM, menobrown said:
On 5/5/2020 at 12:02 AM, doowain said:

Gave: 1.08

Got: 2.05/2021 1st (team had 1.02 this year)

I had pick 8 in 3 different leagues and tried hard to get this exact kind of deal. Lost track of how many rejections I encountered.  I asked for less then this and people got insulted on me. I ended up just offering the 1.8 straight up for a 2021#1,  but limited myself to non-powerhouse teams,  and still could not get a taker.

So good deal and if I were you I'd feel fortunate to get this done

For those that care, 2.05 turned into Viska who I was targeting when I made the trade. 

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On 5/5/2020 at 5:59 PM, hispeedthinmint said:

I thought Jeudy was in line for the 1.08 or so?

Haven't seen him later than 1.07 in 5 drafts. I'm finding that is pretty standard in non superflex. 

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