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46 minutes ago, Milkman said:

Nobody likes either side?

Basically 1.12 for Conner.  Fair I think.  Depends on the team.  If RB is a need and you have a chance to contend I would take Conner.  In a rebuild it's closer.

I think it's a fair price to take a shot on Conner in a hopefully re-vitalized pitt offense with Big Ben back.

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No, they won't accept

Barkley on this one, it isn't that close

I don't know why so many people are saying that this is a fair return (despite preferring CMC as they should). It isn't. This is a fraction of what it should cost for a guy like CMC, either that or th

16 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

I disagree. Watson is a winner and a great kid. He will make plays (throwing or running) and will still be an elite QB without Nuk.  Plus, even if the Texans stink this year, and his numbers dip without Nuk, they aren't going to pull a GB and ignore the WR position in next year's draft. 

Not in the first round, they won’t. 

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7 hours ago, Edgar said:

Not in the first round, they won’t. 

Why not?  If someone like Ja'Marr Chase, Rashod Bateman, or Rondell Moore is there for the takiing they very well could.  Perhaps even Jaylen Waddle.  Please don't use the cliche they have greater needs elsewhere, because from the looks of it WR is just as great of a need.  Next year's WR class is another good one.

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Kind of a unique league had a deal done

1QB 1RB 1WR 2TE 6flex (including 1superflex) full PPR

Stidham and Marvin Jones

for

Jonnu Smith and 2.04

It's only the 2nd year of the league so teams are relatively balanced overall (except mine of course)

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2 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

Why not?  If someone like Ja'Marr Chase, Rashod Bateman, or Rondell Moore is there for the takiing they very well could.  Perhaps even Jaylen Waddle.  Please don't use the cliche they have greater needs elsewhere, because from the looks of it WR is just as great of a need.  Next year's WR class is another good one.

The Texans don’t have a 2021 first rounder due to the Laremy Tunsil overpay 

ETA: the Tunsil trade also took the Texans 2021 2nd

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18 hours ago, kutta said:

I'm not justifying it. I just don't think it was horrible.

Out of curiosity, would you give up Barkley for that package?

I have Barkley and I doubt I trade him for that but it is much closer.  I don't like the idea of trading arguably the best asset (CMC is the other) for a maybe RB and what will be 2 WRs on running offenses.  I wouldn't argue that one as much but Kamara isn't Barkley.  Especially with the way the Saints like to mix multiple RBs in, Taysom Hill taking touches, and he isn't the goal line back.

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27 minutes ago, Edgar said:

The Texans don’t have a 2021 first rounder due to the Laremy Tunsil overpay 

ETA: the Tunsil trade also took the Texans 2021 2nd

Well, you can't build on what you don't have, thanks for the update.

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4 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Well, you can't build on what you don't have, thanks for the update.

The Texans need to can O'Brien for sure.  His moves are horrible and will wreck that team.  Especially with the Colts and Titans improving.  They may miss the playoffs this year and that is even with it expanding to 7 teams.

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12 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Barkley
CMC

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Zeke

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Cook
Kamara

I would for sure have Cook in same tier Elliot and Kamara a notch below them both.

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3 minutes ago, mcintyre1 said:

16 team Best Ball IDP 1QB TE premium

Team A: Travis Kelce

Team B: 1.12, 3.12, Anthony Miller WR, Justin Simmons S
 

I'd want more for Kelce. I would have tried to move him a year+ ago or hold him until the wheels fall off. 

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15 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

I'd want more for Kelce. I would have tried to move him a year+ ago or hold him until the wheels fall off. 

Yeah this is awful in regular ppr, much less TE premium. 

If you're rebuilding, wait until the games are being played and his value is highest.  If you're not a rebuilder, why would you sell for this?  Seems like an owner who doesn't understand the dynasty calendar.

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26 minutes ago, mcintyre1 said:

16 team Best Ball IDP 1QB TE premium

Team A: Travis Kelce

Team B: 1.12, 3.12, Anthony Miller WR, Justin Simmons S
 

Yeesh.

Kelce is a legit league winner in that format.  And it's not like he's 35.

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For the record, I got Kelce in that trade and the other owner was the one to propose it out of nowhere. They're fresh out of a 5 team dispersal draft, so he is new to the league. I'm guessing he wants one of the WRs that should be available around 1.12? Still seemed pretty light for Kelce. My only big weakness on that team is RB and I wasn't going to get a useful RB at 12, so I accepted without regret. I've also got Kittle already, might try moving Kelce for a RB closer to the season.

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4 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Yeesh.

Kelce is a legit league winner in that format.  And it's not like he's 35.

As long as he can be healthy, I don't see why he wouldn't want to keep winning rings with Mahomes for awhile. I don't think 35 is outside the range of likely outcomes. 

ETA - and maybe crush his own HOF trajectory

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7 minutes ago, mcintyre1 said:

For the record, I got Kelce in that trade and the other owner was the one to propose it out of nowhere. They're fresh out of a 5 team dispersal draft, so he is new to the league. I'm guessing he wants one of the WRs that should be available around 1.12? Still seemed pretty light for Kelce. My only big weakness on that team is RB and I wasn't going to get a useful RB at 12, so I accepted without regret. I've also got Kittle already, might try moving Kelce for a RB closer to the season.

As long as you can start two TEs, you should just keep the studs and be happy.  I guess your league could be in the small minority but usually nobody moves one the handful of really valuable RBs for a TE.  You'll probably just end up with the  next David Montgomery.

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5 minutes ago, Vandelay said:

As long as you can start two TEs, you should just keep the studs and be happy.  I guess your league could be in the small minority but usually nobody moves one the handful of really valuable RBs for a TE.  You'll probably just end up with the  next David Montgomery.

Yeah, that's a good point too -- we've got two RB/WR/TE flex spots so I could even  have up to 3 TEs in my best ball lineup (Ebron is my third TE now). I've tried to move Kelce myself in another league and haven't gotten any significant bites at all, so you're right that I'd probably end up with a mid tier RB at best.

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3 minutes ago, mcintyre1 said:

Yeah, that's a good point too -- we've got two RB/WR/TE flex spots so I could even  have up to 3 TEs in my best ball lineup (Ebron is my third TE now). I've tried to move Kelce myself in another league and haven't gotten any significant bites at all, so you're right that I'd probably end up with a mid tier RB at best.

Having Kelce and Kittle in that format is like playing chess with two queens.  Just sit back and dominate lol.

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12 team PPR.

Gave: 2021 2nd ("projected" late)

Got: 2020 3.03, 3.04, 4.04

I have another second next year that "should" be earlyish, and there are a few guys still on the board this year that I have my eye on.

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1 minute ago, mcintyre1 said:

Same new owner just did this:
 

Team A: Christian McCaffrey

Team B: 1.07, 2.07, 2021 1st, 2021 2nd, Jeffrey Simmons DT

Wow. Not even close.

Though I don't play IDP and don't know how valuable Simmons is.

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2 minutes ago, kutta said:

Wow. Not even close.

Though I don't play IDP and don't know how valuable Simmons is.

No, you're right. Not close at all. Unfortunately I wasn't on the receiving end of that one.

16 teams as well, so that 2nd is more like 2.11. Also he significantly upgraded the team he just got 2021 picks from. Clearly going full slash and burn, but you can do a lot better than that.

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49 minutes ago, mcintyre1 said:

Same new owner just did this:
 

Team A: Christian McCaffrey

Team B: 1.07, 2.07, 2021 1st, 2021 2nd, Jeffrey Simmons DT

I really hate seeing McCaffrey trades no matter what is given because it always beats what we got for him......:kicksrock:

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TEAM A gave up Allen, Josh BUF QB; Trubisky, Mitchell CHI QB; * Hall, Breece FA RB (DEVY player) ; Engram, Evan NYG TE; Year 2021 DEVY pick from TEAM A

TEAM B gave up Goff, Jared LAR QB; Fournette, Leonard JAC RB; Hooper, Austin CLE TE; $525.00 in blind bidding

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6 hours ago, Vandelay said:

Having Kelce and Kittle in that format is like playing chess with two queens.  Just sit back and dominate lol.

Agreed. I have Kelce and Andrews in an FFPC League (TE premium) and it never crosses my mind to trade either one since I can play both. I won it all last year with he likes of Perriman and Tannehill at my 2nd WR and QB position (granted they got HOT at the end of the season) but the advantage I have at TE and one of my Flex positions because of Kelce and Andrews can’t be understated. 

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On 5/20/2020 at 5:09 PM, kutta said:

Agreed. I'm just doing some quick looking.

I haven't seen anything showing that CEH is only going 2-6 picks later than Kamara. Have you? If so, can you post it?

FWIW,

ive done post nfl draft fpc 250 & 500 dyn BB drafts and kamara was 1.4 & 1.5 respectively ; ceh was 1.12\1.10, jt was 1.7\1.11.

I agree with others who have cmac\barkly in tier 1 and a pretty large tier2.

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23 hours ago, Zyphros said:

Kind of a unique league had a deal done

1QB 1RB 1WR 2TE 6flex (including 1superflex) full PPR

Stidham and Marvin Jones

for

Jonnu Smith and 2.04

It's only the 2nd year of the league so teams are relatively balanced overall (except mine of course)

No thoughts?

 

Also had another done in a different league

2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr 10 team league

I traded Diontae Johnson, 4.06 and a 2021 2nd

I got Cooper Kupp

 

I'm in win now mode and the guy dealing Kupp away is in a major rebuild.  My starting lineup of:

Matt Ryan, Dak

Zeke, Barkley, Miles 

Godwin, Lockett, Evans, JuJu (Kupp would be bye week probably)

OJ Howard, Jared Cook (yes I know this is the major weak spot ha)

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My PPR WR got geriatric on me quickly and I'm worried I might have to sacrifice some value for age.

Being offered Cooper Kupp + James Robinson for Julio Jones + Tony Pollard

I don't love the value return, but I'm a tad worried about diminishing Julio returns or value along with the injury/age of my other receivers (Edelman, Jefferey, Cobb). Only other offer I've seen was DL for DL with the WR pieces moving Julio for Jerry Jeudy.

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7 minutes ago, Jayded said:

My PPR WR got geriatric on me quickly and I'm worried I might have to sacrifice some value for age.

Being offered Cooper Kupp + James Robinson for Julio Jones + Tony Pollard

I don't love the value return, but I'm a tad worried about diminishing Julio returns or value along with the injury/age of my other receivers (Edelman, Jefferey, Cobb). Only other offer I've seen was DL for DL with the WR pieces moving Julio for Jerry Jeudy.

I don't get the love for Cooper Kupp, especially when talking about trades involving Julio Jones.  Seems like a huge downgrade at WR to me.

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23 hours ago, Zyphros said:

Kind of a unique league had a deal done

1QB 1RB 1WR 2TE 6flex (including 1superflex) full PPR

Stidham and Marvin Jones

for

Jonnu Smith and 2.04

It's only the 2nd year of the league so teams are relatively balanced overall (except mine of course)

Because it is Superflex I will go with Stidham pretty easily...that is not a lot to give up for a starting QB and if Stidham hits that could really be a heist...

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20 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

This craziness just happened (not involved but my main competition for the top spot is):

Zeke, Alshon Jeffery, David Njoku, 2021 2nd, 2021 4th, and 2021 6th

for

Allen Lazard, Mike Gesicki, 1.1, and 2 2021 1sts (one should be late and one should be relatively early)

Looks like Zeke + 2nd for 1.01, Gesicki and two 1sts. 
 

Exquisite haul to cash out Zeke. 

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2 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

I don't get the love for Cooper Kupp, especially when talking about trades involving Julio Jones.  Seems like a huge downgrade at WR to me.

Julio outscored Kupp by about 3 points in one of my PPR leagues.  Why not trade for the younger asset who is likely to put up approximately the same numbers, assuming all the other pieces are more or less equal?

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14 minutes ago, tangfoot said:

Julio outscored Kupp by about 3 points in one of my PPR leagues.  Why not trade for the younger asset who is likely to put up approximately the same numbers, assuming all the other pieces are more or less equal?

It has nothing to do with points scored last year.  Julio is light years better than Kupp and if I'm going to trade Jones for Kupp, a 1st rd pick at the very least has to be added to the deal.  One of the worst mistakes in FF is base future scoring on past scoring.  There are lots of factors at play, team structure, scheme, coaching,  QB play, injuries, etc..  At the end of the day you look at the talent and usage.

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3 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

It has nothing to do with points scored last year.  Julio is light years better than Kupp and if I'm going to trade Jones for Kupp, a 1st rd pick at the very least has to be added to the deal.  One of the worst mistakes in FF is base future scoring on past scoring.  There are lots of factors at play, team structure, scheme, coaching,  QB play, injuries, etc..  At the end of the day you look at the talent and usage.

Kupp and Julio are only a few picks apart in startup ADP, and owners of Julio should be planning for him to fall off the (value) cliff sometime very soon.  This is a perfectly reasonable trade if you want to cash out on Julio while you still can.

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2 minutes ago, tangfoot said:

Kupp and Julio are only a few picks apart in startup ADP, and owners of Julio should be planning for him to fall off the (value) cliff sometime very soon.  This is a perfectly reasonable trade if you want to cash out on Julio while you still can.

Sorry, I suppose we can just disagree.  I'm not in the camp that ever sees Kupp as a WR1 long term.  Julio has a few years as such IMO.

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1 minute ago, IHEARTFF said:

0.5 ppr

Team A gave A Cooper, W Fuller

Team B gave 1.8, 2.7, 3.5

Too cheap for Cooper probably.  My cutoff is 1.7 (CEH, Taylor, Dobbins, Jeudy, Lamb, Akers, Swift).  I probably wouldn't do it for Swift either, so my cutoff in this trade is 1.6.

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6 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Sorry, I suppose we can just disagree.  I'm not in the camp that ever sees Kupp as a WR1 long term.  Julio has a few years as such IMO.

He's already borderline in terms of trade value.  Value to your team is a different thing, but where I've looked I see his ADP or ranking as WR13, WR13 and WR11.

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13 minutes ago, IHEARTFF said:

0.5 ppr

Team A gave A Cooper, W Fuller

Team B gave 1.8, 2.7, 3.5

Would need more for Cooper and I really don't like adding in Fuller as a "throw in"...he has his plenty of warts but he has shown flashes and really has a great opportunity this year, that is a sneaky good piece for the guy getting Cooper and a nice piece to put on your bench for the beginning of the year to see if he can finally put it together.

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5 minutes ago, Terpman22 said:

Just traded away Ertz and D Parker for 1.7/2.9/2.12

 

12 teamer 1 QB PPR

Give me Ertz and Parker...Ertz is a steady top 5 TE and while I have my questions about Parker he is 27 and coming off a year with 72-1,202-9 and Tua waiting in the wings...not sure what the logic is with this deal...especially when those two second-rounders are picks #21 and #24 overall...you took a very big step backward for 2020 without the potential for a lot of upside for the future.

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1 minute ago, Boston said:

Give me Ertz and Parker...Ertz is a steady top 5 TE and while I have my questions about Parker he is 27 and coming off a year with 72-1,202-9 and Tua waiting in the wings...not sure what the logic is with this deal...especially when those two second-rounders are picks #21 and #24 overall...you took a very big step backward for 2020 without the potential for a lot of upside for the future.

I feel ya, just felt I needed to rebuild w this draft. I have Ertz in most of my leagues so am well aware how valuable he is, but honestly, keep finishing with 1.6/1.7 maybe 1.8 picks and w him being 30 soon, just didn't feel I have the firepower to get the title before his production starts falling off hard. Always could be a bad move, but trying to acquire picks as best as i can. 

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Just now, Terpman22 said:

I feel ya, just felt I needed to rebuild w this draft. I have Ertz in most of my leagues so am well aware how valuable he is, but honestly, keep finishing with 1.6/1.7 maybe 1.8 picks and w him being 30 soon, just didn't feel I have the firepower to get the title before his production starts falling off hard. Always could be a bad move, but trying to acquire picks as best as i can. 

If you are rebuilding then I don't think this was a bad deal.  Ertz is aging, they have more weapons there, and Goedert is getting primed to take over.  Also, Parker had 1 good year after 3 terrible ones and Preston Williams will be back.  1.7 still gives you one of the top tier players in the draft and this is deep so you can get good players towards the end of the 2nd.  Decent move for what you were trying to do.

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4 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

If you are rebuilding then I don't think this was a bad deal.  Ertz is aging, they have more weapons there, and Goedert is getting primed to take over.  Also, Parker had 1 good year after 3 terrible ones and Preston Williams will be back.  1.7 still gives you one of the top tier players in the draft and this is deep so you can get good players towards the end of the 2nd.  Decent move for what you were trying to do.

Yeah, typically I hold players a bit "too long" Ertz/Parker have been on the team their whole career, so yeah I have been patiently waiting for Devante to break out. 

 

Now have picks 1.6/1.7/2.6/2.9/2.12/3.6/3.9/3.11

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16 Team IDP PPR Premium TE Best Ball again:

Team A: Tyreek Hill, James Conner

Team B: AJ Brown, Terry McLaurin, 2.13, 2021 1st, 2021 2nd

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Seems a little steep for Tyreek IMO, but I'm fairly high on Brown and McLaurin.

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3 hours ago, tangfoot said:

Kupp and Julio are only a few picks apart in startup ADP, and owners of Julio should be planning for him to fall off the (value) cliff sometime very soon.  This is a perfectly reasonable trade if you want to cash out on Julio while you still can.

I am not giving up Jones for Kupp.  and as to the scoring of Jones being just 3 points ahead of Kupp, lets tell the whole story... Julio PPG average was 18.27, Kupp was 16.91.  and value wise, Jones is still ahead of Kupp.  Hmmm...  I will take Jones, even in a startup league. 

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