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2 minutes ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

That's the side I got. Variety of reasons but I felt getting the first round pick was worth it.

If it makes you feel better RotoUnderworld declared it a big win for you. DLF by a significant margin, too. I ran the numbers for ya. 

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No, they won't accept

I don't know why so many people are saying that this is a fair return (despite preferring CMC as they should). It isn't. This is a fraction of what it should cost for a guy like CMC, either that or th

It's a bit much to say the trade should be overturned. It's just a bunch of junk for a bunch of junk.

I'll go the other way and say Metcalf. Even if you weren't win now and just wanted to flip Ingram for a future 2nd, I think that value gap is worth Metcalf. And that's because I think Metcalf is much more sell-able than Chark, I probably wouldn't hold him even though I really like him.

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17 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

I'll go the other way and say Metcalf. Even if you weren't win now and just wanted to flip Ingram for a future 2nd, I think that value gap is worth Metcalf. And that's because I think Metcalf is much more sell-able than Chark, I probably wouldn't hold him even though I really like him.

Yeah I definitely get both sides, which is probably why a deal was able to be made. I have Chark and Metcalf somewhat close where I thought it was worth the dropoff. Giving Ingram and getting back a 1st back felt right.

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Fair deal to me.  Metcalf has more sizzle than Chark.  Ingram should exceed his perceived value again if games actually happen.  Depends on how I view both my team and the projection of that 1st as to which side I prefer.

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6 hours ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

Team A Got D.K. Metcalf, Mark Ingram

Team B Got D.J. Chark, 2021 1st round pick.

Even trade...Metcalf's name carries a lot of clout but he is still on a run-first team...Chark is a guy I am pretty high on and I see these two ending up in the same ballpark as long as Seattle continues playing ball the way they do...getting a #1 for Ingram is a nice get but if you need RB help/depth on a contender you could do a lot worse...since I like Chark a lot I would make this deal as I think you might be able to make a nice second deal if you want to flip that #1...I think more teams would be interested in that asset then Ingram now that Dobbins is in the fold.

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Two that happened in my 12 team non premium PPR league:

Team A gets: Boston Scott, Singletary, Reynolds 

Team B gets: Mattison, Zach Moss, Hakeem Butler

 

Team A gets: Ian Thomas 

Team C gets: Boston Scott, two 2021 3s (if I had to guess these picks I’d say one is a major rebuild likely top 3, the other is possibly top 5) 

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2 minutes ago, I-ROK said:

Two that happened in my 12 team non premium PPR league:

Team A gets: Boston Scott, Singletary, Reynolds 

Team B gets: Mattison, Zach Moss, Hakeem Butler

 

Team A gets: Ian Thomas 

Team C gets: Boston Scott, two 2021 3s (if I had to guess these picks I’d say one is a major rebuild likely top 3, the other is possibly top 5) 

 

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On 6/30/2020 at 8:19 AM, jwsbowler said:

19 year old school Dynasty 12 teamer, standard scoring, non PPR.  Start 1Q - 1R - 2W - 1T - 1F - 1 K&D.  Contract style cap.  Roster of 16 to 22, with 4 TS spots

Team A:  Gets D Hopkins
Team B:  Gets D Cook

Team A has: 
QBs - Jackson, Wilson, Murray (TS)
RBs  - Elliott, Barkley, Pollard, Gallman (will drop contract)
WRs - Smith-Schuster, Thielen, Golladay, Fitzgerald, Agholor, Conley (will drop contract)...  and Hopkins
TEs - Rudolph, Herndon, Brate

Team B has:
QBs - Rodgers, Wentz, Fitzpatrick (will drop contract)
RBs - Henry, D Johnson, Samuels, Peterson (trading or will drop contract)...  and Cook
WRs - Jones, Godwin, Sutton, AJ Brown, McLaurin, D. Johnson (TS)
TEs - Kittle, Engram (trading because of contract), Jarwin

Last year, Team A beat Team B in finals and Team A is a Vikings fan.   I am Team B and was in the market for another RB.  

Seems like a perfect win/win. I wouldn't be happy if I was in this league. Two teams both got immediately better.

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3 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

FFPC superflex 

I gave Gallup, Edmonds

I got 2021 2nd and 3rd (I've got the 2nd as early to mid and the 3rd as mid to late)

I need the roster spots in a big way and those 2nd rounders are a lot more valuable in superflex. 

I woulda held Gallup short of a late 1st with the uncertainty over the CFB season: to me it devalues 2021 picks a notch.

A random second is just too cheap for a WR who just broke out WR2 territory in his sophomore year

Even with Lamb the Cowboys have one of the highest vacated target totals in the league--more than enough for Gallup to stay at his current production and for Lamb to get his for a quality rookie year

Edmonds is a nice hold too but unless you have Drake I can understand selling for a 3rd

I don't know your roster crush so maybe it was needed but value wise I think I prefer the side you gave

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14 hours ago, I-ROK said:

Two that happened in my 12 team non premium PPR league:

Team A gets: Boston Scott, Singletary, Reynolds 

Team B gets: Mattison, Zach Moss, Hakeem Butler

A little strange to see Singletary and Moss on the opposite sides of the deal - you'd think an owner would want to pair them up.

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37 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

A little strange to see Singletary and Moss on the opposite sides of the deal - you'd think an owner would want to pair them up.

While I tend to agree, they both will have their own individual role (at least once rookies get going this year) so they aren't your typical handcuff type guys. One would definitely have more value if the other gets hurt.

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12 minutes ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

While I tend to agree, they both will have their own individual role (at least once rookies get going this year) so they aren't your typical handcuff type guys. One would definitely have more value if the other gets hurt.

I agree with their roles giving both value on their own, but this seemed like a good opportunity to pair them up. 

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8 hours ago, KChusker said:

I woulda held Gallup short of a late 1st with the uncertainty over the CFB season: to me it devalues 2021 picks a notch.

A random second is just too cheap for a WR who just broke out WR2 territory in his sophomore year

Even with Lamb the Cowboys have one of the highest vacated target totals in the league--more than enough for Gallup to stay at his current production and for Lamb to get his for a quality rookie year

Edmonds is a nice hold too but unless you have Drake I can understand selling for a 3rd

I don't know your roster crush so maybe it was needed but value wise I think I prefer the side you gave

Yeah I appreciate what you're saying but the roster spots are incredibly valuable to me in FFPC. I had Gallup as my WR6 so I likely wouldn't ever start him. And believe me when I say nobody wanted to give a 1st. Been shopping him a long time. 

Mid 2nd rounder in SF is like a late 1st early 2nd in normal leagues.

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14 team Devy league. Start One QB

Team A gets

AJ Green

Kamara

Pollard(owner has Elliot)

Bridgewater

Team B gets

2020 1.14 Devy pick 

2021, First and Third (Probably end of Round)

Calvin Ridley

Zamir White

David Jones, E

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3 hours ago, SDJohnny said:

14 team Devy league. Start One QB

Team A gets

AJ Green

Kamara

Pollard(owner has Elliot)

Bridgewater

Team B gets

2020 1.14 Devy pick 

2021, First and Third (Probably end of Round)

Calvin Ridley

Zamir White

David Jones, E

Always found bigger deals to be harder to understand logistically but this screams Kamara side to me, no?  

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14 team PPR devy league

Gave:

Steven Sims Jr., Justice Hill, 2022 2nd, 2022 2nd

Got:

Carlos Hyde, 2021 1st (late)

 

Reminder that picks are devy-weakened (1 round of devys) for full context.

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23 minutes ago, northern exposure said:

Do you own Singletary? If so, I like the Moss side of the deal.

I do not. I think Moss has TD upside and has a more clear path to playing time now if he truly does take on the Gore role from last year. Henderson could be the starter, could be the backup, wide range. Add in the draft picks and I think it worked in my favor. Realistically I like both sides of the deal.

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For some crazy reason I decided to take on an orphan project. It's rough but the league is an interesting format. 24 teams, 2 copies of each player. PPR, TE premium, 11 starters 22 total spots with 3 taxi. 4 divisions of 6 teams that get reshuffled each year according to previous year's finishes. The schedule is heavy within division so I *think* this allows for subpar teams to be able to rebuild and compete earlier and easier than otherwise. We'll see because the team I am taking over finished dead last. And looking at the roster you can see why. But Imma give it a shot. Made a couple trades today:

I gave Chark
I got Hines, 2021 1st, 2021 2nd

I gave 1.01
I got 1.06, Diontae Johnson

So Hines is now currently my RB1, not kidding. I have Ronald Jones but will be moving him as soon as I can. I have a ton of current draft picks and feel I can make huge strides in year 1 here. Those future picks I got for Chark are from a really bad team. I have Mahomes so passing on CEH for say Dobbins, Swift or Akers at 1.06 (2 copies of each remember) isn't ideal as I would absolutely prefer CEH, but I'll gladly take one of those other 3 RBs and snag Diontae. People have made me a believer on him. Dawson Knox is the *only* other asset I hold that is worth mentioning. A lot of scrubs that I'll be dropping.

 

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1 minute ago, barackdhouse said:


A lot of scrubs that I'll be dropping.

 

Mariota, Jamaal Williams, Benny Snell, Zay Jones, John Ross, Trequan Smith, A Tate, Cain, E St Brown, Hollister 

I guess I'll end up stashing Penny on IR and maybe Harmon and Everett are worth holding for a couple minutes.

 

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50 minutes ago, jadensdad said:

Superflex Te premium 28 man roster 

I got Cam

I gave - AB, tee Higgins, Fitzmajic and 2021 2nd (late)

 

 

 

Wow. That seems like a lot to give up for someone not guaranteed to start or have much longer playing at a high level knowing his playing style. Ultimately I do think Cam starts this year.

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5 hours ago, barackdhouse said:


For some crazy reason I decided to take on an orphan project. It's rough but the league is an interesting format. 24 teams, 2 copies of each player. PPR, TE premium, 11 starters 22 total spots with 3 taxi. 4 divisions of 6 teams that get reshuffled each year according to previous year's finishes. The schedule is heavy within division so I *think* this allows for subpar teams to be able to rebuild and compete earlier and easier than otherwise. We'll see because the team I am taking over finished dead last. And looking at the roster you can see why. But Imma give it a shot. Made a couple trades today:

I gave Chark
I got Hines, 2021 1st, 2021 2nd

I gave 1.01
I got 1.06, Diontae Johnson

So Hines is now currently my RB1, not kidding. I have Ronald Jones but will be moving him as soon as I can. I have a ton of current draft picks and feel I can make huge strides in year 1 here. Those future picks I got for Chark are from a really bad team. I have Mahomes so passing on CEH for say Dobbins, Swift or Akers at 1.06 (2 copies of each remember) isn't ideal as I would absolutely prefer CEH, but I'll gladly take one of those other 3 RBs and snag Diontae. People have made me a believer on him. Dawson Knox is the *only* other asset I hold that is worth mentioning. A lot of scrubs that I'll be dropping.

 

Hate both deals, but rebuilds are different animals for sure.  If those are best deals available then I don't hate it, just not a big fan of the players you received.  Value is close though.  

Not a fan of Hines or Diontae long term.  Diontae will do well and the Steelers absolutely love him so there's something there.  Production will probably be above average, I just don't like trading premium picks for average players.  1.06 could turn out special but 1.01 would be too much for me.  

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29 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

Hate both deals, but rebuilds are different animals for sure.  If those are best deals available then I don't hate it, just not a big fan of the players you received.  Value is close though.  

Not a fan of Hines or Diontae long term.  Diontae will do well and the Steelers absolutely love him so there's something there.  Production will probably be above average, I just don't like trading premium picks for average players.  1.06 could turn out special but 1.01 would be too much for me.  

I love Diontae to be better than average.  I actually think he will overtake Juju (and/or Juju moves on from Pitt)  Definitely worth the difference between 1.01 and 1.03. It's not like CEH is Barkley. 

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22 minutes ago, jabarony said:

I love Diontae to be better than average.  I actually think he will overtake Juju (and/or Juju moves on from Pitt)  Definitely worth the difference between 1.01 and 1.03. It's not like CEH is Barkley. 

Agree 100% on this comment. Your pick at 1.03 will not make you miss 1.01 and Diontae is GOLD.

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Its the 1.06 he's getting back, not the 1.03?

I see their being a top 7-8 rookie tier 1 this year, including Jefferson and a drop thereafter. You will have a pick of at least 3 of those guys  - likely Akers or Lamb if not both at the 1.06.  I don't love anyone as a 1.01 or 1.02 (slight break to me after the 1.03 including Dobbins), so I would gladly switch the 1.01 for the 1.06 plus likely long term starter and potential stud Diontae. To me that's a quality piece for not a lot of cost. For anyone that think CEH or Taylor are McCaffery or Barkley, I totally get holding onto them - I just don't tink either is exceptional. 

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32 minutes ago, Catbird said:

Its the 1.06 he's getting back, not the 1.03?

I see their being a top 7-8 rookie tier 1 this year, including Jefferson and a drop thereafter. You will have a pick of at least 3 of those guys  - likely Akers or Lamb if not both at the 1.06.  I don't love anyone as a 1.01 or 1.02 (slight break to me after the 1.03 including Dobbins), so I would gladly switch the 1.01 for the 1.06 plus likely long term starter and potential stud Diontae. To me that's a quality piece for not a lot of cost. For anyone that think CEH or Taylor are McCaffery or Barkley, I totally get holding onto them - I just don't tink either is exceptional. 

I think he's saying since it's 2 copies of each player it's basically 1.03.  

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1 hour ago, Catbird said:

Its the 1.06 he's getting back, not the 1.03?

I see their being a top 7-8 rookie tier 1 this year, including Jefferson and a drop thereafter. You will have a pick of at least 3 of those guys  - likely Akers or Lamb if not both at the 1.06.  I don't love anyone as a 1.01 or 1.02 (slight break to me after the 1.03 including Dobbins), so I would gladly switch the 1.01 for the 1.06 plus likely long term starter and potential stud Diontae. To me that's a quality piece for not a lot of cost. For anyone that think CEH or Taylor are McCaffery or Barkley, I totally get holding onto them - I just don't tink either is exceptional. 

There are two copies of each player so 1.06 is like the 1.03. 

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16 hours ago, Zyphros said:

Hate both deals, but rebuilds are different animals for sure.  If those are best deals available then I don't hate it, just not a big fan of the players you received.  Value is close though.  

Not a fan of Hines or Diontae long term.  Diontae will do well and the Steelers absolutely love him so there's something there.  Production will probably be above average, I just don't like trading premium picks for average players.  1.06 could turn out special but 1.01 would be too much for me.  

But I didnt do that. Hines will likely be my RB4 if he is still on my roster in week 1. It was really the early 2021 1st I was targeting. Hines will be decent flex worthy depth. 

Pittsburgh typically passes more than most teams so if Diontae really is going to be the X there then it looks to me like he will retain value. It is entirely possible I still flip both these guys as I hunt for value. But to move from 1.01 to basically 1.03 is a no brainer to pick him up.

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Woke up with an unexpected one in my inbox this morning:

 

Give:  2024 2nd, 50 FAAB

Receive:  Tyler Higbee

 

I countered back and we settled on 30 FAAB.  I really only have Kittle and Dawson Knox at TE, and this is a TE premium league as well.  If Kittle went down and Dawson doesn't make a leap I'd be in trouble.  And hell, if Higbee continues what he did down the stretch he can be a weekly starter for me in this format.  We can technically start 3 TE's a week, full PPR.  The fact that he signed an extension through 2023 and Everett is a FA after this year made this decision easy.

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22 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

 

I gave Chark
I got Hines, 2021 1st, 2021 2nd

It's possible I'm selling Chark short but I'd rather have the projected high picks.

 

22 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

 

I gve 1.01
I got 1.06, Diontae Johnson

Two truths converge on this one for me as I'm as big on Diontae as it gets but would say the same for CEH. After the NFL draft I dealt 3 and 8 for  1. I would do that again and feel that's equitable to this deal so I'd prefer the 1.1 here as well and that's nothing negative against Diontae.

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48 minutes ago, menobrown said:

It's possible I'm selling Chark short but I'd rather have the projected high picks.

 

Two truths converge on this one for me as I'm as big on Diontae as it gets but would say the same for CEH. After the NFL draft I dealt 3 and 8 for  1. I would do that again and feel that's equitable to this deal so I'd prefer the 1.1 here as well and that's nothing negative against Diontae.

I have to ask, did you catch the bit about there being two copies of each player? So the 1.06 is more like the 1.03? Also, I may still move up to get CEH anyway. I don't have a lot of player assets but I do have a bunch of current and future draft picks. 

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7 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

I have to ask, did you catch the bit about there being two copies of each player? So the 1.06 is more like the 1.03? Also, I may still move up to get CEH anyway. I don't have a lot of player assets but I do have a bunch of current and future draft picks. 

Yes, which is why I comped it to giving up 3/8 with the 8 being roughly equal to Diontae(not that I saw anyone actually pay that much for him but I think he's roughly equal to that myself). I'd like the outcome for you if you are able to move up and get CEH.

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41 minutes ago, menobrown said:

Yes, which is why I comped it to giving up 3/8 with the 8 being roughly equal to Diontae(not that I saw anyone actually pay that much for him but I think he's roughly equal to that myself). I'd like the outcome for you if you are able to move up and get CEH.

Aw yeah that makes sense. I might have felt slightly different during rookie drafts in May, but as I sit now there is no way I would give 8 and 3 to move to 1, nor Diontae and 3. I think I now have as much love for Dobbins as CEH, and Taylor would be my 3. Within the context of this rebuild team I took over anyway. 

 

 

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On 7/4/2020 at 11:27 AM, barackdhouse said:


For some crazy reason I decided to take on an orphan project. It's rough but the league is an interesting format. 24 teams, 2 copies of each player. PPR, TE premium, 11 starters 22 total spots with 3 taxi

I gave Chark
I got Hines, 2021 1st, 2021 2nd

I gave 1.01
I got 1.06, Diontae Johnson

My rebuild continues as I made a couple more deals:

I gave 3.11, 2021 3rd
I got Perriman

I gave Ronald Jones, 2.12
I got Marquise Brown

A long ways to go but my WR corps is now Diontae, Marquis, Harry, Perriman, Harmon (I guess) and I'm guessing I'll be able to draft two or three of Jefferson/Pittman/Aiyuk/Edwards. Seems better than it did last week when I bought it.

ETA and then another, probably a small overpay but I love it!!

I gave Harry, 2021 2nd (early), 3.01, 3.12

I got McLaurin

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QRRWWTFKDDD 16 team PPR $400 cap

Team A traded: Todd Gurley ($51), Kyler Murray ($20), and 1.04

Team B traded: Miles Sanders ($26) and 1.01

I love Gurley more than consensus and Murray as a dyno QB, and even the value at 1.04, plus, not even as high on Sanders as most are (outside of my top 12 dyno RBs).  But love this trade for my team as I already have Lamar at QB, need to cut some cap space, and needed to clear one contract spot going into the rookie draft.  I figured I can always trade Sanders away, too. 

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13 hours ago, JoeSteeler said:

rookie draft going on now...16 team IDP league 

traded 1.14 for a package of...

2021 2nd 

2021 2nd 

2022 1st

2022 3rd

 

Who did the guy take that he wanted the 1.14 so badly?

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3 hours ago, JoeSteeler said:

Ke'Shawn Vaughn

 

Wow...makes me like the deal even less...Vaughn is an intriguing prospect but even in a best case scenario I don't see him being worth this price.

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On 7/8/2020 at 1:33 PM, JoeSteeler said:

rookie draft going on now...16 team IDP league 

traded 1.14 for a package of...

2021 2nd 

2021 2nd 

2022 1st

2022 3rd

 

Reminds me of a trade I made and posted from back in my rookie draft when I took Vaughn at 12, after I moved back from 11 and my target Pittman went at 11 so I just took the guy I thought had good trade value, and did in fact end up dealing Vaughn the next day along with two late third's for JuJu.

What that trade, and the one you posted, made me wonder was if I had played it wrong in some earlier leagues that drafted before the one I made the JuJu trade when I had pick 8 and went with my top ranked player in Justin Jefferson. Can't help but wonder if I'd been better off taking player with most trade value in Vaughn then my top ranked player in Jefferson.

But either way great trade for you.

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