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5 hours ago, Smokin Okie said:

Two trades happened today in one of my dynasty leagues
Full dynasty - IDP  - PPR- 12 team - 24 player roster 

Trade 1:

Team A gets WR Calvin Ridley (They’re in playoff contention and need a win)

Team B gets WR Lamb (rebuild mode)

 

Trade 2:

Team A gets RB Montgomery and DE Chase Young

Team B gets WR Anderson, 2021 5th rd pick, 2022 1st rd pick 

1. Lamb overall, but both win IMO.

2. Hard to say without seeing starting requirements and IDP scoring, but strongly leaning towards Team B and that 1st round pick.   24 player roster suggests only a handful of IDP starters, plus a WW that's always stocked with replacements, which really devalues IDPs.

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3 hours ago, BINGBING said:

He owns Dak and Herbert.  He got a stud WR for a QB with no weapons to throw to in a start 1 QB league.  League settings matter.  Pay attention, or go Dr. Dan on us and share with us how Sutton's knee is "wrecked" for his career.

Debatable, and even so, then by that definition there are 30-40 “stud” WRs.  Most of which are not coming off a blown ACL nor on a team with a terrible QB and two similarly hyped receiving options.  I don’t place a ton of value on QBs in a one QB league, but I would hold Watson before dealing him straight up for Sutton, or be trying to package Watson (or one of those other QBs) plus something for a better WR than Sutton.

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5 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

Debatable, and even so, then by that definition there are 30-40 “stud” WRs.  Most of which are not coming off a blown ACL nor on a team with a terrible QB and two similarly hyped receiving options.  I don’t place a ton of value on QBs in a one QB league, but I would hold Watson before dealing him straight up for Sutton, or be trying to package Watson (or one of those other QBs) plus something for a better WR than Sutton.

Good call, Say What - I like the idea of packaging him with another piece and upgrading The return to something better than Sutton. Maybe a WR that’s younger and healthy? I think that’s the play here.

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Forgot to put this one in there earlier this week as a deal done right before deadline in our IDP devy league:

I gave : Darnell Mooney, Tony Pollard, Jalen Hurts, Baylor Cupp (2022 Devy TE), Owen Pappoe (2022 Devy LB), and Marcel Brooks (2022 Devy LB)

I got: James Conner, Pat Freiermuth (2021 Devy TE)

He was originally only looking to deal Conner and I’m a playoff team with most points this season with aging RBs and no TE devy other than Cupp. Wasn’t using Pollard or Mooney and I have two good devy QBs. No brained and makes my 2020 team even stronger at RB (D. Henry, T. Gurley, D. Swift, J. Conner) and I have a good TE right on the horizon as my TE was thin too. 

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14 team PPR TE Prem

Gave: Kyler Murray, Fant

Got: Mahomes, Woods

People probably aren’t going to like this one, but Murray doesn’t look right and I can’t take that risk going into the playoffs. Getting the best QB in the league is a nice consolation prize even if Murray was scoring like crazy before his injury. Fant is talented but not any sort of advantage right now, and Woods is a nice piece. 

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8 hours ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

14 team PPR TE Prem

Gave: Kyler Murray, Fant

Got: Mahomes, Woods

People probably aren’t going to like this one, but Murray doesn’t look right and I can’t take that risk going into the playoffs. Getting the best QB in the league is a nice consolation prize even if Murray was scoring like crazy before his injury. Fant is talented but not any sort of advantage right now, and Woods is a nice piece. 

If Mahomes is ever traded, the side that gets him wins. End of story.

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Just now, RushHour said:

Mark Ingram? I mean....I'd take Teddy I guess. Weird trade though.

Yes, Mark. Start 1 QB league. Team trading Teddy away also has Cousins, Lamar & Tua & it's start 1 QB. Banking on Ingram going to another team next year. Worst case, he does not & really nothing was lost. Minimal risk. Team getting Teddy had Wentz as his only backup QB so it works out.

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11 hours ago, Jayded said:

Forgot to put this one in there earlier this week as a deal done right before deadline in our IDP devy league:

I gave : Darnell Mooney, Tony Pollard, Jalen Hurts, Baylor Cupp (2022 Devy TE), Owen Pappoe (2022 Devy LB), and Marcel Brooks (2022 Devy LB)

I got: James Conner, Pat Freiermuth (2021 Devy TE)

He was originally only looking to deal Conner and I’m a playoff team with most points this season with aging RBs and no TE devy other than Cupp. Wasn’t using Pollard or Mooney and I have two good devy QBs. No brained and makes my 2020 team even stronger at RB (D. Henry, T. Gurley, D. Swift, J. Conner) and I have a good TE right on the horizon as my TE was thin too. 

Love what you got. I'm fairly new to devy but the waiting game on 2022 is so long in fantasy lifetime that they're easy flips for a team that always wants the next best thing. Not to mention Freiermuth is a top TE, he's worth more than all those devy guys combined. He's no Kyle Pitts though. Unless it's 2QB when it comes to Jalen Hurts, I love the deal for you. 

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9 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Why? Why now?

I assume bad ownership. That 22 1st is probably team that gave up 9-12 that will be the same in 22

RB Travis Etienne, Najah Harris

WR for PPR Jamar Chase, Jaylen Waddle, Rashod Bateman, Devonte Smith, Rondale Moore

if TE premium. Kyle Pitts, Pat Friermuth

if Superflex and the only way 9-12 matters. Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance

look at the value of Lamb, Jefferson today. Those WR at 2 or Harris look nice and value only increases as rookie fever hits

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1 minute ago, Crippler said:

I assume bad ownership. That 22 1st is probably team that gave up 9-12 that will be the same in 22

22 first is from team who have the 1st overall this year.

There's good players at the top of every draft, just don't love these ones as much. Seems a weak running back class to me and that's the only thing I'd spend a top 3 pick on right now, given my roster makeup.

Rather have a shot at Breece Hall in 22 than settle on Etienne or Harris. 

Gibson and Jeudy were in the 9-12 range in this league last year so still plenty of value to be got with that pick.

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On 12/6/2020 at 1:45 AM, BINGBING said:

He owns Dak and Herbert.  He got a stud WR for a QB with no weapons to throw to in a start 1 QB league.  League settings matter.  Pay attention, or go Dr. Dan on us and share with us how Sutton's knee is "wrecked" for his career.

Sutton definitely isn't a "stud WR" and that trade would have been available in the offseason.  I don't like this deal at all either.  Jeudy, Hamler, and Fant along with a sub-par QB throwing the ball there will lower Sutton's value too.  That is if he comes back right.  This seems like an undersell for Watson big time and it is a plyer that can't help him now anyways so no reason to rush in to that deal at the deadline.

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23 hours ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

14 team PPR TE Prem

Gave: Kyler Murray, Fant

Got: Mahomes, Woods

People probably aren’t going to like this one, but Murray doesn’t look right and I can’t take that risk going into the playoffs. Getting the best QB in the league is a nice consolation prize even if Murray was scoring like crazy before his injury. Fant is talented but not any sort of advantage right now, and Woods is a nice piece. 

I wouldn't say the Mahomes side wins EVERY trade ever but definitely think you got the much better side of this one.

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4 hours ago, Wigglytuff's Gruff said:

22 first is from team who have the 1st overall this year.

There's good players at the top of every draft, just don't love these ones as much. Seems a weak running back class to me and that's the only thing I'd spend a top 3 pick on right now, given my roster makeup.

Rather have a shot at Breece Hall in 22 than settle on Etienne or Harris. 

Gibson and Jeudy were in the 9-12 range in this league last year so still plenty of value to be got with that pick.

Using this years rookie class as a comp for future draft class’ success is a recipe for disaster IMO. Look at picks 9-12 consensus in the 2019 draft and understand this class might be the outlier more than the norm. Still some solid guys from 9-14 range in 2019 but also some still developing and some that flat out are not good...

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18 hours ago, Zyphros said:

Love what you got. I'm fairly new to devy but the waiting game on 2022 is so long in fantasy lifetime that they're easy flips for a team that always wants the next best thing. Not to mention Freiermuth is a top TE, he's worth more than all those devy guys combined. He's no Kyle Pitts though. Unless it's 2QB when it comes to Jalen Hurts, I love the deal for you. 

It is 2QB but not sensing the long term value is there. The best part of this deal is the names I didn't have to type that initially got asked for : 1st round pick, Patrick Queen, Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, etc. My Devy QBs are currently Jayden Daniels and DJ Uiagalelei too so while I'm waiting there, I didn't throw away anything I cannot replace. Mooney and Pollard were great, but I have Claypool and Swift so I'm set on rookies at those positions so really only Hurts leaves me "exposed" and that's only if you believe in him.

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12 hours ago, Wigglytuff's Gruff said:

22 first is from team who have the 1st overall this year.

There's good players at the top of every draft, just don't love these ones as much. Seems a weak running back class to me and that's the only thing I'd spend a top 3 pick on right now, given my roster makeup.

Rather have a shot at Breece Hall in 22 than settle on Etienne or Harris. 

Gibson and Jeudy were in the 9-12 range in this league last year so still plenty of value to be got with that pick.

From Breece Hall's wiki page:

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Hall was named first team All-Metro and first team All-State after rushing for 1,000,000 yards and scoring 1 total touchdown in his junior season.[1] As a senior, Hall rushed for 2 yards and 0 touchdowns and was again named first team All-Metro and first team All-State and was named the Wichita Metro Player of the Year for some weird reason.

 

:lmao:

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18 hours ago, BigAl21 said:

Using this years rookie class as a comp for future draft class’ success is a recipe for disaster IMO. Look at picks 9-12 consensus in the 2019 draft and understand this class might be the outlier more than the norm. Still some solid guys from 9-14 range in 2019 but also some still developing and some that flat out are not good...

Yeah I get that. 2019 was particularly bad and lacking in depth though.
I'm just thoroughly unconvinced by those top 2 running backs.

It seems highly unlikely that the 2022 first rounder I got will be outside the top 5 either. 
Right now I don't need to gamble on players I'm unconvinced by. I should have 2 picks (neither of them my own) in the top 5 in 2022 class which I think looks much better at the top end for running backs.
Gotta stand by your convictions in this game.

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1 hour ago, Wigglytuff's Gruff said:

Yeah I get that. 2019 was particularly bad and lacking in depth though.
I'm just thoroughly unconvinced by those top 2 running backs.

It seems highly unlikely that the 2022 first rounder I got will be outside the top 5 either. 
Right now I don't need to gamble on players I'm unconvinced by. I should have 2 picks (neither of them my own) in the top 5 in 2022 class which I think looks much better at the top end for running backs.
Gotta stand by your convictions in this game.

Why not draft one of the elite WRs this year and trade him? Or trade the pick for a back already in the league? 

Seems like a big assumption that the 2022 will be early. And while there will be good players later in the 2021 draft, there are REALLY good players at the top - so you're running the risk of losing out on value there.

I've just find out (often the hard way) it's better to just draft the best player even if you don't "need" him. Someone else will want him.

Chase/Waddle/Smith will all be desirable assets that someone will want to acquire.

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20 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Why not draft one of the elite WRs this year and trade him? Or trade the pick for a back already in the league? 

Seems like a big assumption that the 2022 will be early. And while there will be good players later in the 2021 draft, there are REALLY good players at the top - so you're running the risk of losing out on value there.

I've just find out (often the hard way) it's better to just draft the best player even if you don't "need" him. Someone else will want him.

Chase/Waddle/Smith will all be desirable assets that someone will want to acquire.

I disagree with this. Any time I've ever take a player with the intention of trading him has backfired. Good teams make the right picks at the top of the draft but great teams trade back and acquire more value, then use their later picks wisely. Last year, depending on the level of love players were getting in your league, you could've picked Metcalf, Deebo, AJB, Hock, or Fant in that late 1st range. The year before that it could've been DJ Moore, Sutton, Ridley or Lamar. Yes there are land mines back there but if you trust yourself to make the right picks, moving back and acquiring more value is the right move.

That said, totally would've held the 1.02 until closer to the draft. This trade or one similar could easily have been done 4-5 months from now. Someone always falls in love with the new hotness at the top

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28 minutes ago, gabes1919 said:

I disagree with this. Any time I've ever take a player with the intention of trading him has backfired. Good teams make the right picks at the top of the draft but great teams trade back and acquire more value, then use their later picks wisely. Last year, depending on the level of love players were getting in your league, you could've picked Metcalf, Deebo, AJB, Hock, or Fant in that late 1st range. The year before that it could've been DJ Moore, Sutton, Ridley or Lamar. Yes there are land mines back there but if you trust yourself to make the right picks, moving back and acquiring more value is the right move.

But even if you can't trade the specific guy you drafted, it gives you a surplus at the position (I'm talking about whether or not you rule draft a guy in a position you're "set" at). Trade someone else. 

My general points were that drafting for need versus talent doesn't work (for me) and targeting specific guys two drafts from now is really risky.

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That said, totally would've held the 1.02 until closer to the draft. This trade or one similar could easily have been done 4-5 months from now. Someone always falls in love with the new hotness at the top

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41 minutes ago, gabes1919 said:

That said, totally would've held the 1.02 until closer to the draft. This trade or one similar could easily have been done 4-5 months from now. Someone always falls in love with the new hotness at the top

This I could have done perhaps. Dude I traded with seems like he wants to make moves now though, that opportunity to do this may not have been there in a few months time.

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23 minutes ago, Wigglytuff's Gruff said:

This I could have done perhaps. Dude I traded with seems like he wants to make moves now though, that opportunity to do this may not have been there in a few months time.

Well sometimes you do need to strike when the iron's hot. Here's to it working out for you! :suds:

 

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12 team non-ppr, 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1F

Gave Jalen Hurts

Got Latavius Murray, 2022 3rd

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I'm the 1 seed, he's the 3 seed heading into the playoffs. His only QBs prior to the trade were Wentz and Carr. I drafted Hurts in the 4th, and have Mahomes, Tannehill, and Teddy B, so he was expendable. Murray gives me another RB option w/J.Robinson, Elliott, M.Davis, Henderson, and Gurley. With McCaffrey coming back and Gurley predictably falling off, I needed another RB. Also, trade partner has Kamara, so this takes a little insurance from him.

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Zealots non-ppr IDP

Gave: McLaurin, Eric Wilson, Malcolm Butler

Got: Swift, Ashtyn Davis

If you don't play IDP, it's really McLaurin for Swift. 

Starting over with this team - I have picks 1, 8, 10, 12, 13, 14 to start with and 13 total over six rounds. Don't know that I like the RBs that'll come out next year - the WRs, however, I do. 

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24 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Zealots non-ppr IDP

Gave: McLaurin, Eric Wilson, Malcolm Butler

Got: Swift, Ashtyn Davis

If you don't play IDP, it's really McLaurin for Swift. 

Starting over with this team - I have picks 1, 8, 10, 12, 13, 14 to start with and 13 total over six rounds. Don't know that I like the RBs that'll come out next year - the WRs, however, I do. 

Swift in Non-PPR and not particularly close IMO.

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These were made before last week's trade deadline. Playoff team.

12 Tm PPR - Q/RR/WWW/T/F - 4 pt passing TDs

Gave: Late 1st, late 3rd, Perine
Got: Burrow, Landry

Gave: Miles Sanders, Burrow
Got: Ekeler, Josh Allen, Antonio Brown

Gave: Landry, Antonio Brown, Ertz, Gronk, LAR - DST
Got: Kupp and some junk

Overall
Gave: Sanders, Late 1st, Ertz, Gronk, Late 3rd, Perine, LAR - DST
Got: Ekeler, Allen, Kupp

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4 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I love me some Jefferson but that does seem like a steep price.

I think Jefferson is commanding about that right now. That's too steep of an investment for me in one player. I just have decided to stay away from those guys and wave good luck to their GMs. I mean, that's something else from his ADP, which was probably 1.08/1.09 this year. 

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21 man roster,ppr, 1/2/3/1/2f (pk,dt) (DFWC)

Dominant team last yr won it all, this yrs roster: mahomes,barkley,cmc,conner,hunt,m.davis,cooper,arob,godwin,diggs,cooks,t.higgins,lazard,kittle,goedert

Injuries hurt this yr but still managed to cash with high points 2nd seed

Going for it this yr trades last week before deadline

Hunt & Cooper for Henry, 2.5, 4th & waiver fodder Agholar

Kittle for Hockenson

Felt I needed the help at rb & te in order to have realistic shot. I know I under sold but thought they made sense for the playoffs and don't hurt me too too much long term (i really like Hockenson long term and hopefully he can help me now). 

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4 hours ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I love me some Jefferson but that does seem like a steep price.

 

4 hours ago, rockaction said:

I think Jefferson is commanding about that right now. That's too steep of an investment for me in one player. I just have decided to stay away from those guys and wave good luck to their GMs. I mean, that's something else from his ADP, which was probably 1.08/1.09 this year. 

I see the counter argument, but I like it for the new Jefferson owner. 

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23 minutes ago, Concept Coop said:

I see the counter argument, but I like it for the new Jefferson owner. 

I think he got fair value, but I'm noticing that a lot of decisions are based on how many guys your league starts on offense. We start nine, including at least 1 RB, 1TE and 1 QB, 1 RB/TE, 2 WR, 3 FLEX and 9 IDP guys so that leaves a lot of roster spoken for with all those picks going for one guy. To win in that deep of a league, he's got to be totally worth it or your team that close to the cusp of greatness to swing a deal like that. 

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4 hours ago, NE_REVIVAL said:

21 man roster,ppr, 1/2/3/1/2f (pk,dt) (DFWC)

Dominant team last yr won it all, this yrs roster: mahomes,barkley,cmc,conner,hunt,m.davis,cooper,arob,godwin,diggs,cooks,t.higgins,lazard,kittle,goedert

Injuries hurt this yr but still managed to cash with high points 2nd seed

Going for it this yr trades last week before deadline

Hunt & Cooper for Henry, 2.5, 4th & waiver fodder Agholar

Kittle for Hockenson

Felt I needed the help at rb & te in order to have realistic shot. I know I under sold but thought they made sense for the playoffs and don't hurt me too too much long term (i really like Hockenson long term and hopefully he can help me now). 

Love giving Hunt & Cooper for Henry, & I understand giving Kittle for Hockenson.

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Deshaun Watson for late 1st

Dude has no qb, and by that I mean he was having to start Mike Glennon in his playoff match-up. I send him an offer of Wilson for his 1st + Darnell Mooney, which my league-mate foiled up by giving away Watson. Lunacy. Guy with one of the strongest teams just gets stronger. Is every league like this?

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1 minute ago, cloppbeast said:

Deshaun Watson for late 1st

Dude has no qb, and by that I mean he was having to start Mike Glennon in his playoff match-up. I send him an offer of Wilson for his 1st + Darnell Mooney, which my league-mate foiled up by giving away Watson. Lunacy. Guy with one of the strongest teams just gets stronger. Is every league like this?

Well it appears you were about to strengthen one of the strongest teams yourself but someone beat you to it. Not sure how that’s lunacy- maybe jealousy?

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2 hours ago, cloppbeast said:

Well except my deal wasn't below market value.

Your deal was his one plus Darnell Mooney. So that's only an addition of Darnell Mooney to the other guy's offer. That's hardly the blockbuster name that puts it a market value all of a sudden. IMO.

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