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No, they won't accept

You mean it went down in a league you used to be in??  I’d go ful Vontae Davis on that league asap 

Barkley on this one, it isn't that close

2 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

At least you're in a league where people realize how good Chubb really is.

refreshing, isn't it? we're all either bills or browns fans for the most part, or at least all 10 of us appreciate both teams... chubb is probably the hottest RB commodity in our league. everyone wanted him

Just now, menobrown said:

This must be some local Cleveland league.

see above. we just almost all watch browns games and my love for him well documented

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2 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

Probably not the best time to trade Zeke, but I've been wanting to move him for a while in a PPR dynasty league. Thoughts?

Gave: Zeke and JuJu

Got: Akers 

I was very deep at WR (Godwin, McLaurin, Evans, Diontae Johnson, Pittman, Crowder, Campbell) and felt I could afford to give up a WR to get a RB I like better. Did I sell too cheap or fair value? 

I would take Akers over Zeke as best player in the deal, and kind of easily.

Saying that value was not on your side here even if you were dealing from position of strength and could afford to view JuJu as disposable. I'd have probably made the guy at least throw me back a decent second, then I think value would have been close.

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4 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

 

. we just almost all watch browns games and my love for him well documented

Then unless you are a professional fantasy player and the goal for fantasy football is for it to enhance your experience when watching games you won.

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1 minute ago, menobrown said:

Then unless you are a professional fantasy player and the goal for fantasy football is for it to enhance your experience when watching games you won.

Not sure I understand what you're saying... But barring injury, he's much liklier to win this season w Chubb than he is w Jacobs and 1.03, and he's already a strong contender. He wants to go ove the top for the W. and he did it

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2 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

Not sure I understand what you're saying... But barring injury, he's much liklier to win this season w Chubb than he is w Jacobs and 1.03, and he's already a strong contender. He wants to go ove the top for the W. and he did it

No way for you to know that. We don't know who he gets at 1.03 & how that player will do in his 1st year...

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This just went down in FFPC league, not SF, and also not involved:

 

Team A gave: Mark Andrews, 1.7, 2.7, 2022#1 projected late(league champ last year), 2022#3 also projected late

Team B gave: 1.3, 2.3,2.4, 3.6, 2022#1 that's hard to predict,  and a 2022#3 that projects high.

Put another way a bump from 7 to 3, 2.3 and 2.4 plus better odds at improved first and third round picks in 2022 for Mark Andrews and 2.7.

I'm solidly on team A's side.

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4 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

Not sure I understand what you're saying... But barring injury, he's much liklier to win this season w Chubb than he is w Jacobs and 1.03, and he's already a strong contender. He wants to go ove the top for the W. and he did it

I'm sideways, you gave up Chubb did not get him. I was trying to be nice and say you lost value but will enjoy rooting for your team more but none of that applies, quite the opposite.

I do not agree Chubb over Jacobs and 1.3  made that team better equipped to win it next year.

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44 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

Probably not the best time to trade Zeke, but I've been wanting to move him for a while in a PPR dynasty league. Thoughts?

Gave: Zeke and JuJu

Got: Akers 

I was very deep at WR (Godwin, McLaurin, Evans, Diontae Johnson, Pittman, Crowder, Campbell) and felt I could afford to give up a WR to get a RB I like better. Did I sell too cheap or fair value? 

This is the epitome of a “better a year early, than a year too late” kind of deal. I like the gamble. 

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3 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

Probably not the best time to trade Zeke, but I've been wanting to move him for a while in a PPR dynasty league. Thoughts?

Gave: Zeke and JuJu

Got: Akers 

I was very deep at WR (Godwin, McLaurin, Evans, Diontae Johnson, Pittman, Crowder, Campbell) and felt I could afford to give up a WR to get a RB I like better. Did I sell too cheap or fair value? 

Necessary overpay, maybe? Depends on how Zeke is valued in your league. Getting Akers is huge.

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1 hour ago, Soulfly3 said:

10 man PPR

Gave: (and it broke my damn heart) Nick Chubb + 2022 2nd rounder

Got: 2021 1.03 + Joshua Jacobs + 2022 1st (will be late, if not 1.10)

He's a serious serious contender, I'm middle of the road trying to get better. 

that's a heck of a return though

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3 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

Probably not the best time to trade Zeke, but I've been wanting to move him for a while in a PPR dynasty league. Thoughts?

Gave: Zeke and JuJu

Got: Akers 

I was very deep at WR (Godwin, McLaurin, Evans, Diontae Johnson, Pittman, Crowder, Campbell) and felt I could afford to give up a WR to get a RB I like better. Did I sell too cheap or fair value? 

I don’t absolutely hate this, but I have to believe you could’ve got him to throw in a little more. At least like a 2nd or a couple 3rds. 

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12 team SF PPR

Gave Chase Claypool and Darnell Mooney

Got Amari Cooper

I like Claypool as a Steeler fan but this feels like a solid return to me for two guys I got in round 3 and 4 of the rookie draft last year.

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3 hours ago, JoeJoe88 said:

I don’t absolutely hate this, but I have to believe you could’ve got him to throw in a little more. At least like a 2nd or a couple 3rds. 

I do absolutely hate this.  Maybe it's just me as a scorned D. Henderson owner, but I'm not on the Akers hype train.  Yes I do think he'll get the volume next year.  However I don't think he's a special back.  And I can't believe Zeke could average over 20 ppg last year and suddenly turn to a washed up back at the exact same time Dak got injured.  That would be quite the coincidence. 

 

And if I'm wrong on both of those viewpoints, I still think they're close enough that Juju steals the deal.

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8 hours ago, frae said:

12 team SF PPR

Gave Chase Claypool and Darnell Mooney

Got Amari Cooper

I like Claypool as a Steeler fan but this feels like a solid return to me for two guys I got in round 3 and 4 of the rookie draft last year.

I prefer Claypool and Mooney here. To the point I'd happily trade away Cooper for this return in the dynasty league I own him (and I've shopped him for a while with no takers) 

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8 hours ago, frae said:

12 team SF PPR

Gave Chase Claypool and Darnell Mooney

Got Amari Cooper

I like Claypool as a Steeler fan but this feels like a solid return to me for two guys I got in round 3 and 4 of the rookie draft last year.

If I am dealing Claypool I am aiming higher than Cooper...Cooper is a quality player but it feels like we know what he is right now and it's not gonna get higher...Claypool had an excellent rookie year as a third option and there's a good chance juju is moving elsewhere...the kid is kind of a physical freak and this deal is one you could really regret...as for Mooney he is far more than a throw-in...he had a very nice rookie year and while the Chicago QB situation seems eternally dicey he looks to be in a position to improve on last year's stats...overall, I love this deal for the Claypool/Mooney side...not an awful deal getting Cooper but I really don't see what is accomplished by giving away these two young assets and as I said I would be aiming much higher if I am including Claypool in any deal.

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15 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

Probably not the best time to trade Zeke, but I've been wanting to move him for a while in a PPR dynasty league. Thoughts?

Gave: Zeke and JuJu

Got: Akers 

I was very deep at WR (Godwin, McLaurin, Evans, Diontae Johnson, Pittman, Crowder, Campbell) and felt I could afford to give up a WR to get a RB I like better. Did I sell too cheap or fair value? 

I’m probably in the minority, but give me Akers here. I think Zeke is on the downside, I’m not a believer in Juju, and I love Akers. I think Akers will be drafted in the first half of round 1 in redrafts in 2022.

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16 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

Probably not the best time to trade Zeke, but I've been wanting to move him for a while in a PPR dynasty league. Thoughts?

Gave: Zeke and JuJu

Got: Akers 

I was very deep at WR (Godwin, McLaurin, Evans, Diontae Johnson, Pittman, Crowder, Campbell) and felt I could afford to give up a WR to get a RB I like better. Did I sell too cheap or fair value? 

This is hard. I like Akers a lot here but I do think you overpaid. It is entirely possible if not likely, however, that the fantasy gods will never punish you for it and that the worst you have to suffer for it is just hearing people talk #### about it. In the end if you think Akers >> Zeke (and many of us do), then it is probably worth it. But I love Juju (he is younger than McLaurin BTW) and I have zero doubts that the trading partner held a firm line on giving more than this. I would have wanted a 2nd back and would have added whatever scrub I could do get it done. But I mean, buying top RBs isn't supposed to be cheap nor easy. And it typically comes with some kind of premium, so I don't think this is out of bounds or anything. I would have to think real hard if I were the one moving Akers here, it isn't a slam dunk just because there may be value on the other side.

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10 hours ago, frae said:

12 team SF PPR

Gave Chase Claypool and Darnell Mooney

Got Amari Cooper

I like Claypool as a Steeler fan but this feels like a solid return to me for two guys I got in round 3 and 4 of the rookie draft last year.

I'm a big cooper fan/believer.

In an absolute dog poo year, w QB play that was on par w the fan run league, he narrowly missed out of being an WR1 (finished as #14 overall in PPR. 

I really like claypool, but we're comapring apples to oranges. Cooper is a magician route runner than can get open at will. And w Dak likely returning, his numbers should improve, even w Lamb.

Cooper is exactly like Allen Robinson in fantasy. criminally undervalued.

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10 hours ago, frae said:

12 team SF PPR

Gave Chase Claypool and Darnell Mooney

Got Amari Cooper

I like Claypool as a Steeler fan but this feels like a solid return to me for two guys I got in round 3 and 4 of the rookie draft last year.

If you're a Cooper fan then it's not a bad deal. I think Claypool and Cooper are equal in production and market value right now. But not age. Claypool has more upside than Cooper as well, IMO. Mooney is a great sleeper this year and can be had cheap. My preference might be to move Mooney for draft capital and keep Claypool. I'm trying to buy Mooney right now and not having much luck. If the Bears make a play for Wilson (not holding my breath) or some other QB that is decent (this is the Bears I'm talking about) then Mooney's price will only go up. If ARob leaves his price will go up. That last one may already be baked into Mooney's price since I think everyone considers it a foregone conclusion. I'm not so sure.

Anyway if you're a Cooper fan none of that matters because you got your guy and that is great. On paper it is close enough to even. This is a slam your keyboard (mouse?) trade for me if I'm shipping Cooper though.

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I see the argument for Claypool, but Cooper has what 4 top 24 seasons at WR already and is only 26, for me I was buying stability.  I get that Claypool was about WR 23 in PPR this year I think and Cooper was 15 with a lot of bad qb play after Dak.  The upside and years might be on the side of Claypool but I think I can bank on 3 more top 24 years from Cooper and I have a window to win now so I like the stability, but I appreciate hearing the other side.  

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27 minutes ago, frae said:

I see the argument for Claypool, but Cooper has what 4 top 24 seasons at WR already and is only 26, for me I was buying stability.  I get that Claypool was about WR 23 in PPR this year I think and Cooper was 15 with a lot of bad qb play after Dak.  The upside and years might be on the side of Claypool but I think I can bank on 3 more top 24 years from Cooper and I have a window to win now so I like the stability, but I appreciate hearing the other side.  

But remember Tomlin admitted to pulling him back, cutting his minutes later in the year as he was worried about the rookie wall. Now add in the likelihood that JuJu is gone and you've got a player blasting into orbit when you pair his talent with opportunity...

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1 minute ago, ffmail4me said:

But remember Tomlin admitted to pulling him back, cutting his minutes later in the year as he was worried about the rookie wall. Now add in the likelihood that JuJu is gone and you've got a player blasting into orbit when you pair his talent with opportunity...

That is all possible but Johnson and Washington are still going to be back and if it is Ben again he has not shown that he still has the down field throwing skill that would help Claypool.  I love claypool for the Steelers because he is a unique talent, but Cooper has shown the ability to do this over years and with Chase we are banking on him doing more than we have seen  I didn't think it was a slam dunk win for me, but I like what Cooper does for my team.

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4 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

chubb is the best rb in the nfl

Even if that was true, this is a fantasy football thread. Jacobs is just as productive (albeit not as talented) and that guy added 2 first round picks. That was a ridiculous overpay.

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30 minutes ago, frae said:

I see the argument for Claypool, but Cooper has what 4 top 24 seasons at WR already and is only 26, for me I was buying stability.  I get that Claypool was about WR 23 in PPR this year I think and Cooper was 15 with a lot of bad qb play after Dak.  The upside and years might be on the side of Claypool but I think I can bank on 3 more top 24 years from Cooper and I have a window to win now so I like the stability, but I appreciate hearing the other side.  

I like the Cooper side (and no im not a huge Cooper fan) and would like it a lot if I knew roster size was more shallow than deep.   

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Just now, frae said:

That is all possible but Johnson and Washington are still going to be back and if it is Ben again he has not shown that he still has the down field throwing skill that would help Claypool.  I love claypool for the Steelers because he is a unique talent, but Cooper has shown the ability to do this over years and with Chase we are banking on him doing more than we have seen  I didn't think it was a slam dunk win for me, but I like what Cooper does for my team.

I wrote this somewhere (could be this thread) but Cooper has a very bad habit of laying complete eggs during fantasy playoff time (weeks 14-16)...checkout his game-logs for those weeks over the years:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CoopAm00.htm

 

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I'll take Mooney and Claypool, but I really, really like Claypool. You got what you wanted in Cooper, and people in these threads always value youth and picks over current production, and valuing current production is something wiser fantasy owners than I do. So you got your guy. Drink up and celebrate!

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2 minutes ago, Boston said:

I wrote this somewhere (could be this thread) but Cooper has a very bad habit of laying complete eggs during fantasy playoff time (weeks 14-16)...checkout his game-logs for those weeks over the years:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CoopAm00.htm

 

So he chokes under the pressure?

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26 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Even if that was true, this is a fantasy football thread. Jacobs is just as productive (albeit not as talented) and that guy added 2 first round picks. That was a ridiculous overpay.

Debatable. Jacobs produced in 15 games what Chubb produced in 12...this year anyway.

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2 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Debatable. Jacobs produced in 15 games what Chubb produced in 12...this year anyway.

jacobs finished w 20pts more in PPR, playing 3.5 games more than Chubb 

(190 carries for chubb v 273 for Jacobs) 

The difference is bigger than ppl think

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18 hours ago, menobrown said:

This just went down in FFPC league, not SF, and also not involved:

 

Team A gave: Mark Andrews, 1.7, 2.7, 2022#1 projected late(league champ last year), 2022#3 also projected late

Team B gave: 1.3, 2.3,2.4, 3.6, 2022#1 that's hard to predict,  and a 2022#3 that projects high.

Put another way a bump from 7 to 3, 2.3 and 2.4 plus better odds at improved first and third round picks in 2022 for Mark Andrews and 2.7.

I'm solidly on team A's side.

Team A wins this and IMO it’s not close. 

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23 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

jacobs finished w 20pts more in PPR, playing 3.5 games more than Chubb 

That’s “just as productive” isn’t it? I mean that’s a negligible difference.

Odd stance going on here - but in ppr fantasy football Chubb and Jacobs are close enough where getting the 1.03 and another first in the deal is a ridiculous overpay.

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18 hours ago, Edgar said:

This is the epitome of a “better a year early, than a year too late” kind of deal. I like the gamble. 

The Zeke owner was pushing to sell him to me last year. 

I may fire a shot at acquiring him since his perceived value is the lowest I’ve ever seen.

i see no reason he wouldn’t bounce back to a high level of play. His coach may prevent him from regaining top 3 status, but that doesn’t mean he’s not a good buy-low right now as a plug & play low-end RB1/high-end RB2. 

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On 2/26/2021 at 10:17 AM, JoeJoe88 said:

It’s a gamble, but I like the move for the guy getting Hurts. I would be very surprised if Philly drafted a QB, and the 1.05 could be a small price to pay for Hurts nine months from now. 

Guess it depends on the format, but Hurts would have to do exceptionally well to be worth the 1.05, never mind that being a bargain.

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5 minutes ago, DropKick said:

Guess it depends on the format, but Hurts would have to do exceptionally well to be worth the 1.05, never mind that being a bargain.

Small sample size sure, but he averaged around 27 points per game in a three-game stretch last year. So yes, in 2QB or SF(which that trade was) you better believe that’s a bargain for a 22 year old player. 

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2 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

Small sample size sure, but he averaged around 27 points per game in a three-game stretch last year. So yes, in 2QB or SF(which that trade was) you better believe that’s a bargain for a 22 year old player. 

Where do you see Lawrence going in rookie drafts in those formats?

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1 hour ago, Dr. Octopus said:

That’s “just as productive” isn’t it? I mean that’s a negligible difference.

Odd stance going on here - but in ppr fantasy football Chubb and Jacobs are close enough where getting the 1.03 and another first in the deal is a ridiculous overpay.

Yes, that is correct. I was just debating what I bolded - that Jacobs is as productive as Chubb. He's not. 

But I would take the Jacobs side of the actual trade because you're right, it was a big overpay.

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13 hours ago, frae said:

12 team SF PPR

Gave Chase Claypool and Darnell Mooney

Got Amari Cooper

I like Claypool as a Steeler fan but this feels like a solid return to me for two guys I got in round 3 and 4 of the rookie draft last year.

I feel like I bang the Cooper is underrated drum a lot but I'd still take Claypool side on this one and that opinion is more pro-Claypool in nature then anti-Amari.

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2 hours ago, Soulfly3 said:

chubb is the best rb in the nfl

Unless Kareem Hunt had a foot amputated in the offseason that’s kind of irrelevant to FF. Hunt’s presence/productivity will put a cap on Chubb’s value as long as Hunt is splitting carries. 

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3 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I feel like I bang the Cooper is underrated drum a lot but I'd still take Claypool side on this one and that opinion is more pro-Claypool in nature then anti-Amari.

I’m with this take 100%

I like cooper. I prefer the claypool side of the deal. 

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8 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Unless Kareem Hunt had a foot amputated in the offseason that’s kind of irrelevant to FF. Hunt’s presence/productivity will put a cap on Chubb’s value as long as Hunt is splitting carries. 

I disagree with this too. As it was, Chubb was still 10th in RB PPR scoring and that's with missing 4.5 games. Had he played those games at an average level for the year, he likely would have been top 5.

Hunt doesn't cap Chubbs output. Hunt just has unusually high #2 back production. 

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14 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

I disagree with this too. As it was, Chubb was still 10th in RB PPR scoring and that's with missing 4.5 games. Had he played those games at an average level for the year, he likely would have been top 5.

Hunt doesn't cap Chubbs output. Hunt just has unusually high #2 back production. 

I think he caps it...a bit. As in, I’m not sure I ever see Chubb hitting top 3 as long as Kareem is there, when I believe he has RB1 overall potential easily. I think Chubb might be the most talented back in the entire league. But Kareem is pretty darn good in his own right, and takes just enough away from Chubb with targets and red zone opportunities I think it does cap what could be absolutely monstrous seasons for Chubb. 

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